Toggle sidebar

Speculation: 2020-21 News/Rumors/Roster Thread Part IV

  • Work is still on-going to rebuild the site styling and features. Please report any issues you may experience so we can look into it. Click Here for Updates
Status
Not open for further replies.
I still think the Kings should have brought Kyle Clifford back. You don’t know what you’ve got until it’s gone, as they say.
 
  • Like
Reactions: KingTech
lumbergh said:
I still think the Kings should have brought Kyle Clifford back. You don’t know what you’ve got until it’s gone, as they say.
Click to expand...

I like the guy and all, but his skillset was totally replaceable and we needed the roster spot to develop the kids. It was time to close the book. I think the desire for more size and toughness is overblown, the league is vastly moving towards speed and skill. If they needed toughness, it would be fast and cheap to correct and add if they need it in the future. Right now, they are primarily concerned with player development and working on the system, and getting everyone on the same page.
 
  • Like
Reactions: dick341, go4hockey, Steve Zissou and 4 others
lumbergh said:
I still think the Kings should have brought Kyle Clifford back. You don’t know what you’ve got until it’s gone, as they say.
Click to expand...

We've called the team soft for years now. Clifford never changed that. It was his time to go, and not look back. Same with everyone from the Cup teams that could be moved. Put MacD in if things are a problem. Go sign another fighter. Whatever, just don't bring guys back.

After next year, even if Brown and Carter each get 50 goals in 21-22, they should not be brought back.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Herby, Steve Zissou, funky and 1 other person
Johnny Utah said:
Wagner and AA both have an edge and can scrap if needed. But it’s obvious in two games this year vs Minny when MacD isn’t playing Foligno, Greenway, Fiala, and Dumba run around.
Click to expand...

Agreed, it's very apparent when Mac is playing vs. Minnesota this year.

I also agree with others saying it's more about team toughness than individual nuclear weapons, but my god, just give me ANYONE with even 1/10th of the balls of Jarome Iginla.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Reaper45, Papa Mocha 15, funky and 1 other person
I would like a guy like glendening in our bottom six. Brings a little grit and physicality. Not overly physical but might stick up for his teammates.
 
KingTech said:
Wagner or luff Clifford can play right side if he has to.
Click to expand...
Why would we play Clifford on the right when we got right wingers to play there? What does he actually bring that requires us to sacrifice another younger player? We're not short on veterans. I don't get this boner people have for Clifford. He wasn't even a good fighter and only got concussions.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Herby and ibleedkings
kingsholygrail said:
Why would we play Clifford on the right when we got right wingers to play there? What does he actually bring that requires us to sacrifice another younger player? We're not short on veterans. I don't get this boner people have for Clifford. He wasn't even a good fighter and only got concussions.
Click to expand...
He would stand up for his teammates none of the current kings kids will do that. We are getting pushed around and cheap shoted
 
KingTech said:
He would stand up for his teammates none of the current kings kids will do that. We are getting pushed around and cheap shoted
Click to expand...
Point is it takes more than one guy. In the golden years Clifford was supported by Greene, Regher, Mitchell, Richards... Even guys like Williams, King, and Martinez would get in people’s faces.

edit: forgot Fraser
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Steve Zissou, funky, kingsholygrail and 1 other person
Just looking at the roster--

For the forwards: Kempe will, Wagner will. Vilardi wasn't shy before, too, and think he'll grow into it a bit. Grundstrom, Lizotte, Moore, JAD will stick their nose in there but they won't do more than that. The rest? lol.
For the D: MacD will. I think Roy would, but he's been kind of a kittycat since the injury. Walker would, but obviously same right now.

A lot of the kids might as they grow into it, as we've seen Anderson, Bjornfot, et. al. get chippier at other levels.

So yeah team toughness has to be a major concern. Turcotte will end his own career helping a teammate imo. But Byfield is too cautious. And all of the other kids are lighter, skilled players that won't. So gotta keep one eye on the present AND the future with regards to that.

And I'm not even asking guys to drop the gloves every game. Just at least get your mitts on a dude when he plows Roy. Yank Foligno out of the pile. Clear the f***ing crease. Up the emotional engagement.
 
  • Like
Reactions: crassbonanza and Bandit
Raccoon Jesus said:
Just looking at the roster--

For the forwards: Kempe will, Wagner will. Vilardi wasn't shy before, too, and think he'll grow into it a bit. Grundstrom, Lizotte, Moore, JAD will stick their nose in there but they won't do more than that. The rest? lol.
For the D: MacD will. I think Roy would, but he's been kind of a kittycat since the injury. Walker would, but obviously same right now.

A lot of the kids might as they grow into it, as we've seen Anderson, Bjornfot, et. al. get chippier at other levels.

So yeah team toughness has to be a major concern. Turcotte will end his own career helping a teammate imo. But Byfield is too cautious. And all of the other kids are lighter, skilled players that won't. So gotta keep one eye on the present AND the future with regards to that.

And I'm not even asking guys to drop the gloves every game. Just at least get your mitts on a dude when he plows Roy. Yank Foligno out of the pile. Clear the f***ing crease. Up the emotional engagement.
Click to expand...

This team needs a couple Sean O’Donnell types to show the kids how to go to bat for one another. I wouldn’t have hated bringing Clifford back, but it’s gotta be more than one guy.
 
Bandit said:
Point is it takes more than one guy. In the golden years Clifford was supported by Greene, Regher, Mitchell, Richards... Even guys like Williams, King, and Martinez would get in people’s faces.

edit: forgot Fraser
Click to expand...
They need a leader to support and we have none imo. Its time fans make up there mind on what kinda team they want imo. A super skilled team ( which we have been drafting with the best player available directive) or a character team with tough to play against less skilled players. It takes one to start standing up and others will follow imo. I just find it ironic all the cries for physical response are coming from the ones who didnt want anything to do with them types when they were here. Its a huge case of the grass isn't greener on this side of the fence
 
KingsFan7824 said:
We've called the team soft for years now. Clifford never changed that. It was his time to go, and not look back. Same with everyone from the Cup teams that could be moved. Put MacD in if things are a problem. Go sign another fighter. Whatever, just don't bring guys back.

After next year, even if Brown and Carter each get 50 goals in 21-22, they should not be brought back.
Click to expand...
Disagree on Brown.
 
  • Like
Reactions: go4hockey and Telos
KingTech said:
They need a leader to support and we have none imo. Its time fans make up there mind on what kinda team they want imo. A super skilled team ( which we have been drafting with the best player available directive) or a character team with tough to play against less skilled players. It takes one to start standing up and others will follow imo. I just find it ironic all the cries for physical response are coming from the ones who didnt want anything to do with them types when they were here. Its a huge case of the grass isn't greener on this side of the fence
Click to expand...
They need both and we should be glad they drafted skill guys that they can build around with toughness and grit. Clifford didnt stop anyone from doing anything the last couple years. When you watched the st louis games did you say to yourself wow clifford will take someones head off if they run kyrou. I didnt. I didnt notice him much to be honest. Probably why toronto let him go after giving up assets for him also.
If the kings want that element on their roster they can trade for it or try to get a young upcoming version of clifford through the draft.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Chazz Reinhold
Bandit said:
This team needs a couple Sean O’Donnell types to show the kids how to go to bat for one another. I wouldn’t have hated bringing Clifford back, but it’s gotta be more than one guy.
Click to expand...
For example, in 2008-09 (Dougthy's first season) the Kings had the following on the roster:

Matt Greene - 82 games played
Sean O'Donnell - 82 games played
Denis Gauthier - 65 games played
Raitis Ivanans - 76 games played

That's a lot of games played by some pretty tough customers.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Reaper45, Bandit and Raccoon Jesus
Status
Not open for further replies.

Latest posts

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad

Top Bottom