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Speculation: 2020-21 News/Rumors/Roster Thread Part IV

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kilowatt said:
I finally found an actual source for what consitutes a professional: Expansion Draft Eligibility | Puckpedia

Expansion Eligible:
  • If a player has 3 or more years of professional experience as of the end of 2020-2021 season, they are expansion eligible.
  • Currently on PuckPedia.com, if a player has 2 or more years of professional experience including 2019-2020, they are listed as expansion Eligible. Partway through the 2020-2021 season, this will be updated to be calculated based on 3 or more professional seasons through 2020-2021.

Professional Experience is defined as:
  • If player was 20 or older as of Dec 31 of a season, any season with 10+ NHL, AHL, or ECHL GP counts as a year of Professional Experience
  • If player was less than 20 as of Dec 31 of a season, any season with 10+ NHL GP counts as a year of Professional Experience

This explains why players like Strand and Clague are eligible regardless of games played in the NHL over the past two seasons. Hope this clears up some confusion.
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If that is true then the rules are different from the Vegas expansion draft. In that one professional experience only counted if it was on an NHL contract.
 
Here’s the list of names the Kings protected & exposed in 2017:

Los Angeles Kings

Protected players
Jeff Carter (F)
Anze Kopitar (F)
Tanner Pearson (F)
Tyler Toffoli (F)
Drew Doughty (D)
Derek Forbort (D)
Alec Martinez (D)
Jake Muzzin (D)
Jonathan Quick (G)

Available players
Andy Andreoff (F)
Justin Auger (F)
Dustin Brown (F)
Kyle Clifford (F)
Andrew Crescenzi (F)
Nic Dowd (F)
Marian Gaborik (F)
Jarome Iginla (F)
Trevor Lewis (F)
Michael Mersch (F)
Jordan Nolan (F)
Teddy Purcell (F)
Devin Setoguchi (F)
Nick Shore (F)
Matt Greene (D)
Vincent Loverde (D)
Brayden McNabb (D)
Cameron Schilling (D)
Rob Scuderi (D)
Zach Trotman (D)
Jack Campbell (G)
Jeff Zatkoff (G)
 
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HookKing said:
If that is true then the rules are different from the Vegas expansion draft. In that one professional experience only counted if it was on an NHL contract.
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It's exactly the same as last time. As the NHL has clearly stated, the rules are the same. That includes 2 years pro experience exempt (NHL, AHL etc) as has been typed here dozens of times before.
 
regulate said:
It's exactly the same as last time. As the NHL has clearly stated, the rules are the same. That includes 2 years pro experience exempt (NHL, AHL etc) as has been typed here dozens of times before.
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Nope. Gravel did not need protection last time because his first year as a pro was on an AHL contract (which didn't count at the time).
 
HookKing said:
If that is true then the rules are different from the Vegas expansion draft. In that one professional experience only counted if it was on an NHL contract.
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I tried my best to find an example and I think I found one. Jacob De La Rose was drafted in 2013 (but played in Sweden in 2013-14). In 2014-15, he spent 37 games in the AHL and 33 games in the NHL. In 2015-16, he spent 34 games in the AHL and 22 games in the NHL. Then in 2016-17, he spent 62 games in the AHL but only 9 games in the NHL. Therefore, he had 10+ games in the NHL in his first two years, and 10+ games in the AHL in his final year, to lead him to being expansion eligible.

Justin Auger is another example from LA. He was drafted in 2013 as an overager and played his last season in Guelph in 2013-14. He then played 60+ games in the AHL in 2014-15, 2015-16, and 2016-17. Because he was already 20 on December 31, 2014, each of those three seasons counted as professional experience and he was exposed by LA in the Vegas expansion.

Conversely, Johnny Brodzinski finished out college and had only spent two seasons with Ontario prior to the Vegas expansion and was therefore ineligible. In fact, if we take a look at the Vegas expansion on CapFriendly (Vegas Expansion Draft Simulator - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps), we can see a number of players who were exposed despite not meeting the "minimum requirements" that we've been discussing. From the Kings, Michael Mersch, Justin Auger, Andrew Crescenzi, Rob Scuderi, Zach Trotman, Vincent LoVerde, and Cameron Schilling didn't meet the NHL games played requirements but were still exposed.

Actually, let's take it even further, Vegas selected Teemu Pulkkinen from Arizona despite him having only played 9 NHL games in 2016-17 and 36 games in the NHL in 2015-16, thus not meeting the minimum requirements of 40 games played in the previous season and 70 games played over the previous seasons.

We don't have direct one-to-one comparables for guys like Clague or Strand, but suffice to say I'm 99% certain they're eligible to be selected by Seattle regardless of how many games they play in the NHL this year.
 
HookKing said:
Nope. Gravel did not need protection last time because his first year as a pro was on an AHL contract (which didn't count at the time).
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So I think you found one of the loopholes - the AHL pro experience year only counted if the player was signed to an NHL contract.

Strand signed his entry-level contract in 2017-18 though, so if he plays two more games for LA or Ontario this year, he'll be eligible. He currently has two full seasons of pro experience with Ontario (2018-19 and 2019-20), so unless the plan is to only let him play two more games the rest of the season, he'll be expansion eligible.

Clague is already eligible, having played at 20 years old with Ontario in 2018-19 and 2019-20, plus 11 games in the NHL already this year. Clague is expansion eligible.
 
kilowatt said:
I tried my best to find an example and I think I found one. Jacob De La Rose was drafted in 2013 (but played in Sweden in 2013-14). In 2014-15, he spent 37 games in the AHL and 33 games in the NHL. In 2015-16, he spent 34 games in the AHL and 22 games in the NHL. Then in 2016-17, he spent 62 games in the AHL but only 9 games in the NHL. Therefore, he had 10+ games in the NHL in his first two years, and 10+ games in the AHL in his final year, to lead him to being expansion eligible.

Justin Auger is another example from LA. He was drafted in 2013 as an overager and played his last season in Guelph in 2013-14. He then played 60+ games in the AHL in 2014-15, 2015-16, and 2016-17. Because he was already 20 on December 31, 2014, each of those three seasons counted as professional experience and he was exposed by LA in the Vegas expansion.

Conversely, Johnny Brodzinski finished out college and had only spent two seasons with Ontario prior to the Vegas expansion and was therefore ineligible. In fact, if we take a look at the Vegas expansion on CapFriendly (Vegas Expansion Draft Simulator - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps), we can see a number of players who were exposed despite not meeting the "minimum requirements" that we've been discussing. From the Kings, Michael Mersch, Justin Auger, Andrew Crescenzi, Rob Scuderi, Zach Trotman, Vincent LoVerde, and Cameron Schilling didn't meet the NHL games played requirements but were still exposed.

Actually, let's take it even further, Vegas selected Teemu Pulkkinen from Arizona despite him having only played 9 NHL games in 2016-17 and 36 games in the NHL in 2015-16, thus not meeting the minimum requirements of 40 games played in the previous season and 70 games played over the previous seasons.

We don't have direct one-to-one comparables for guys like Clague or Strand, but suffice to say I'm 99% certain they're eligible to be selected by Seattle regardless of how many games they play in the NHL this year.
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Not sure we're on the same page here. Yes, AHL counts as professional experience provided they've already signed an NHL contract. If they played in the AHL but only on an AHL contract it doesn't count. I doubt if that's changed for this year's draft.
 
HookKing said:
Not sure we're on the same page here. Yes, AHL counts as professional experience provided they've already signed an NHL contract. If they played in the AHL but only on an AHL contract it doesn't count. I doubt if that's changed for this year's draft.
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I agree, I don't think that has changed, but that doesn't apply to any of our players (specifically Clague and Strand).
 
Anyone think Anderson being out might be a case of the tail wags the dog with regards to our play this game and last? Hell, JAD on that line with Moore and Grundstrom had some serious jam too.
 
The Kings really need some size and toughness up front and on the backend...but not so one dimensional ones. Ones that stand up for their teammates...it’s a shame that on the current roster, no one is doing that. MacDermid is not the answer, as he’s not good enough to be a full time
Defender.

I think Cole Hults will be emerging quickly and up by next year. Not saying he’s an answer, but he seems to have that element and one that would stand up for his teammates...see he’s had a major already on the Reign. Was it a fighting major, or a 5 minute boarding type? He had 112 PM in 59 games, his last yr in the USHL, before his 3 yrs at Penn State.

Not saying Hults is an answer, but there needs to be some in the system that can be physical forces, as part of their toolkit....and have it in them, to stand for teammates. It seems like the current team was hoping MacDermid would be there to be that, but that will not be the case, going forward.
 
Peter James Bond III said:
The Kings really need some size and toughness up front and on the backend...but not so one dimensional ones. Ones that stand up for their teammates...it’s a shame that on the current roster, no one is doing that. MacDermid is not the answer, as he’s not good enough to be a full time
Defender.

I think Cole Hults will be emerging quickly and up by next year. Not saying he’s an answer, but he seems to have that element and one that would stand up for his teammates...see he’s had a major already on the Reign. Was it a fighting major, or a 5 minute boarding type? He had 112 PM in 59 games, his last yr in the USHL, before his 3 yrs at Penn State.

Not saying Hults is an answer, but there needs to be some in the system that can be physical forces, as part of their toolkit....and have it in them, to stand for teammates. It seems like the current team was hoping MacDermid would be there to be that, but that will not be the case, going forward.
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I thinks Hults will be coming up sooner than later.

He’a a tougher Mikey Anderson imho.
 
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Hello Kings fans...Avs fan here with a question for you.

I was wondering if Jeff Carter can still play center effectively? I see that he plays on Vilardi's wing.

You guys think that he could play 3C on a SC contender team?
 
Balthazar said:
Hello Kings fans...Avs fan here with a question for you.

I was wondering if Jeff Carter can still play center effectively? I see that he plays on Vilardi's wing.

You guys think that he could play 3C on a SC contender team?
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I think he could and should, I actually don't love him playing wing. I thought I would but he's actually a pretty solid center defensively because of his speed, which I think is mostly wasted on the wing. I'd love to see LA try him at 3C, so I don't see why Colorado couldn't either.
 
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i think he'd be one of the most effective 3Cs in the NHL, tbh i think he could 2C on a lot of teams

his skating seems to be back but his hands have definitely regressed, though not to mike richards levels. still has a pretty wicked shot and is willing to collect junk netfront
 
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I would love to see the kings try Carter is 3C for the foreseeable future. At least until JAD gets back.

Bring Kupari up as a winger on his line. Staple Amadio’s ass to the healthy scratch list
 
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I would be very happy if the Kings could move Carter and give up something else to pry away Graves from Colorado. Colorado is deep on D and Graves would get more opportunity here especially with our need for a LHD.
 
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