Speculation: 2020-21 LA Kings News/Rumors/Roster Discussion Part V

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Then where is the slot for a young kid to make the roster next year?

Kings will need to lose Wagner or Lizotte.


Do they need to 'lose' them?

I'd argue those are the slots for the taking. If a prospect can't beat Wagner, Lizotte, that's not a roster slot problem, that's a player personnel problem.

The only 'safe' players are, imo

Iafallo-Kopitar-Brown
Kempe-Vilardi
(AA)

Doughty-Anderson
Roy

I'd also argue Bjornfot as he has nowhere else really to go and JAD as he's been excellent in his role but thats splitting hairs.
 
Do they need to 'lose' them?

I'd argue those are the slots for the taking. If a prospect can't beat Wagner, Lizotte, that's not a roster slot problem, that's a player personnel problem.

The only 'safe' players are, imo

Iafallo-Kopitar-Brown
Kempe-Vilardi
(AA)

Doughty-Anderson
Roy

I'd also argue Bjornfot as he has nowhere else really to go and JAD as he's been excellent in his role but thats splitting hairs.
I figure they’ll go 7-3-1 for expansion.
Kopitar
Iafallo
Kempe
AA
Grundstrum
Moore
Lemieux/Wagner/Lizotte

Doughty
Walker
Roy

Peterson
 
I figure they’ll go 7-3-1 for expansion.
Kopitar
Iafallo
Kempe
AA
Grundstrum
Moore
Lemieux/Wagner/Lizotte

Doughty
Walker
Roy

Peterson
I’m on board with this. I think the seventh spot goes to Dustin Brown and maybe the Kings choose Strand over Roy, but whatever. When we get to talking about which 4th liner or bottom pairing D the Kings could lose, you know they are in a good position.
 
I figure they’ll go 7-3-1 for expansion.
Kopitar
Iafallo
Kempe
AA
Grundstrum
Moore
Lemieux/Wagner/Lizotte

Doughty
Walker
Roy

Peterson

Hmm, i disagree. I'm likely an idiot...but i'd WAY prefer to lose any of Moore/Lemieux/Wagner/Lizotte before losing any of the Dmen (Clague, Mikey Anderson, Strand). I might even add AA & Grundstrum into that as well. Give me more options on D especially with youth before keeping (at best) 3/4th line guys. Those guys are easily found & replaceable. Keep as many of the young D as you can. I hate seeing Cernak tossed away so easily and thriving on TB.
 
I’m on board with this. I think the seventh spot goes to Dustin Brown and maybe the Kings choose Strand over Roy, but whatever. When we get to talking about which 4th liner or bottom pairing D the Kings could lose, you know they are in a good position.

Strand over Roy? Roy is arguably the Kings best defenseman right now, at least defensively if not overall.
 
Dmen generally take longer to develop. I'd rather lose a bottom 6 guy and not one of strand/clague. I'd still go with 8 skaters.

kopitar
Iafallo
kempe
AA with a chance of grundstrom instead if AA wants to leave.

Doty
Roy
Walker
strand over clague for some sandpaper on the team.

Petersen
 
Hmm, i disagree. I'm likely an idiot...but i'd WAY prefer to lose any of Moore/Lemieux/Wagner/Lizotte before losing any of the Dmen (Clague, Mikey Anderson, Strand). I might even add AA & Grundstrum into that as well. Give me more options on D especially with youth before keeping (at best) 3/4th line guys. Those guys are easily found & replaceable. Keep as many of the young D as you can. I hate seeing Cernak tossed away so easily and thriving on TB.
Even with a very D heavy protection scheme they'll probably end up taking Moverare.
 
One of these forwards is preferable over the defensemen.

We weren't happy to lose McNabb for nothing but we also weren't thinking it was the end of the world. Not saying McNabb is a stud but he's been playing 20 minutes a night for Vegas from the jump while racking up over 200 hits each season while our team is soft as shit and has dressed MacDermid, Alt and Wolanin on defense this season. Hell...throw Maata's name in there too.
 
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One of these forwards is preferable over the defensemen.

We weren't happy to lose McNabb for nothing but we also weren't thinking it was the end of the world. Not saying McNabb is a stud but he's been playing 20 minutes a night for Vegas from the jump while racking up over 200 hits each season while our team is soft as shit and has dressed MacDermid, Alt and Wolanin on defense this season. Hell...throw Maata's name in there too.

I usually agree with you but McNabb sucks.
 
Kings need to give Clague top 4 minutes until the end of the year to see how comfortable they are in exposing Walker.

If they are confident that Clague is ready, not better than Walker but ready for that spot, its easy to expose Walker as right shot defenders are covered with Strand then Faber a year away.

Kopitar, Iafallo, Athanasiou, Kempe and Moore must be protected. Doughty and Roy for certain. Personally, Clague, Grundstrom and Lizotte get the other three spots.
 
I usually agree with you but McNabb sucks.

But he's better than a lot of what has been trotted out by the Kings this season on the blue line. Hell, we were already regretting protecting Forbort instead of him.

I just looked up how Forbort is doing and he's playing 21 f***ing minutes a night for a team with nine more wins than the Kings. Hilarious.

But that's my point: I'd rather lose a 4th line forward v. Walker or Clague/Strand. We're seeing how depth on defense is important.
 
But he's better than a lot of what has been trotted out by the Kings this season on the blue line. Hell, we were already regretting protecting Forbort instead of him.

I just looked up how Forbort is doing and he's playing 21 f***ing minutes a night for a team with nine more wins than the Kings. Hilarious.

But that's my point: I'd rather lose a 4th line forward v. Walker or Clague/Strand. We're seeing how depth on defense is important.
And they hate Forbort on their team too.
 
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Kings need to give Clague top 4 minutes until the end of the year to see how comfortable they are in exposing Walker.

If they are confident that Clague is ready, not better than Walker but ready for that spot, its easy to expose Walker as right shot defenders are covered with Strand then Faber a year away.

Kopitar, Iafallo, Athanasiou, Kempe and Moore must be protected. Doughty and Roy for certain. Personally, Clague, Grundstrom and Lizotte get the other three spots.

I would go four and four

Doughty,Roy, Clague, Walker, Kempe, Kopitar, Iafallo, Athanasiou
Peterson

Currently my protected guys
 
I would go four and four

Doughty,Roy, Clague, Walker, Kempe, Kopitar, Iafallo, Athanasiou
Peterson

Currently my protected guys
I don't think you can go 4/4.

I don't care if I have to expose a few extra forwards. Those guys are simple Jack's.

You have to protect the defensemen.
Kopitar, Kempe, AI are the only guys that we can't afford to lose with AA and Grundstrum being nail biters.
 
4-4-1 seems like the way to go at this point. Interesting decision will be who is the fourth forward to protect (AA v Grundy).

Pretty sure the expansion rules state that a minimum of 20 of the 30 selections have to be under contract going into next year. Kings could take their chances and not resign AA until after the draft hoping that his RFA contract/term status could deter Seattle.
 
Would go 7 and 3.

our Right side Defence is set with DD, Roy and Walker.

Anderson and Bjornfot are exempt.


They can only pick one of Strand or Clague and Blake needs to make a trade for a #1 left D so basically the Defence is set for years.
 
Yup, especially when they were correct in their assessment of the situation.

I literally said it was time to trade him a few pages ago.

What a seer you are. Carter would decrease in production and be someone worth trading. I'm surprised you couldn't see COVID happening beforehand with that crystal ball you got.

Btw, here's my post, since you like to lie and misrepresent what others have said:

No problem with trading Iafallo. I'd rather the Kings keep him if they can, but his role can be filled in by another player (like Moore, even if he doesn't have the same production). Kopitar is also skilled enough to carry a line.

Similarly, as other players can fill in the role that Carter was filling before his decline. If they want to trade him to a cash-strapped team trying to make the cap (Arizona), it would be worth pursuing.

I know many strongly have disagreed with me as far as timing. Some of you wanted to trade Carter when he had more value. However, this is where I feel the process is:
- establish a player
- let them play into/develop into a role
- as the player becomes a vet, make the youth challenge to overcome/take the role
- move the player if it's in the player and team's best interest.

This system:
- promotes competition internally
- doesn't force prospects into a role they aren't ready for
- doesn't have the team shopping/overspending on free agents (free agency, imo, is for depth)
- maintains a healthier relationship and reputation between players and the org.

Treating players like mere assets first and foremost, imo, is not how you handle people.

This is the process of managing people and setting people up to succeed. And NOT being the Sabres, which you apparently yearn for.
 
Would go 7 and 3.

our Right side Defence is set with DD, Roy and Walker.

Anderson and Bjornfot are exempt.


They can only pick one of Strand or Clague and Blake needs to make a trade for a #1 left D so basically the Defence is set for years.

I’d consider Clague over Walker and see prior to the draft if another club has interest that could afford to protect him (eg, New Jersey).
 
But he's better than a lot of what has been trotted out by the Kings this season on the blue line. Hell, we were already regretting protecting Forbort instead of him.

I just looked up how Forbort is doing and he's playing 21 f***ing minutes a night for a team with nine more wins than the Kings. Hilarious.

But that's my point: I'd rather lose a 4th line forward v. Walker or Clague/Strand. We're seeing how depth on defense is important.

Forbort is a good player. Just another case of the unwashed masses blaming role players for being role players when their teams are short of talent.

I value Moore a hell of a lot more than Walker, which forces the 7-3-1 in my opinion since I have interest in giving away Iafallo or Athanasiou.
 
I find myself wondering how much better this team will be next season simply by Cal Petersen playing ~70% of the games.

Could be 5-10 points over 82 games.
 
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