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Speculation: 2020-21 LA Kings News/Rumors/Roster Discussion Part V

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SFKingshomer said:
Who is going to give a young center for Kopitar with his contract? He has a say on where he goes as well...
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The same people who want to make a run and will pay for it. Unless you think Kopitar brings no value for teams looking to go all the way.
 
Sol said:
The same people who want to make a run and will pay for it. Unless you think Kopitar brings no value for teams looking to go all the way.
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There is a reason you didn’t/can’t give a name, it’s cause it doesn’t exist.
 
GoldenBearHockey said:
Depth is a thing....ok,

Tell me if we trade for Dahlin.....where do we lose the depth?

Vilardi, Kempe, Moore, Lizotte, Wagner, Byfield, Thomas, Kaliyev, Fagemo, JAD, Grundstrom, L. Andersson, Madden, Kupari, Dudas, etc

Not to mention other drafts coming in, other FA, etc....

Where do we lose that depth?
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You aren't doing yourself any favors listing Lizotte/Moore/Wagner/Grundstrom/Andersson/Dudas.

I guess depth can just be rattling off everyone with a contract but there is a difference when we are talking good depth. Byfield is the only guy on that list with #1C potential. I'm not writing Vilardi off but #1C might be too much of an ask.
 
Sol said:
The same people who want to make a run and will pay for it. Unless you think Kopitar brings no value for teams looking to go all the way.
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Not with his salary and NMC. Maybe Nashville if they can dump Duchene or Johansen in the deal or some other team with a similar dead weight contract to move.
 
SFKingshomer said:
Not with his salary and NMC. Maybe Nashville if they can dump Duchene or Johansen in the deal or some other team with a similar dead weight contract to move.
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I doubt Kopitars contract is that hard for a team to take on if they want to win. Kopitar isn't some cap dump. Kings can obviously retain a bit too. Not like they're competing any time soon. However it's hard to know what Kopitars price tag is. He's still very productive for the team he's on so it's not going to be such a burden for a team to take on his contract. Teams are always looking to get over the edge, and Kopitar is certainly a piece who can do it.
 
Sol said:
I doubt Kopitars contract is that hard for a team to take on if they want to win. Kopitar isn't some cap dump. Kings can obviously retain a bit too. Not like they're competing any time soon. However it's hard to know what Kopitars price tag is. He's still very productive for the team he's on so it's not going to be such a burden for a team to take on his contract. Teams are always looking to get over the edge, and Kopitar is certainly a piece who can do it.
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The problem is the better teams are up against the cap and would need to move a huge salary. That and his NMC limits his return.
 
GoldenBearHockey said:
Depth is a thing....ok,

Tell me if we trade for Dahlin.....where do we lose the depth?

Vilardi, Kempe, Moore, Lizotte, Wagner, Byfield, Thomas, Kaliyev, Fagemo, JAD, Grundstrom, L. Andersson, Madden, Kupari, Dudas, etc

Not to mention other drafts coming in, other FA, etc....

Where do we lose that depth?
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If guys like Moore, Lizotte and Wagner are your depth for your glory years, you're not going to have any glory. Trevor Lewis was a first round pick. He didn't play top line hockey but we sure as shit needed him to win two Stanley Cups.
 
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BigKing said:
You aren't doing yourself any favors listing Lizotte/Moore/Wagner/Grundstrom/Andersson/Dudas.

I guess depth can just be rattling off everyone with a contract but there is a difference when we are talking good depth. Byfield is the only guy on that list with #1C potential. I'm not writing Vilardi off but #1C might be too much of an ask.
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Sure I am.....I mean unless you think a team is made up of completely McDavid and Matthews type.....
 
Bandit said:
If guys like Moore, Lizotte and Wagner are your depth for your glory years, you're not going to have any glory. Trevor Lewis was a first round pick. He didn't play top line hockey but we sure as shit needed him to win two Stanley Cups.
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So Lewis was a depth guy.....but Wagner and Moore and Lizotte who play literally the same way.....are not.

Interesting.
 
The biggest issue with trading Kopitar is that he has a no move clause. I don't see him moving out of LA. For a deal to work, we would have to either take a cap dump or retain. I just don't see Kopitar being traded. He is going to retire a King or at a minimum ride out his contract.
 
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GoldenBearHockey said:
And there it it is....you have NO idea how Turcotte, or Faber will translate to the NHL and you definitely don't know what that 2022 1st will be, but you are turning down a #1 D...because of hope...that makes zero sense.
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Its the only thing that makes sense. The Kings are at least a year away from dealing anybody simply for the reason you listed. You don't know what you have yet because you aren't supposed to know this early on. They just ended the purge, now you have to trust your scouting and developmental teams to do their jobs.

Once you have a firm grip on what you have and what you need then you can start working on the gaps. There are no gaps on the NHL roster right now, its an empty pit. No matter what you add it won't be enough. There are too many slots to fill, too many question marks.

What you certainly don't do is sacrifice a damn thing - not one damn thing - to try and capitalize on the waning years of Kopitar and Doughty.

The whole idea that you cannot play all the prospects is categorically rejected. It will sort itself out, they won't all hit and you don't get cute trying to project that now because if you guess wrong, and make no mistake that it would be anything but a guess at this point, then you are limiting your swings at bat.

Come back with this in a year, maybe two, and you would get some traction.
 
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AlphaBravo said:
The biggest issue with trading Kopitar is that he has a no move clause. I don't see him moving out of LA. For a deal to work, we would have to either take a cap dump or retain. I just don't see Kopitar being traded. He is going to retire a King or at a minimum ride out his contract.
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Its an option. I'll be cool with retaining if we get something good in return. We gotta be real with ourselves, he's not gonna be valuable for long.
 
bland said:
Its the only thing that makes sense. The Kings are at least a year away from dealing anybody simply for the reason you listed. You don't know what you have yet because you aren't supposed to know this early on. They just ended the purge, now you have to trust your scouting and developmental teams to do their jobs.

Once you have a firm grip on what you have and what you need then you can start working on the gaps. There are no gaps on the NHL roster right now, its an empty pit. No matter what you add it won't be enough. There are too many slots to fill, too many question marks.

What you certainly don't do is sacrifice a damn thing - not one damn thing - to try and capitalize on the waning years of Kopitar and Doughty.

The whole idea that you cannot play all the prospects is categorically rejected. It will sort itself out, they won't all hit and you don't get cute trying to project that now because if you guess wrong, and make no mistake that it would be anything but a guess at this point, then you are limiting your swings at bat.

Come back with this in a year, maybe two, and you would get some traction.
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If you get a guy like Chychrun, then it doesn't matter what you give up....not one prospect is the next McDavid, Matthews, Marner, etc....not one of them. You are right, we don't know what we have...but we do know what we have in relation to each other, ie, Quinton Byfield vs Mikey Essyimont or Bokoma Indjui and yea, I butchered there names..... we don't know if Faber turns into a solid #2, but...we do know that Chycrhun on his worst day, is a top #2....so if you gave to get up what might be......for what actually is. you 100% do that.
 
I just don’t see an established young LHD on the market period.

Maybe they can trade a center prospect for a similar dman prospect if it’s a swap of needs.
 
LAKings88 said:
I just don’t see an established young LHD on the market period.

Maybe they can trade a center prospect for a similar dman prospect if it’s a swap of needs.
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Definitely that.....good young players, D or F, just are not available that often...but when they are, you want a cupboard full of goodies to throw at them.....
 
Sol said:
Its an option. I'll be cool with retaining if we get something good in return. We gotta be real with ourselves, he's not gonna be valuable for long.
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I’m trying to remember a deal where a big long term contract was moved for positive value and I’m drawing a blank. Several teams would pass if here were waived...10 million is just too much for a guy his age.
 
Kopitar has three years left. He’ll be 36 at the end of it. Perineal 70-80 point player who is defensively sound.

Cap is an issue but I think multiple teams would be inclined. Especially if the Kings retained a bit.

Not advocating a trade, just saying.
 
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Ranger fan - has Brendan Lemieux suited up for you guys yet? I liked the attitude he brought for us but he could never stay on his skates. Hope he works out for you guys.
 
AlphaBravo said:
The biggest issue with trading Kopitar is that he has a no move clause. I don't see him moving out of LA. For a deal to work, we would have to either take a cap dump or retain. I just don't see Kopitar being traded. He is going to retire a King or at a minimum ride out his contract.
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Columbus would take that contract on with retention. They lost Dubois as a center and Dubinsky is gone for cap space. The timing is not ideal for the Kings because we need him until QB is ready but they would make good trading partners.
 
RickChartraw said:
Ranger fan - has Brendan Lemieux suited up for you guys yet? I liked the attitude he brought for us but he could never stay on his skates. Hope he works out for you guys.
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Yes, he netted 2 the other night. :sarcasm:
 
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