Speculation: 2020-21 LA Kings News/Rumors/Roster Discussion Part II

[Rusty Batch]

I'm also old enough to have watched the GOAT offensive player play in LA surrounded by what 4 other hall of famers not accomplish what Kopi did twice.

 

[BigKing]

I'm also old enough to have watched the GOAT offensive player play in LA surrounded by what 4 other hall of famers not accomplish what Kopi did twice.

Sure. He did win four before coming here though.

Kopitar is awesome. I like him more than Gretzky by a country mile. I'm arguing that he'll be remembered as the "King of Kings" if he sees this contract through.

He'd get more love if he was in a bigger hockey market, for sure. No doubt. Crosby, Ovechkin, McDavid...they would still get hyped up if they played their entire careers in LA since they are that special.

 

[johnjm22]

Which coach, the three very different types that they quit on?

There is something very wrong with the attitude and approach of the players within this organization over the past 8 seasons, and it is perfectly fair to hold the supposed core leadership group responsible for these failures. Kopitar included.

You might be misinterpreting what I'm saying.

Kopitar is very even keel. A lot like Matty Nordstrom actually. Nothing wrong with that. But you don't want everyone on or around the team to be to have a moderate temperament, or an overly emotional one. You need both. Coaches and even management can be a part that equation.

 

[bland]

I'm also old enough to have watched the GOAT offensive player play in LA surrounded by what 4 other hall of famers not accomplish what Kopi did twice.

Fun fact: In the three Western Conference Finals and two Stanley Cup Finals series, Anze Kopitar outscored noted third line grinder Dwight King by just two points.

There are all kinds of ways to spin things based on opinion, can't we just appreciate these players for who they are and what they have accomplished without overstating things?

 

[deaderhead28]

I'm also old enough to have watched the GOAT offensive player play in LA surrounded by what 4 other hall of famers not accomplish what Kopi did twice.

To be fair, Marty McSorleys stick and a Kings owner got in the way

 

[bland]

You might be misinterpreting what I'm saying.

Kopitar is very even keel. A lot like Matty Nordstrom actually. Nothing wrong with that. But you don't want everyone on or around the team to be to have a moderate temperament, or an overly emotional one. You need both. Coaches and even management can be a part that equation.

Oh, I was just piling on.

If you had the choice of three leadership qualities, just firey, just reserved, or both, I would have to think reserved alone would be the least conducive to success. Less of a chance of overacheiving or rising up to meet the occasion.

 

[Rusty Batch]

Fun fact: In the three Western Conference Finals and two Stanley Cup Finals series, Anze Kopitar outscored noted third line grinder Dwight King by just two points.

There are all kinds of ways to spin things based on opinion, can't we just appreciate these players for who they are and what they have accomplished without overstating things?

Not sure what I'm overstating, the value of two-way play?

 

[bland]

To be fair, Marty McSorleys stick and a Kings owner got in the way

The inability to kill that McSorely penalty really makes the Fraser non-call on Gretzky so fortunate.

 

[bland]

Not sure what I'm overstating, the value of two-way play?

No, just talking about the Gretzky/Kopitar Cup comparison in your post I quoted. Lots of different ways for us to select specific things to frame our opinions.

I could (and have over the years) say that Anze wasn't as big a factor in those five Finals series as he was in the first two rounds of those three magical years, but ultimately it doesn't mean a damn thing because he was a big part in bringing those two championships.

Gretzky didn't win here, but does it mean he is less of a player? Sure. Maybe. Maybe that is ridiculous to say.

 

[HookKing]

Doughty is a dipshit while Kopitar is pure class. You don't have to like it, but if they both played 18 seasons for the Kings, why would Drew be considered the "King of Kings": especially while Kopitar wears the "C" for eight seasons at the end of this contract? If Kopitar leaves at the end of this and Drew is made captain, Drew has three seasons of captaincy before his contract ends.

I'm all about what Doughty meant to those championships and I think he is still a stud, but this team has lived and died on Kopitar more than Doughty. Someone has to score and, if it isn't Kopitar, it generally hasn't been anyone else.

Great argument -- "mean girls shit". LOL.

 

[funky]

I hold generational in a different aspect

Gretzky
Lemieux
Lindros - if injuries didn’t cut him down
Crosby / Ovi
McDavid - is on track

Kopitar is in my next tier right up there with

Yzermam
Federov
Selanne
Etc.

The thing is Kopitar does not have any where near the support the other guys had. He did it playing all the heavy minutes, pen kills etc with guys like Brown, Iafallo, King etc on his wing. Half the time our second line center situation was a mess

the guy is a true great

 

[BigKing]

Great argument -- "mean girls shit". LOL.

It is a legit argument. Think about it. Who would be chosen as the representative of this franchise? The classy guy or the Doughty?

 

[HookKing]

It is a legit argument. Think about it. Who would be chosen as the representative of this franchise? The classy guy or the Doughty?

Nice strawman there. So we've gone from greatest to a representative.

 

[Stimpythecat]

Maybe the play is to acquire a top 4D + top six foward together. Sergachev/Cernak + Johnson, Dunn + Tarasenko, Carlo/Grzelcyk + Debrusk.

Also a little article on Jake DeBrusk to LA.

Acquiring Jake DeBrusk makes sense for the LA Kings

I've read both here and elsewhere that Cernak carries a grudge against the Kings for how he was treated. I would be against a trade for him since it's more likely he leaves as a UFA or would demand more in salary due to that grudge.

 

[Stimpythecat]

Any thoughts to trying to get Jazz Hands back?

 

[Steve Zissou]

Any thoughts to trying to get Jazz Hands back?

No, but I can tell you that that pesky human fly in a Kings uni is back!

 

[Reclamation Project]

Any thoughts to trying to get Jazz Hands back?

He just went on two deep runs on a stacked contender, why would he ever sign here? I wouldn't. He'll either re-sign in Vegas at a discount or sign on a team looking to take a big step next season like the Rags.

 

[kingsholygrail]

He just went on two deep runs on a stacked contender, why would he ever sign here? I wouldn't. He'll either re-sign in Vegas at a discount or sign on a team looking to take a big step next season like the Rags.

I think he will test the waters unless Vegas overpays him.

 

[Reclamation Project]

I don't think Vegas will re-sign him. Great trade, but I think they'll move on. Hague is a stud and needs to play full time now.

 

[BigKing]

Nice strawman there. So we've gone from greatest to a representative.

Being considered the greatest King isn't the same as the best. I started this by saying who would usurp Dave Taylor as the King of Kings.

You're caught up in Doughty being better than Kopitar which I'm not even talking about.

 

[HookKing]

Being considered the greatest King isn't the same as the best. I started this by saying who would usurp Dave Taylor as the King of Kings.

You're caught up in Doughty being better than Kopitar which I'm not even talking about.

Yet you brought up cups and points to make your argument. Nothing about dipshits being ineligible.

 

[kingsfan28]

Any thoughts to trying to get Jazz Hands back?

Nope. He likes playing in the playoff too much and doesn't fill our need for top pairing dman. Where he's used in Vegas is perfect for his game and he's 33.

 

[Reclamation Project]

I could see Detroit giving him a pile of cash too.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I hold generational in a different aspect

Gretzky
Lemieux
Lindros - if injuries didn’t cut him down
Crosby / Ovi
McDavid - is on track

Kopitar is in my next tier right up there with

Yzermam
Federov
Selanne
Etc.

The thing is Kopitar does not have any where near the support the other guys had. He did it playing all the heavy minutes, pen kills etc with guys like Brown, Iafallo, King etc on his wing. Half the time our second line center situation was a mess

the guy is a true great

Yeah, I mean nothing exemplifies it more really than Kopitar getting 92 points while our 2C got 37, even despite AK's heavy deployment. Just an unreal season.

I'd never say he's better than Crosby or one of those guys but if you take the list of players who have played remotely the same duration as Kopi has, Crosby and Ovechkin are the only ones I take over him. They're the only ones who could carry a team in a consistent manner the way Anze has for so long (Malkin hurt too much, I'm not counting McDavid/Matthews/MacKinnon quite yet).

It really is a shame he was never truly unleashed, imagine a prime Kopitar season with 20 easy minutes a game, no PK time, a shutdown line behind him.

 

[Reclamation Project]

I find it pretty amazing Kopitar has 1,000 points with the revolving door of rubbish wingers he's had to play with. Unlike everyone's crush Bergeron who has had elite talent around him, especially the last couple seasons. Kopitar would be a 100 point player easily with Marchand or Pastrnak.