Speculation: 2020-21 LA Kings News/Rumors/Roster Discussion Part II

[Lt Dan]

No.

I recognize a fellow own-gas sniffer when I see one. Except mine is so fine I have commissioned a series of small batch artisinal aroma therapeutics for the rabble.

So you are the Belle Delphine of farting?

 

[YP44]

Tkachuk out of Calgary sounds like the flames leaking that to the media to soften the blow to fans when they deal him. Johnny sounds like is sticking around, and the team cannot make an impact deal with Monahan. So moving mathew is really their only option. Plus he only has one more year till he is an RFA that has the be qualified at $9M. He is not worth $9M.

 

[BigKing]

Tkachuk out of Calgary sounds like the flames leaking that to the media to soften the blow to fans when they deal him. Johnny sounds like is sticking around, and the team cannot make an impact deal with Monahan. So moving mathew is really their only option. Plus he only has one more year till he is an RFA that has the be qualified at $9M. He is not worth $9M.

.80 PPG player with that figure including a 19/20 year old rookie season. Has the fire and grit that is completely lacking in this franchise for years now.

Here are the wingers with a cap hit of $8MM - to - $9MM in order from highest to lowest.

Skinner
Stamkos (C/W)
Drai (C/W)
Aho (C/W)
Giroux (C/W)
Voracek
Wheeler (C/W)
Duchene (C/W)
RyJo (C/W)
Hall
Couture
Kessel

You'd rather have Drai, probably Aho (although he only has three years left on this deal before a raise) and I think that is it. Now, this doesn't mean because of these deals that Matthew is worth $9MM but, dammit, he might be worth that to the Kings since they can afford it and have a real need for both the position and the type of player. He also doesn't turn 24 until December.

 

[YP44]

.80 PPG player with that figure including a 19/20 year old rookie season. Has the fire and grit that is completely lacking in this franchise for years now.

Here are the wingers with a cap hit of $8MM - to - $9MM in order from highest to lowest.

Skinner
Stamkos (C/W)
Drai (C/W)
Aho (C/W)
Giroux (C/W)
Voracek
Wheeler (C/W)
Duchene (C/W)
RyJo (C/W)
Hall
Couture
Kessel

You'd rather have Drai, probably Aho (although he only has three years left on this deal before a raise) and I think that is it. Now, this doesn't mean because of these deals that Matthew is worth $9MM but, dammit, he might be worth that to the Kings since they can afford it and have a real need for both the position and the type of player. He also doesn't turn 24 until December.

that's a fair point as long as this past season was the abnormality (which it easily could be). He was so disengaged from that Muzzin puck flip incident onwards. Disengaged is not something I would use to ever describe him

 

[Docgonzo]

According to the rumor by O’Brien that Tkachuk wants out, he followed that up with he wants to play in St Louis. So if those are true I wouldn’t trade for him since he’d just sign till UFA and then leave.

 

[BigKing]

According to the rumor by O’Brien that Tkachuk wants out, he followed that up with he wants to play in St Louis. So if those are true I wouldn’t trade for him since he’d just sign till UFA and then leave.

I don't doubt he wants to play in his hometown but I think this is probably more of a wanting-out-of-Calgary thing at the moment then a will-only-play-for-St. Louis thing.

 

[The Lukeman]

Not sure that's going to factor in at all. $5.5 a year is the equivalent of a nearly $4 million dollar a year raise based on Canadian to US dollars. The only two teams with any sort of tax advantage over the Kings would be Dallas or Florida. Dallas PROBABLY doesn't really fit the bill because they've got about $15 million to sign five players and their top 2 centers seem set. If the Kings go after him I figure FL, DET, OTT, CAR, BOS would also be making a run at him.

People really overemphasize the tax advantage these teams have. Their income tax is based where the game is played. If you do the math (I think I’ll do it when I have free time, it’s not as bad as people make it seem. It’s not 13% savings if you’re in Florida vs CA. You play 41 home games. We play another ~6 in CA with the new schedule. This means a play on the kings will play about 35 games with another states income tax. This leads only to a tax advantage of about 7% in the most extreme circumstances (CA vs FL)

ALSO state income tax did not make a difference until 2018 when trump passed his tax plan. In the tax plan, he changed SALT deductions (state and local tax deductions) from unlimited (aka 0 tax advantage for US teams) to it being capped to 100k. Biden and Pelosi already stated they are going to try and change it in Biden’s tax plan. Idc for the politics, but this tax advantage thing is probably going away again.

 

[DryIslandBartender]

People really overemphasize the tax advantage these teams have. Their income tax is based where the game is played. If you do the math (I think I’ll do it when I have free time, it’s not as bad as people make it seem. It’s not 13% savings if you’re in Florida vs CA. You play 41 home games. We play another ~6 in CA with the new schedule. This means a play on the kings will play about 35 games with another states income tax. This leads only to a tax advantage of about 7% in the most extreme circumstances (CA vs FL)

ALSO state income tax did not make a difference until 2018 when trump passed his tax plan. In the tax plan, he changed SALT deductions (state and local tax deductions) from unlimited (aka 0 tax advantage for US teams) to it being capped to 100k. Biden and Pelosi already stated they are going to try and change it in Biden’s tax plan. Idc for the politics, but this tax advantage thing is probably going away again.

Actually. CA still imposes taxes regardless if business/work is conducted in another state because it depends on where your residence is.

One of the best examples happened recently where the NBA had the bubble in Orlando. During the finals of the Heat vs Lakers, they said that Jimmy Butler (about 35 million) paid no income tax for the duration of the bubble, meanwhile Lebron (39 million) still had to pay the 13% tax imposed by CA.

 

[Choralone]

From Lisa Dillman's Mailbag over at the Athletic:

Who do you think could be likely targets in free agency? You’re allowed to name names as I don’t think tampering applies to you. – Michael J.
You are going to find a handful of older, expensive guys who won’t fit with what the Kings are trying to do. But there are some names further down the list possibly worth considering:

• LW Jaden Schwartz, 29 (St. Louis Blues): Yes, injuries limited him to 40 games this past season but you might recall that I’ve mentioned him previously as someone who might make sense for the Kings.

• LW Mikael Granlund, 29 (Nashville Predators): A good versatile professional who can score at the NHL level. He can easily help fill in one of the gaps in L.A.’s top six.

• RW Joel Armia, 28 (Montreal Canadiens): Armia has been excellent for the Canadiens in their postseason run. A right-shot who can play both wings but has issues staying healthy.

 

[SFKingshomer]

Fiala worth giving up Vilardi?

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Armia sucks, he would just be Trent Hunter here.

Granlund is good but he'd infuriate people here by getting 40-50 points while they're expecting a savior

I f***ing love Schwartz and his versatility would be fantastic.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Fiala worth giving up Vilardi?

I could see that one if we want a more natural winger. Also a former #11 OA pick, too. I wouldn't be happy but that's just because I'm a huge Vilardi homer.

 

[YP44]

Not sure that's going to factor in at all. $5.5 a year is the equivalent of a nearly $4 million dollar a year raise based on Canadian to US dollars. The only two teams with any sort of tax advantage over the Kings would be Dallas or Florida. Dallas PROBABLY doesn't really fit the bill because they've got about $15 million to sign five players and their top 2 centers seem set. If the Kings go after him I figure FL, DET, OTT, CAR, BOS would also be making a run at him.

I waive the flag about the income tax thing all the time.

Not sure I get your point on the CAD vs USD. Players in Canada get paid in USD, but their expenses are in CAD so their take home should be more north of the border. So I do not see how $5.5M a year is a $4M raise over the 6x6 he turned down from the habs.

 

[FSL KINGS]

Came across this gem. Not sure if it's been posted already.

 

[Stimpythecat]

Fiala worth giving up Vilardi?

I'd rather give up the #8OA unless that pick will get a LHD.

Vilardi is further along in development than the #8OA which is what the kings need. He is on the last year of his ELC and Minnesota may want more cost controlled years.

 

[The Lukeman]

Actually. CA still imposes taxes regardless if business/work is conducted in another state because it depends on where your residence is.

One of the best examples happened recently where the NBA had the bubble in Orlando. During the finals of the Heat vs Lakers, they said that Jimmy Butler (about 35 million) paid no income tax for the duration of the bubble, meanwhile Lebron (39 million) still had to pay the 13% tax imposed by CA.

Good to know, thank you!

 

[SmytheKing]

I waive the flag about the income tax thing all the time.

Not sure I get your point on the CAD vs USD. Players in Canada get paid in USD, but their expenses are in CAD so their take home should be more north of the border. So I do not see how $5.5M a year is a $4M raise over the 6x6 he turned down from the habs.

They get paid in USD? I was not aware of that. If that's the case, so be it.

The raise I was referring to was regarding his current salary being ~$3M right now and $5.5 million being about $6.8M CAD.

Again though, if they're paid in USD, that point doesn't stand. Still, the tax factor isn't as big a thing as it's made out to be. Probably some factor, but you're not going to a bad team just because you're saving ~10% over a good team.

 

[BigKing]

I'd rather give up the #8OA unless that pick will get a LHD.

Vilardi is further along in development than the #8OA which is what the kings need. He is on the last year of his ELC and Minnesota may want more cost controlled years.

I think Vilardi is going to still be pretty cost-controlled on his next contract. If he isn't, then that means he really blossoms this year.

 

[YP44]

They get paid in USD? I was not aware of that. If that's the case, so be it.

The raise I was referring to was regarding his current salary being ~$3M right now and $5.5 million being about $6.8M CAD.

Again though, if they're paid in USD, that point doesn't stand. Still, the tax factor isn't as big a thing as it's made out to be. Probably some factor, but you're not going to a bad team just because you're saving ~10% over a good team.

I am right with you on the tax thing.

Ya salary cap and all numbers are in USD

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

Came across this gem. Not sure if it's been posted already.

It's just Lisa Dillman drivel -- I've never gotten the impression she's got a closer pulse on the org more than anyone else. Would take the Mayor's inside info over Dillman any day.

 

[YP44]

It's just Lisa Dillman drivel -- I've never gotten the impression she's got a closer pulse on the org more than anyone else. Would take the Mayor's inside info over Dillman any day.

oh for sure she is a reporter and does not have sources that I can tell. I think she is actually based in Calgary

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

oh for sure she is a reporter and does not have sources that I can tell. I think she is actually based in Calgary

No, fairly certain she lives in OC....she mentioned it in the article.

 

[BigKing]

oh for sure she is a reporter and does not have sources that I can tell. I think she is actually based in Calgary

Pretty sure she is in Huntington Beach.

It would be pretty rough for a beat reporter to not have any sources so I'm sure she has some but she doesn't really swim in the hype pool. She's a professional reporter and not a Twitter Barker.

 

[YP44]

My bad, not sure why I thought she was located here.

 

[Schrute farms]

Actually. CA still imposes taxes regardless if business/work is conducted in another state because it depends on where your residence is.

One of the best examples happened recently where the NBA had the bubble in Orlando. During the finals of the Heat vs Lakers, they said that Jimmy Butler (about 35 million) paid no income tax for the duration of the bubble, meanwhile Lebron (39 million) still had to pay the 13% tax imposed by CA.

The important issue is whether you are a California resident or not. If CA is your home state, then yes they will tax you on worldwide income and you get a credit for the taxes charged by the other states (when you play games in those states). That's why Lebron (or DD) would get taxed on everything whether the games are played in LA, Vegas or Florida. But if Lebron/DD had their primary residency in Vegas/Florida and simply worked (played games for their home team) in CA, then they would only get taxed on the games played in CA. This is the same as a TB Lightening player who lives in Florida -- he gets taxed by CA on the games he plays here in CA. If they played all games in Florida (like they did in the NBA bubble), then no state tax (unlike Lebron -- full CA tax even though games played in FL).

So theoretically, a player cam avoid some of the CA tax hit by being considered a NV (or FL/TX/etc.) resident. If they want to be a CA resident, whether they play for a CA team or not, they would get the full CA tax hit (with a credit for taxes paid in other states).