Speculation: 2020-21 LA Kings News/Rumors/Roster Discussion Part II

[HookKing]

Concrete proposals aren't needed when your offer is that weak. Every single one of those teams could offer either:

• A draft pick with more value than Anderson
• A prospect with a higher ceiling than Anderson

...and that's not to mention that most could offer a package of multiple picks, prospects, or a similar roster player in a bidding war. The chasm between Sergachev and Anderson is massive, and as much as I love Mikey, he is NOT a proven top 2 and he is NOT a proven top 4 on a competitor (even if we think he can be). Think about how ludicrous that statement is. If Mikey were a proven top 2 LHD (or even appeared to be capable of it), why would be looking for one? He clearly struggled this season, and had negative relative impacts to his teammates in almost every metric.

I'm not giving up on Anderson and believe he can be a good player, but you're way off base on Sergachev's value and the majority in this thread agree with that.

You are severely overrating Sergachev. Moreover, just putting a package of picks/prospects doesn't solve any of Tampa's problems. They need to cut salary, protect players and are in a complete win now mode. They aren't going to give up Sergachev if this doesn't happen. The majority of this thread (or any other thread for that matter) is useless. For example, see thread for last year's Maata trade.

 

[No Name The Nameless]

With all due respect to your opinion I believe in John Hoven information.
What you are saying it is just your conspiracy theories, because you want Eichel on Kings.

It has nothing to do with my wanting Eichel and everything to do with the fact that I know the business. I'm an espn radio host.

 

[kinghock]

It has nothing to do with my wanting Eichel and everything to do with the fact that I know the business. I'm an espn radio host.

OK, I still prefer John Hoven information over yours…

 

[Sol]

OK, I still prefer John Hoven information over yours…

John hovens hf account confirmed

 

[kinghock]

John hovens hf account confirmed

Some people like to get info from John Hoven. I am one of them.
Some people do not like to get info from John Hoven. You are one of them.

 

[Piston]

Good post.

The problem is people are making Pawn Stars type offers for him (same with Eichel), forgetting that the Kings aren't the only team in the league. I think Sergachev is wee bit overrated on this forum but there would still be at minimum 5-10 teams who would be in on him, so no he's not being traded straight up for Mikey Anderson or for Tyler Madden and draft pick.

Likewise.

I wonder how much of your hesitation on Sergachev is that he is playing behind one sure HOF'er and another possible one. He has a swagger about him that makes me believe he wants to be 'The Guy".

It seems to me the key in any deal involving Sergachev is Tyler Johnson. TB's main problem is getting under the Cap- they are currently over by $5mm for next season and have multiple UFAs, some of whom like Goodrow and Coleman they may want to keep. If you figure that number of teams that can take on Johnson's $5mm cap hit for three years with the cap not projected to increase is severely constrained, the number of trade partners is much more limited than you suggest.

Here is how I think the deal goes:

To LA: Sergachev, Johnson (if he agrees to put LA on his 20 team trade list) and a #1 pick in 2022
To TB: 8OA in 2021, Walker and JAD

TB gains net $6.4 mm in Cap space, does not need to worry about the massive QO for Sergachev in two years, gets a RD that is cost controllable and will keep their Cup window wide open and a 4th line center who plays a game that fits with their style. They also get a top prospect in this year's draft who will be ready sooner rather than later and can restock their barren reserve list.

LA gets a potential #1 d-man and a #1 in next year's draft when we will have a better idea which of our prospects are busts and will need to be replaced in the pipeline. Plus, Johnson looks like he can still play, albeit in a reduced role.

I'm not sure if RB wants to take on Johnson's contract, but doing so will be the only way to gain a premium asset.

 

[LAKings88]

It has nothing to do with my wanting Eichel and everything to do with the fact that I know the business. I'm an espn radio host.

I’m sure these guys get played too. As much as Hoven would like to think it, he isn’t inner circle.

 

[johnjm22]

Here is how I think the deal goes:

To LA: Sergachev, Johnson (if he agrees to put LA on his 20 team trade list) and a #1 pick in 2022
To TB: 8OA in 2021, Walker and JAD

IMO, the value of Johnson's cap dump is 2x late 1st round picks. And that might be a conservative valuation.

So in this deal above, it's equivalent to something like 2.5x 1st round picks, JAD, and Walker for Sergachev. It's too much. The Kings shouldn't have to swap picks if they're taking on Johnson.

Sergachev probably isn't even as good as Cernak.

 

[deaderhead28]

John hovens hf account confirmed

 

[deaderhead28]

Some people like to get info from John Hoven. I am one of them.
Some people do not like to get info from John Hoven. You are one of them.

The hate for Hoven is real and so are the ridiculous things you read on HFBOARDS.Expect both to be true and you'll not be shocked what you read....

 

[tbrown33]

At least we have a smattering of people who write about the team - I appreciate anyone who gives us shit to read, tbh. I will say Hoven was the first to say it was two draft picks.

 

[deaderhead28]

At least we have a smattering of people who write about the team - I appreciate anyone who gives us shit to read, tbh. I will say Hoven was the first to say it was two draft picks.

Be prepared to be lectured on Hovens misses like 6 years ago for this statment.

 

[tbrown33]

Be prepared to be lectured on Hovens misses like 6 years ago for this statment.

I am neutral towards the guy - but from my vantage point, he hits more than he misses. Even if most of the stuff he gets right is smaller roster detail stuff, I appreciate the info.

I'll give him credit for at least not deleting his tweets when he does miss

 

[Sol]

How does Jon Hoven have so many accounts on board? I mean, I'm impressed but chill. Go back to your anonymous taco bell sources.

 

[BigKing]

With all due respect to your opinion I believe in John Hoven information.
What you are saying it is just your conspiracy theories, because you want Eichel on Kings.

My issue with Hoven isn't the guy himself. I follow him and will read certain articles. I appreciate someone covering the Kings that does have some connections and is able to get interviews with players etc.

The bolded, however, is my issue. While there is a faction that dismisses everything he says, there is a faction which you fall under that believes everything he says. He is far too often wrong about the big things--like trades and signings--to use him as the basis of an argument pertaining to these things. A huge part of your anti-Eichel trade stance is "Hoven said it isn't happening". Cool. That means jack shit. Now, if you want to talk injuries or call-ups from Ontario, go right ahead and use Hoven as a source but he's under the Mendoza line with no homeruns when it comes to big ticket moves.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Don’t forget Tkachev. They signed him for a reason. Pretty sure Frk is Ontario bound. I’m m gonna go with

Iafallo-Kopitar-Arvidsson
Tkachev/Moore-Byfield-Brown
Kempe-Vilardi-Andersson
Lemieux-JAD-AA/Wagner/Lizotte/MacDermid

f*** that’s a lot of forwards in the mix and I didn’t even mention Kaliyev or Turcotte.

I think AA walks and Frk makes the team. Hoven still thinks the Kings want to see Vilardi and Frk together.

Seattle will take Wagner or Clague. Maybe Lizotte.

Also, I keep fighting with everyone about Byfield. He just turned 18. Kupari is 21 and looked way better. I would pencil in Kupari.

 

[King'sPawn]

The hate for Hoven is real and so are the ridiculous things you read on HFBOARDS.Expect both to be true and you'll not be shocked what you read....

Yup.

I've stopped arguing with people about Hoven and have blocked a chunk of them. As well as people who discuss in bad faith.

Threads are several pages shorter, but the ones I ignore likely aren't missing conversations with me anyway.

 

[LAKings88]

I think AA walks and Frk makes the team. Hoven still thinks the Kings want to see Vilardi and Frk together.

Seattle will take Wagner or Clague. Maybe Lizotte.

Also, I keep fighting with everyone about Byfield. He just turned 18. Kupari is 21 and looked way better. I would pencil in Kupari.

I honestly thought Kupari was invisible most of the time. He did look better the last few games. Granted he was playing mostly bottom six minutes.

 

[LAKings88]

I appreciate Hoven even if I don’t like what I perceive to be a bit of arrogance. Players legit know him and come on his show. Best insider we have. Doesn’t mean the team will let him go wild. Information isn’t stagnate either, I give him a pass when things don’t come to happen.

 

[Johnny Utah]

I like Hoven a lot - he responds to private messages. He is the best person for info these days.

I like Bernstein too.

 

[BigKing]

I think AA walks and Frk makes the team. Hoven still thinks the Kings want to see Vilardi and Frk together.

Seattle will take Wagner or Clague. Maybe Lizotte.

Also, I keep fighting with everyone about Byfield. He just turned 18. Kupari is 21 and looked way better. I would pencil in Kupari.

Byfield is not playing in the OHL next season so pencil him in.

Kupari should play well enough to earn a spot out of camp. If he doesn't, then he needs to look in the mirror.

 

[Matt13]

I don't know how you all have so much time to not like people. All the hate on Hoven, Faust, etc.......Have you ever had a beer with any of them or are you just being catty little bitches?

There are only 2 things I cant stand in this world, people who are intolerant of other people's culture and The Dutch.

 

[Johnny Utah]

I talked to Bernstein at Staples and Hoven via message on IG. Both cool to me.

 

[SFKingshomer]

I have to think CBJ is being proactive and seeing where Werenskis head is at. Losing him and Jones is going to destroy that team but it is what it is. Love to have either on the Kings but I think both have other destinations in mind.

 

[No Name The Nameless]

OK, I still prefer John Hoven information over yours…

I'm not giving information. I'm discussing how he acts sour when he gets scooped or when people call him on his act. He's thin skinned, acts like his information is rock solid and flips out when people call him on his rock solid blunders.

I love his blog and the pod, but this type of information is his bread and butter. You cannot expect to go from A ball to the majors without playing some AA and AAA. Does he really expect to be the guy that is going to break national deals or are they going to use him to force an agenda? Look at the track record. He's wonderful at breaking team insight but not transactions. He has to know that, so why does he get so upset and make excuses when he is wrong?