Speculation: 2020-21 LA Kings News/Rumors/Roster Discussion Part II

[KingsHockey24]

John Hoven saying we'll be trying Kurtis MacDermid as a forward next season.

 

[kingsholygrail]

John Hoven saying we'll be trying Kurtis MacDermid as a forward next season.

Are we short on forwards?

 

[tny760]

John Hoven saying we'll be trying Kurtis MacDermid as a forward next season.

 

[bland]

Are we short on forwards?

Sign Bogosian!

 

[LAKings88]

John Hoven saying we'll be trying Kurtis MacDermid as a forward next season.

That or leave him out of the lineup I guess.

 

[bland]

Can I still get Iafallo with Byfield at least so he can also have some help in the form of a guy that will buzz around and maybe win a puck battle?

My druthers...

Kempe - Kopitar - Kaliyev/Kupari (the Bad Optics line)

Iafallo - Byfield - Moore
Arvidsson - Vilardi - Andersson
Grundstrom (Gunderson) - JAD - Lemieux/Brown

Not ideal, but I would rather see a kid get experience on the top line than another round of Brown. If you can add a Reinhart or other high end RW, terrific. Hoping Turcotte makes it, or makes sending him down as difficult a decision as possible.

Bottom line, is that this upcoming season needs to be the one where the kids up front need to separate themselves from the pack. There are too many bodies deserving of a look, somebody needs to stand up and make their spot permanent or the next guy gets his chance.

Brown needs to announce that this will be his final year, there is no room going forward and the good will circuit will be a positive in what looks to be another year of struggles.

Kempe needs to figure out who he is and cement a position, or he can be dealt.

 

[kilowatt]

Let's go get Eichel, Tarasenko, Dunn, and Theodore and then sign Dougie Hamilton. f*** it.

Eichel for Turcotte, Bjornfot, 8th overall
Tarasenko and Dunn for Kupari, Fagemo, Walker, and the other second round pick
Theodore for Madden, and this year's third

Arvidsson - Kopitar - Kaliyev
Kempe - Eichel - Vilardi
Iafallo - Byfield - Tarasenko
Moore - JAD - Brown

Theodore - Doughty
Anderson - Hamilton
Dunn - Roy

Quick
Petersen

Four good lines, three good pairs. That's a playoff contender... all it took is three legit stars, three supporting players, and two prospect graduations.

 

[bland]

Moore would work too.

I say give him both!

 

[SFKingshomer]

Let's go get Eichel, Tarasenko, Dunn, and Theodore and then sign Dougie Hamilton. f*** it.

Eichel for Turcotte, Bjornfot, 8th overall
Tarasenko and Dunn for Kupari, Fagemo, Walker, and the other second round pick
Theodore for Madden, and this year's third

Arvidsson - Kopitar - Kaliyev
Kempe - Eichel - Vilardi
Iafallo - Byfield - Tarasenko
Moore - JAD - Brown

Theodore - Doughty
Anderson - Hamilton
Dunn - Roy

Quick
Petersen

Four good lines, three good pairs. That's a playoff contender... all it took is three legit stars, three supporting players, and two prospect graduations.

And going over the salary cap. The value on the 1st 2 trades isn’t bad but the Theodore 1 is so bad for Vegas.

 

[Herby]

John Hoven saying we'll be trying Kurtis MacDermid as a forward next season.

I was screaming for this all last season, good to see it's going to happen.

The guy legit cost them multiple games last season because he is 3rd pairing AHL defender who they played on defense for some inexplicable reason. Plenty of tough guy d-man in junior or the minors transitioned to being a 4th line wingers in the NHL and TMac just refused to give it a shot.

 

[BringTheReign]

Wish I could be optimistic about MacD on forward, but even guys like Maroon have hands. I like having MacDermid available, but even at forward I don't think he should be a regular.

But, who knows? Maybe MacDermid has better hands than we think, he just didn't do well scooping pucks off the wall under pressure which is basically the hardest thing today in today's NHL besides score goals. He'll at least be on the other side of that equation playing on the wing.

 

[Herby]

Wish I could be optimistic about MacD on forward, but even guys like Maroon have hands. I like having MacDermid available, but even at forward I don't think he should be a regular.

But, who knows. Maybe MacDermid has better hands than we think, he just didn't do well scooping them off the wall under pressure. He'll at least be on the other side of that equation playing on the wing.

It's easier to bench him as a forward if the game situation warrants it than it is to bench him as a d-man.

 

[Reaper45]

He’s got good enough speed that opposing d are going to be real f***ing worried about him. That’s a big man to be plastering you into the boards on a dump in.

 

[Piston]

Has a team ever traded good young player to get out of a contract? Closest I can think of was Teravainen to get out from Bickel.

Has there ever been a time when so many teams who want to win now are in Cap hell? Tampa's window will be open for a few more years. Sergachev is the one major asset that 1) has no NTC/NMC clause 2) Has 2 great players (McDonagh and Hedman) who play his position and are immovable 3) can bring back a major haul that can keep the team in contention for a long time. He is basically a surplus asset that they would hate to give up but can afford to do so if the price is right.

 

[Herby]

Has there ever been a time when so many teams who want to win now are in Cap hell? Tampa's window will be open for a few more years. Sergachev is the one major asset that 1) has no NTC/NMC clause 2) Has 2 great players (McDonagh and Hedman) who play his position and are immovable 3) can bring back a major haul that can keep the team in contention for a long time. He is basically a surplus asset that they would hate to give up but can afford to do so if the price is right.

Good post.

The problem is people are making Pawn Stars type offers for him (same with Eichel), forgetting that the Kings aren't the only team in the league. I think Sergachev is wee bit overrated on this forum but there would still be at minimum 5-10 teams who would be in on him, so no he's not being traded straight up for Mikey Anderson or for Tyler Madden and draft pick.

 

[BringTheReign]

Name them.

A list of teams who could bid against and beat an offer of Anderson for Sergachev with abbreviated reasoning:

• Chicago - Rumored to be moving Keith to go after Jones or Hamilton
• Philly - Same as Chicago
• Winnipeg - Has needed defense since Buff retired and Trouba left
• Seattle - Francis drafted defensemen in the first round every year in CAR and is known to build from the back. Also rumored to be a potential destination for Keith
• Calgary - Could lose Giordano in expansion and Valimakki has had serious injury issues
• Boston - Rumored to be after OEL
• Vancouver - See Boston, also rumored for Keith
• Carolina - Could lose Hamilton and potentially Bean/Skjei in expansion
• Edmonton - Klefbom injury and could lose Barrie
• Detroit - Yzerman traded for Sergachev while in TB and they need prime contributors at every position
• Buffalo - Need upgrades at every position
• Columbus - Losing Jones
• Ducks - Rebuilding/retooling, rumored to be thinking of trading Lindholm/Manson to get younger
• Arizona - Looking to move OEL, need to get younger
• Ottawa - Stacked with assets just like us and needs to get better to insulate the rebuild
• Toronto - Need defensive depth, especially if it's cost-controlled as Reilly could price himself out of staying

@Herby said it best when he said many of the offers for Sergachev were out of Pawn Stars and would be bid up by at least 5-10 teams.

 

[KINGS17]

My druthers...

Kempe - Kopitar - Kaliyev/Kupari (the Bad Optics line)

Iafallo - Byfield - Moore
Arvidsson - Vilardi - Andersson
Grundstrom (Gunderson) - JAD - Lemieux/Brown

Not ideal, but I would rather see a kid get experience on the top line than another round of Brown. If you can add a Reinhart or other high end RW, terrific. Hoping Turcotte makes it, or makes sending him down as difficult a decision as possible.

Bottom line, is that this upcoming season needs to be the one where the kids up front need to separate themselves from the pack. There are too many bodies deserving of a look, somebody needs to stand up and make their spot permanent or the next guy gets his chance.

Brown needs to announce that this will be his final year, there is no room going forward and the good will circuit will be a positive in what looks to be another year of struggles.

Kempe needs to figure out who he is and cement a position, or he can be dealt.

I agree with you on Brown, and if he has a decent season and wants to play in the playoffs one more time Blake should make it happen, if there are any takers. When his season is over he can work for the Kings in some capacity. Maybe he will be replacing Robitaille in a few years, because it's the Kings' way.

 

[KINGS17]

Has there ever been a time when so many teams who want to win now are in Cap hell? Tampa's window will be open for a few more years. Sergachev is the one major asset that 1) has no NTC/NMC clause 2) Has 2 great players (McDonagh and Hedman) who play his position and are immovable 3) can bring back a major haul that can keep the team in contention for a long time. He is basically a surplus asset that they would hate to give up but can afford to do so if the price is right.

I really don't see Tampa moving Sergachev. Tampa has too many players with NTCs, and an NTC can help a player decide where he is going to be traded, but not many players stick around when the GM makes it clear you are no longer needed.

 

[KINGS17]

Good post.

The problem is people are making Pawn Stars type offers for him (same with Eichel), forgetting that the Kings aren't the only team in the league. I think Sergachev is wee bit overrated on this forum but there would still be at minimum 5-10 teams who would be in on him, so no he's not being traded straight up for Mikey Anderson or for Tyler Madden and draft pick.

 

[Peter James Bond III]

John Hoven saying we'll be trying Kurtis MacDermid as a forward next season.

If MacD played about 4 more games at the end, Kings would be picking 5th or 6th and be able to get Clarke or possibly Hughes, Eklund.

 

[kilowatt]

And going over the salary cap. The value on the 1st 2 trades isn’t bad but the Theodore 1 is so bad for Vegas.

So I tried to make it work with the cap and this is how it played out:

Eichel for Brown, Maatta, Turcotte, Bjornfot, and LA's first round picks in 2021 and 2023.
Tarasenko and Dunn for Walker, Kupari, Fagemo, and St. Louis' 2021 2nd round pick (back).
Jarry and Pittsburgh's 2021 2nd for Quick at $1.8 million retained.
Sign Dougie Hamilton to a 7-year, $6.8 million contract (that's all the money we had left).
Sign Dunn to a 4-year, $4 million contract.

Arvidsson - Kopitar - Kaliyev
Kempe - Eichel - Vilardi
Iafallo - Byfield - Tarasenko
Grundstrom - JAD - Lizotte

Dunn - Doughty
Anderson - Hamilton
Clague - Roy
MacDermid

Petersen
Jarry

$29,470 left in cap space.

Theodore was in fact unrealistic. If we retained less on Quick, we could sign Hamilton to a bigger contract. Not sure what Dunn realistically gets. Didn't factor in Moore or Lemieux.

Just a fun little thought exercise on how to make the Kings a contender overnight.

 

[FSL KINGS]

John Hoven saying we'll be trying Kurtis MacDermid as a forward next season.

Beat me to it! Love this idea. May not work. Should be entertaining!

Edit: Tampa Bay, best thing for them is to keep Point, Stamkos, Kucherov, Hedman, McDonuts, Sergachev, & the Goalie together. Patch the rest & make it work.

If Johnson is too expensive to move trade players like Killorn, Palat, Cirelli. Hold those assets & pick up players at the deadline.

 

[Legionnaire]

So I tried to make it work with the cap and this is how it played out:

Eichel for Brown, Maatta, Turcotte, Bjornfot, and LA's first round picks in 2021 and 2023.
Tarasenko and Dunn for Walker, Kupari, Fagemo, and St. Louis' 2021 2nd round pick (back).
Jarry and Pittsburgh's 2021 2nd for Quick at $1.8 million retained.
Sign Dougie Hamilton to a 7-year, $6.8 million contract (that's all the money we had left).
Sign Dunn to a 4-year, $4 million contract.

Arvidsson - Kopitar - Kaliyev
Kempe - Eichel - Vilardi
Iafallo - Byfield - Tarasenko
Grundstrom - JAD - Lizotte

Dunn - Doughty
Anderson - Hamilton
Clague - Roy
MacDermid

Petersen
Jarry

$29,470 left in cap space.

Theodore was in fact unrealistic. If we retained less on Quick, we could sign Hamilton to a bigger contract. Not sure what Dunn realistically gets. Didn't factor in Moore or Lemieux.

Just a fun little thought exercise on how to make the Kings a contender overnight.

That team isn't close to a contender.

 

[BigKing]

Wish I could be optimistic about MacD on forward, but even guys like Maroon have hands. I like having MacDermid available, but even at forward I don't think he should be a regular.

But, who knows? Maybe MacDermid has better hands than we think, he just didn't do well scooping pucks off the wall under pressure which is basically the hardest thing today in today's NHL besides score goals. He'll at least be on the other side of that equation playing on the wing.

He's ready to pop in 8 goals, 200 hits.

 

[Reaper45]

He's ready to pop in 8 goals, 200 hits.

How fitting would it be to see him switch to forward and then for the board to fall in love with him?