GDT: 2020-21 IIHF WJC, Edmonton/Red Deer, Canada: 12/25/20 - 1/5/21

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Big night for king prospects.

tucotte and kaliyev with huge games... faber played consistent I thought as well.

kasper seemed to get better as the tournament , he’s a player I didn’t know much about before th tournament that has grown on me.

crazy how many ducks and kings prospects are in the gold medal game tomorrow zegras, turcotte, kaliyev, drysdale , byfield, faber, Spence, thrun, lacombe, colangelo... think I got em all, should be exciting game for both fan bases.

I think for USA to have a chance, turcotte needs to be the best player on the ice(which he is capable of, as show vs Finland). This is the type of game where turcotte will shine throughout his career and make a name for himself like a toews. I’ll say caufield will need to be more of an impact player also.... he’s been pretty quiet all tournament long and it would be a huge boost for him to go off a little.


Good luck to both teams prospects, I root for America but I also don’t mind if drysdale is dominant

 

[SFKingshomer]

You can teach a skill, some are better than others at being creative. The thing you can't teach is consistent work ethic and always wanting to be the best you can be. Turcotte is talented but it's his work ethic and hockey iq that I notice the most. He seems ultra competitive.

 

[LAKings88]

You can teach a skill, some are better than others at being creative. The thing you can't teach is consistent work ethic and always wanting to be the best you can be. Turcotte is talented but it's his work ethic and hockey iq that I notice the most. He seems ultra competitive.

I think this is backwards honestly. You can teach fundamental and work ethic more than creativity and skill. Some have more discipline in their work ethic. A truck is a truck. A Ferrari is a Ferrari.

 

[tbrown33]

I think this is backwards honestly. You can teach fundamental and work ethic more than creativity and skill. Some have more discipline in their work ethic. A truck is a truck. A Ferrari is a Ferrari.

At the risk of getting lost in the semantic weeds here - you can teach a skill but you cant really teach creativity. You cant teach work ethic, but you can yell at someone about it. I think the idea really is that these things are just already ingrained in Turcotte.

 

[SFKingshomer]

At the risk of getting lost in the semantic weeds here - you can teach a skill but you cant really teach creativity. You cant teach work ethic, but you can yell at someone about it. I think the idea really is that these things are just already ingrained in Turcotte.

Exactly. Zegras puts up a shit ton of points due to being more creative than most...just imagine how dominant he would be if he worked like Crosby.

 

[KingsFan7824]

The elite will just be talented and hard working. That's why they're rare. If more people were like Crosby, then Crosby wouldn't be special.

 

[Telos]

Zegras is ridiculous and will definitely score his fair share against us which makes me annoyed that we have to play the Ducks so much in the future, but I am pretty happy with Turcotte. He has all the tools and his leadership and competitiveness will be major assets in any postseason run the Kings find themselves in.

 

[deeshamrock]

That GWG shift was the best I've ever seen Turcotte look, that was incredibly impressive. Props to Arty for the snipe, but holy crap did Turcotte put the work in to make that happen[/QUOTE]



That is what is so exciting to watch, how that internal clock of his never stops. And that is a huge key to his success. He reminds me of Mike Richards, who I saw carry that from Memorial Cup to WJC and then to a Calder Cup in that age range. Couldn't take your eyes off of him and made his linemates better.

Kings have a ridiculous amount of prospects that will make training camp for years a den for hungry wolves.

Could be Vilardi will be the center of those wingers and make a dynamic line.

 

[No Name The Nameless]

You can teach a skill, some are better than others at being creative. The thing you can't teach is consistent work ethic and always wanting to be the best you can be. Turcotte is talented but it's his work ethic and hockey iq that I notice the most. He seems ultra competitive.

I think you got that backwards but I live the message nonetheless

 

[bland]

You cannot teach character, you bring that with you to the game. Skills can be honed, but work ethic is engrained in a person. That doesn't stay behind on the ice, it leaves the rink with you.

 

[KopitarFAN]

I've heard in the last few games, but I like the ROR comp for Turcotte, he's tough and plays a good two-way game, but not a superstar in the traditional sense.

 

[DrHansReinhardt]

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I think we need to start a campaign to get Stephen Nelson to replace Faust. Who's with me?!?

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

ES point leaders so far in this tournament.

Cozens: 10
Zegras: 8
Turcotte: 7
Farinacci: 7
Tomasino: 6
Krebs: 6
Newhook: 6
Stuetzle: 6
Elias: 6

 

[KingsFan7824]

Zegras is ridiculous and will definitely score his fair share against us which makes me annoyed that we have to play the Ducks so much in the future, but I am pretty happy with Turcotte. He has all the tools and his leadership and competitiveness will be major assets in any postseason run the Kings find themselves in.

Yeah, meaningful games against the Ducks are just no fun.

I can't wait until both teams are good again. I'll take being annoyed at a loss due to a Zegras OT goal on Kings ice in Game 7 of the 2nd rd, while he makes Petersen, Bjornfot, and Turcotte look stupid on highlight reels for the next 20 years, over the total apathy of the last few years.

 

[Mats26]

Turk went into beast mode yesterday. Best 5 on 5 player on the ice.
Cozens, Lundell and Turk have been the best 2-way players in this tourney.

 

[Matt13]

I think we need to start a campaign to get Stephen Nelson to replace Faust. Who's with me?!?

.....The Germans?

I think Nelson is doing a helluva job.

 

[Schmooley]

I looked at the main boards world juniors thread to see if others are impressed by Turcotte. More people dont like him than like him haha. I dont understand it because the kid is playing really good hockey. How can you deny it?
I get the Zegras lovefest hes a phenomenal talent but the last two games he hasnt even looked as good and nobody talks about it. He took a hard hit and has been less effective which happens to players that have his skillset that make use of every split second of timing.
Cant convince people that Turcotte is good so it wouldnt surprise me if he spends his whole career like Toews where he leads his team to championships but hes overrated and its all Patrick Kane.

 

[funky]

I looked at the main boards world juniors thread to see if others are impressed by Turcotte. More people dont like him than like him haha. I dont understand it because the kid is playing really good hockey. How can you deny it?
I get the Zegras lovefest hes a phenomenal talent but the last two games he hasnt even looked as good and nobody talks about it. He took a hard hit and has been less effective which happens to players that have his skillset that make use of every split second of timing.
Cant convince people that Turcotte is good so it wouldnt surprise me if he spends his whole career like Toews where he leads his team to championships but hes overrated and its all Patrick Kane.

I will gladly let Turcotte’s play do the talking. He is becoming a severely underrated prospect in these boards but it’s funny all the scouting services still love him. Toews vs Kane (respect wise) is a great comparison between Turcotte and Zegras. Would love both, both will excel. One just does things a bit sexier than the other but both are wicked prospects

I said it at the start of the tourney. Throw the first 3 games out as some off these guys have not seen action in almost a year. I will also say throw out any game against the big 5 as some countries couldn’t beat a team consisting of players not making the US or Canada roster. The Germans and Swedes played short handed.

Start looking at what happened after the round robin finished. The bigger games, the better teams and players that now have a bit of hockey under there belts. It is a better comparison and our boys on the US have shone. Turcotte has been a beast. Kaliyev has been getting better every game as well. Faber came in with games under his belt and it showed.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

At the risk of getting lost in the semantic weeds here - you can teach a skill but you cant really teach creativity. You cant teach work ethic, but you can yell at someone about it. I think the idea really is that these things are just already ingrained in Turcotte.

Will never forget the story of him breaking sticks on teammates at practice. Anyone that's that willing to go so hard at teammates is on another level

I looked at the main boards world juniors thread to see if others are impressed by Turcotte. More people dont like him than like him haha. I dont understand it because the kid is playing really good hockey. How can you deny it?
I get the Zegras lovefest hes a phenomenal talent but the last two games he hasnt even looked as good and nobody talks about it. He took a hard hit and has been less effective which happens to players that have his skillset that make use of every split second of timing.
Cant convince people that Turcotte is good so it wouldnt surprise me if he spends his whole career like Toews where he leads his team to championships but hes overrated and its all Patrick Kane.

It's simple. Visible flash vs. behind-the-scenes driving. That, and people made up their minds on Zegras last year when he made a spinaround pass, and they made up their minds on Turcotte because of 10 games in the middle of a shit season at Wisco. They're dug in and committed to "Zegras is the next Kane, Turcotte sucks." Plus you have three super ignorant Ducks fans driving it and that ain't gonna stop. It's been a lot easier to just not engage with the people who will not open their minds on prospects. I recommend staying away from anything labeled "Byfield," there are even a few posters suggesting he's do not draft. Complete, overriding, box-score-driven ignorance. It is what it is.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

We really need to care less about what the imbeciles on these boards think.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

We really need to care less about what the imbeciles on these boards think.

I agree. I'm just illustrating that it's very apparent who is providing good, evidence-based info (viewings, critiques, etc.) versus who is just providing bullshit hot takes. The prospect threads as a whole aren't a good source of info these days. It's just turf wars and WJC box score auditing. But it's sometimes worth sifting through and finding some diamonds in there from posters who also refuse to engage with the tripe. I'd just take it all with a grain of salt and mostly keep it to our board.

 

[Pandaman11]

Well that was a sexy game for Kings fans

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Will never forget the story of him breaking sticks on teammates at practice. Anyone that's that willing to go so hard at teammates is on another level






It's simple. Visible flash vs. behind-the-scenes driving. That, and people made up their minds on Zegras last year when he made a spinaround pass, and they made up their minds on Turcotte because of 10 games in the middle of a shit season at Wisco. They're dug in and committed to "Zegras is the next Kane, Turcotte sucks." Plus you have three super ignorant Ducks fans driving it and that ain't gonna stop. It's been a lot easier to just not engage with the people who will not open their minds on prospects. I recommend staying away from anything labeled "Byfield," there are even a few posters suggesting he's do not draft. Complete, overriding, box-score-driven ignorance. It is what it is.

Im going to be honest i might have those particular fans cause i havnt noticed it oh too much

I get tired of the constant competition between prospects across the league.... Theres as good a chance for any of these players to end up the best in their groupings.

Drysdale vs Byram/Sanderson
Zegras vs Turcotte/Cozens/Dach (basically any center prospect)

Its too early to make definite opinions on these players... and a lot of them are so stylistically different and their games will change when they go pro. Just based on the centers... Turcotte is easily the highest floor because he plays a complete game(and thats not a knock on guys like zegras/cozens/dach etc... but turcottes full rink game is on a different level), and that will prob be the easiest to translate into a pro game.

Personally for me i think all the prospects are exciting and cant wait to see where all of them end up.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Im going to be honest i might have those particular fans cause i havnt noticed it oh too much

I get tired of the constant competition between prospects across the league.... Theres as good a chance for any of these players to end up the best in their groupings.

Drysdale vs Byram/Sanderson
Zegras vs Turcotte/Cozens/Dach (basically any center prospect)

Its too early to make definite opinions on these players... and a lot of them are so stylistically different and their games will change when they go pro. Just based on the centers... Turcotte is easily the highest floor because he plays a complete game(and thats not a knock on guys like zegras/cozens/dach etc... but turcottes full rink game is on a different level), and that will prob be the easiest to translate into a pro game.

Personally for me i think all the prospects are exciting and cant wait to see where all of them end up.

Haha it's definitely not you.

And to be clear I have zero problem with people having even strong opinions on players especially those that were drafted several slots apart. It's not the raw "Zegras > Turcotte" opinion in and of itself that's any kind of offensive. It's, as you say, the definite opinions, and the ones that aren't based on really anything other than 'we drafted this guy so i'm dug in.'

And also as you say I don't see how anyone can really dislike any of them at this point. I'm extremely low on Sanderson compared to most people but 1. it's still so stupid early and 2. I can have my mind changed no problem, I'm not invested in being 'right,' I'm wrong a whole hell of a lot of the time. Hell that should see be seen as a plus for Jake at this point! There are just a handful of posters dug in on allegiance wrecking discussion for the rest of us.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Haha it's definitely not you.

And to be clear I have zero problem with people having even strong opinions on players especially those that were drafted several slots apart. It's not the raw "Zegras > Turcotte" opinion in and of itself that's any kind of offensive. It's, as you say, the definite opinions, and the ones that aren't based on really anything other than 'we drafted this guy so i'm dug in.'

And also as you say I don't see how anyone can really dislike any of them at this point. I'm extremely low on Sanderson compared to most people but 1. it's still so stupid early and 2. I can have my mind changed no problem, I'm not invested in being 'right,' I'm wrong a whole hell of a lot of the time. Hell that should see be seen as a plus for Jake at this point! There are just a handful of posters dug in on allegiance wrecking discussion for the rest of us.

The funny one to me is byfield, I really just dont get the byfield hate(i get he hasnt really been as productive as youd like for team canada, but he hasnt looked bad on the ice)
To me out of every prospect in the league... Byfield has the highest ceiling. He is still young/raw but man the amount of potential he has and what he can become when he gets used to using his body better is scary. i went back and fourth between stutzle and Byfield all draft long... and i always went back on not being able to pass up Byfields potential.

6'4 220, prob still growing as a young 18 year old.... Athletic skilled and fast... hes going to be a lot to handle. To me your looking at potentially the next Malkin/Draisitl. I just think what is poor little drysdale supposed to do in the future when Byfield comes at him.