Prospect Info: 2020-2021 Senators Prospect Watch - Part 3

[Masked]

That says a lot about our scouts.

What an idiotic take. One pick defines our scouts?

 

[FunkySeeFunkyDoo]

Which they did. JBD was their guy. Dorion wanted to trade down again from 26 but the scout(s) were afraid of losing their guy.

Way too early to decide on whether JBD or Miller will be better. Way too early to even close the book on Tychonick. These are very young players.

Isn't it likely that the org has given up on Tychonick? I'd have thought that if they still liked him at all they would have signed him after this past season.

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

Yes it is too early; however, Miller is advancing upwards while the Senators picks are declining or stagnant.

How is JBD stagnant or declining?

 

[Cosmix]

How is JBD stagnant or declining?

Tychonick is declining in perceived value whereas JBD is stagnant, not increasing his perceived value, compared to Miller who is already playing in the NHL and was recently named to the NHL All Rookie Team.

 

[Dan Patrick]

Tychonick is declining in perceived value whereas JBD is stagnant, not increasing his perceived value, compared to Miller who is already playing in the NHL and was recently named to the NHL All Rookie Team.

Come on, JBD was just one of the top defencemen on one of the best college teams in North America and has played 5! games in the NHL. Perhaps we should give JBD an actual season in the NHL before saying he's stagnant as a prospect. Miller is 6 months older than JBD and just got to play his season with the eventual Norris winner this year as his partner. JBD will likely play as the teams third RD next year as we have significantly more veterans on our defence than the Rangers. They aren't really comparable but to say JBD is stagnant as a prospect is ridiculous.

 

[aragorn]

Tychonick is declining in perceived value whereas JBD is stagnant, not increasing his perceived value, compared to Miller who is already playing in the NHL and was recently named to the NHL All Rookie Team.

I don't think JBD is stagnant, that might just be a perceived notion on here because there are a number of other prospects that people on here may like better. He had a good yr at UND & got to go overseas to represent Canada which bodes well for him. I think JBD likely starts next season in Belleville because Ottawa already has Zaitsev, Zub & J. Brown, all experienced NHL defencemen.

After a number of games or after the first injury at RD JBD or Thomson could be called up to fill in & hopefully stick for a while. Both could also be the guys next yr going back & forth, but Thomson has a pro yr under his belt in Belleville which could put him slightly ahead at the beginning anyway. Until J. Brown is moved at the TDL the competition for that 3rd pairing RD will be up in the air, but I expect that Thomson & JBD will both be given an opportunity to see which guy is more NHL ready.

 

[Cosmix]

I don't think JBD is stagnant, that might just be a perceived notion on here because there are a number of other prospects that people on here may like better. He had a good yr at UND & got to go overseas to represent Canada which bodes well for him. I think JBD likely starts next season in Belleville because Ottawa already has Zaitsev, Zub & J. Brown, all experienced NHL defencemen.

After a number of games or after the first injury at RD he should JBD or Thomson could be called up to fill in & hopefully stick for a while. Both could also be the guys next yr going back & forth, but Thomson has a pro yr under his belt in Belleville which could put him slightly ahead at the beginning anyway. Until J. Brown is moved at the TDL the competition for that 3rd pairing RD will be up in the air, but I expect that Thomson & JBD will both be given an opportunity to see which guy is more NHL ready.

I generally agree but I was drawing a comparison with K'Andre Miller who was the player NYR drafted with our pick via trade for the JBD-T picks and who has developed into a pretty good NHL level defenseman last season. I think Miller is going to turn out better than the JBD-Tychonick picks.

 

[SlapJack]

Any defenceman playing in the NHL at 20 years old should not be considered stagnant. People don't realize how rare that is, they just see the ones that do and think it's commonplace. There may have been 10 guys under 21 who had a regular role on D in all of the NHL.

And whenever you see a team trading down and then critique that they missed out on the player that was picked, you also have to remember that they were never going to pick that player. Right or wrong, they didn't like the guy.

Best example I can think of there is Tarasenko. Ottawa wasn't picking a Russian so they used that pick to get a decent prospect. He didn't pan out but again, they never would have picked Tarasenko

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

K'Andre Miller looked like he was regressing too until he stepped into the NHL.

Defenders like JBD, swiss army knife type, normally don't seem valuable until they play string of games in the league because normally they dont dominate in their junior or college careers because of their style of play.

 

[Sweatred]

K'Andre Miller looked like he was regressing too until he stepped into the NHL.

Defenders like JBD, swiss army knife type, normally don't seem valuable until they play string of games in the league because normally they dont dominate in their junior or college careers because of their style of play.

I’m far from a JBD fan but I was a little more optimistic after his brief stint in Ottawa … that being said a 3D in the NCAA has a long way to go before he’s a 4D in the NHL and the notion he is close to a 2D over guys like Z or Z is plain silly.

 

[BondraTime]

I’m far from a JBD fan but I was a little more optimistic after his brief stint in Ottawa … that being said a 3D in the NCAA has a long way to go before he’s a 4D in the NHL and the notion he is close to a 2D over guys like Z or Z is plain silly.

He was a #1 D in the NCAA that happened to play on a team with two other top 5 D in the NCAA, and he was the 2nd most used D on ND, the most used at even strength.

Calling him a 3D in the NCAA is extremely, extremely disingenuous.

Miller finished 2nd in ice time the year prior to the NHL in the NCAA, same as JBD did. He was nowhere near as good a D in the NCAA as JBD was.

 

[Sweatred]

He was a #1 D in the NCAA that happened to play on a team with two other top 5 D in the NCAA, and he was the 2nd most used D on ND, the most used at even strength.

Calling him a 3D in the NCAA is extremely, extremely disingenuous.

Miller finished 2nd in ice time the year prior to the NHL in the NCAA, same as JBD did. He was nowhere near as good a D in the NCAA as JBD was.

The point is Sanderson had passed him .. no one thinks Sanderson is coming in as a 2D either. I acknowledge he isn’t a NCAA league wide 3D but he’s not a NHL 2D next year. Pump those breaks. He’s probably not even an AHL 2D next year.

 

[BondraTime]

The point is Sanderson had passed him .. no one thinks Sanderson is coming in as a 2D otherwise. I acknowledge he isn’t a NCAA league wide 3D but he’s not a NHL 2D next year. Pump those breaks. He’s probably not even an AHL 2D next year.

Sanderson never passed him. JBD played more minutes all season, and played more minutes in the final 4 OT game on the season.

I don’t think he’s a top 2 D next year, I don’t think he’s ever going to be a #2. I haven’t seen anyone saying JBD is coming in as a #2 D.

I’d imagine he’s the top D in the AHL and in the NHL by Christmas.

 

[Sweatred]

I don’t think he’s a top 2 D next year, I don’t think he’s ever going to be a #2. I haven’t seen anyone saying JBD is coming in as a #2 D.

I’d imagine he’s the top D in the AHL and in the NHL by Christmas.

Than you’ve missed what I was responding too…

Our eval’s on him prob are not that far off … I’m just more conservative. I think he’s going to a struggle in his own end, below the goal line and in front of the net.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

More hot takes. JBD is a good player. Steady D that will be able at some point to play on any pairing. He can play the steady eddy reliable D that can play 1st pair like Methot did complementing the #1 PMD and offensive D man.. He can play 2nd pair in a more defensive shut down role and he can play .. 3rd pair while he gains strength, experience and grows his game. I'd expect if he's our legit 3rd pairing guy on the right side in a couple years we will be in very good shape on the right side. I am still disappointed that the club never took more time to extend Zub 2-3 more years over the 2 they did. I think Zub , JBD anchoring down the right side would be what we should be looking forward to.

 

[Xspyrit]

I think a good comparison for what JBD could become is Ryan McDonagh

Now let's see if people read before reacting! I'm not saying he'll ever be as good, but kinda play the same "safe way" and same role, but more as a #3-4 D than a #1-2 D

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

I think a good comparison for what JBD could become is Ryan McDonagh

Now let's see if people read before reacting! I'm not saying he'll ever be as good, but kinda play the same "safe way" and same role, but more as a #3-4 D than a #1-2 D

That's quite optimistic. For starters, McDonagh was firmly a number 1 defender for multiple seasons with a couple Norris candidate performances.

I am unsure if JBD has that ceiling. I think they have different capabilities. McDonagh has 20 pounds on JBD which he uses to be astute defensively, I don't know if JBD's frame will allow him to have the same build. McDonagh also a terrific skater and JBD needs to definitely work on his first steps. I agree on your projection of JBD. I think he can be a number 2 to a great number 1 as well and not be out of place at all.

I hope he can have an impact of someone like Adam Pelech for us. Or prime Johnny Oduya.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

If we’re talking about McDonagh, Sanderson fits that comparison very well.

 

[BondraTime]

Hoping JBD can become a Chris Tanev.

 

[Xspyrit]

That's quite optimistic. For starters, McDonagh was firmly a number 1 defender for multiple seasons with a couple Norris candidate performances.

I am unsure if JBD has that ceiling. I think they have different capabilities. McDonagh has 20 pounds on JBD which he uses to be astute defensively, I don't know if JBD's frame will allow him to have the same build. McDonagh also a terrific skater and JBD needs to definitely work on his first steps. I agree on your projection of JBD. I think he can be a number 2 to a great number 1 as well and not be out of place at all.

I hope he can have an impact of someone like Adam Pelech for us. Or prime Johnny Oduya.

"Now let's see if people read before reacting!" : Looks like you got caught

What I said after was pretty clear :

I'm not saying he'll ever be as good, but kinda play the same "safe way" and same role, but more as a #3-4 D than a #1-2 D

#3-4 D : JBD
#1-2 D : McDonald's

I basically said JBD could play a similar style BUT from the 2nd pairing. I love JBD, don't think he'll ever be as good as McDonagh is even NOW, so for sure not in his prime. A prime Oduya or even Pelech would be very good outcome.

To rectify, I'm NOT projecting him to be a #1-2, I'm projecting him to be a #3-4. If I had him as a top pair, I would have voted him higher in the u-25 polls

#1-2 : Chabot, Sanderson
#3-4 : Zub, Brannstrom, JBD, Kleven?
#5-6 : Thomson, Guenette

I hope they are targetting some D-men in this draft. I'd draft a forward at #10 (unless someone falls of course) and 2 D-men in the 2nd round (unless can't pass on forward)

 

[Cosmix]

Any defenceman playing in the NHL at 20 years old should not be considered stagnant. People don't realize how rare that is, they just see the ones that do and think it's commonplace. There may have been 10 guys under 21 who had a regular role on D in all of the NHL.

And whenever you see a team trading down and then critique that they missed out on the player that was picked, you also have to remember that they were never going to pick that player. Right or wrong, they didn't like the guy.

Best example I can think of there is Tarasenko. Ottawa wasn't picking a Russian so they used that pick to get a decent prospect. He didn't pan out but again, they never would have picked Tarasenko

Not picking players who were ranked and rated higher than what they did pick, and who subsequently turn out to be better than who the Senators did pick, is not a good argument for saying their scouts are smarter or better than other teams' scouts.

 

[Cosmix]

To me, JBD looks like Zub. Good to very good defensively with good to very good skating skills, but lacking in offensive skills and not very physical. That looks like a second pair defenseman, not a top 2.

Chabot looks like a top pair D with a few defensive warts (not physical and a bit of a risk taker). Sanderson looks like a top 2 in the making with stronger defensive skills than Chabot, good offensive skills but perhaps not quite at Chabot's level. Time will tell the story.

 

[Samsquanch]

What an idiotic take. One pick defines our scouts?

You must be relatively new here or be forgetful. One move (a bad one*) can take a lifetime of homeruns to make up for it. Maybe never, if some of us are being honest with ourselves.

How is JBD stagnant or declining?

I mean the kid hast played in over 2 months now....Hes literally the definition of stagnant. I guess we'll see how far his play has slipped next season, maybe not much. But all signs are saying this could get pretty ugly for him....

Sure he looked fantastic in the 5 games he played, and looked as polished as any rookie dman we've drafted in last several years did. But fast forward 2 months, and hes doing his best attempt to be like Casper, and is in full on ghost mode. Meanwhile we have precious gems like Sokolov doing Russian themed update videos for us, for free fwiw.....DJ surely sees them and that kind of off season dedication, even if you guys dont.

In a what have you done for me lately business like the NHL, JBD is giving us no shortage of reasons to overlook and forget him. And hes going to get leapfrogged by guys like Sokolov and Greig on the coaches depth chart if he doesnt figure out a way to increase his personal brand in a big way soon. Hes like a freshly baked pie but without the filing. Just a cluster flakes shaped like a proper pie......

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

 

[SensontheRush]

Remember that game against CGY where JBD was the only one who showed up?