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JBD isn’t an NHL defender . It’s the weakest part of his game. He won’t be a good defensive Dman until he becomes good at defending . Ringette line back he’s the opposite of Zub.
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JBD isn’t an NHL defender . It’s the weakest part of his game. He won’t be a good defensive Dman until he becomes good at defending . Ringette line back he’s the opposite of Zub.
He is not at this time but I hope he can become one, and a decent one. His history so far indicates he has a decent probability of becoming one but might need some time in the AHL.
I am not ruling him out.
He was more highly rated than JBD for the draft.
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Me too … I like the prospect but he needs to get stronger and it’s fair to acknowledge that part of his game has stagnated. He’s going to have to put in the work. His fancy edge work won’t be enough to get him playing time if he is a liability around his net.
I also think that the undervalued/under appreciated Thomson is better in those areas.
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I have not seen Thomson perform at the AHL level yet so I am glad to hear your positive view on him. I do not like to count younger players out too soon as they develop at different rates, so I was hoping he would show improvement in his game. Hopefully Logan Brown will put on a show at the next Senators prospects camp, training camp and pre-season to earn a place on the team.
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Figured as much. Let him play a year in the SHL and see how he fares. We have lots of guys in Belleville to play.
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JBD vs Miller was just us going for the safe upside player vs the guy with massive potential like we always do.
JBD should be a versatile 2nd pair guy. Miller is still tracking well to be a dynamic top pair guy.
JBD should be a versatile 2nd pair guy. Miller is still tracking well to be a dynamic top pair guy.
I always thought it was because we needed a right handed D, whereas Miller is left.
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You know who else was rated way above JBD in that list? Jonny Tychonick.
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That’s an awful projection for Miller. He was never projected to be that. What are you talking about?
Yes he was on that list:
24. K'andre Miller
33. Jonny Tychonick
48. JBD
On Bob McKenzie's list:
24. Miller
46. JBD
50. Tychonik
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Projected by who? Everyone should be able to see the top pair upside in Miller.
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I don’t agree but even if true, you’re acting like this was his projection at the draft
So you see top pair upside in Miller but not top like upside in tkachuk. Horrendous takes by you lately
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Good players are available after the top 10 of every draft.
I never said Tkachuk doesn't have top line upside. He is going to be a complimentary top line player. Miller himself will probably be a #2/#3 rather than a #1.
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He looked great at the NHL level during his showing this year.
Brady is already about the opposite of a complimentary player in his very essence. He isn’t best suited to skate the puck in, but to call him complimentary in any way is strange. Most team’s have guys who are designated to skate the puck in, because they are good at it, but Brady is tasked with puck retrieval on our dump in plays. He makes plays, he shoots, and dumping the puck behind the net on the cycle for Brady to get is a set play for us. You are on an island in your overall evaluation of Brady and his value on the ice in my opinion. Basically just flat out wrong.
What Brady is doing on the ice at any given moment is a flashpoint for the other team as well as our own, that is not a complimentary player. He’s not floating through soft spots with his stick in the air waiting for a one timer.
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Complimentary doesn't feel right as a descriptor for Brady, but I also don't see him as a guy that can take over on his own.
I think of him as a force multiplier; he will open up space for other guys to do their thing, drag guys into the thick of the battle and generally makes everyone around him better, but doesn't drive play on his own the way some other top talents can, his strength is in creating an environment where everyone can chip in as a 5 man unit.
I thought JBD looked good (not very good or excellent). It was his first game so I did not expect to see anything more than I did see, considering his age, lack of pro experience and perhaps him trying very hard not to make any mistakes and get beaten, rather than being fully comfortable and confident in his skills at the NHL level at this Time.
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JBD was soooooo far from “Great” in the NHL this year. (Or world championship). He has some nice tools in his game but it’s full of weaknesses too.
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I think Tkachuks underrated because he plays a dump and chase style versus a carry style, but if you measure how often a player gets the puck in the zone and the amount of time the puck gets to a high-danger area, I suspect Tkachuk would be quite hit. Getting the puck into the zone is important, but getting the puck off of the perimeter is important too.
If Tkachuk was a better puck-handler & skater, he'd be Crosby level. He's obviously not that and never will be, but I think he could be quite productive & effective regardless of who he is playing with.
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Tkachuk can absolutely take games on his own, we seen glimpses of that but not consistently because
1) He is still young and huge part of his game relies on physical dominance and he has not come close to maturation yet
2) His game would be maximized with better players on his line and thus far he has been arguably most "skilled" player on his line many nights
Tkachuk is no where near his finished "state", and I expect him to evolve into a feared power forward who can do a little bit of everything, especially in the offensive zone.
However, a large part of that is also still just "potential" vs some concrete skill some other youngsters around the league have already demonstrated at a much higher, or more consistent, level than Brady.
1) He is still young and huge part of his game relies on physical dominance and he has not come close to maturation yet
2) His game would be maximized with better players on his line and thus far he has been arguably most "skilled" player on his line many nights
Tkachuk is no where near his finished "state", and I expect him to evolve into a feared power forward who can do a little bit of everything, especially in the offensive zone.
However, a large part of that is also still just "potential" vs some concrete skill some other youngsters around the league have already demonstrated at a much higher, or more consistent, level than Brady.
Sure, no question. But we need to also acknowledge the concrete ‘skills’ that Brady has already demonstrated that those other guys haven’t, in as consistent or at as high of a level as he has. The kid led the league in a handful of key league stats, and folks in here act like it’s nothing. Or worse, because he lacks skill (like his SOG stat that a couple people attack).
Brady can and likely will close the gap on some of those skills that some other top youngsters around the league have, but the same can’t really be said the other way.
It’s what makes Brady special the league over.
In the end guys that are undervaluing Brady are still having to use the top tier young players around the league to diminish him, that in itself says a lot.
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No one is undervaluing, lol. 8 million dollars is in the company of bonafide PROVEN star or superstar players. Brady WILL become that but to justify he deserves it already is entirely false.
Does he deserve it because we would prefer to get him signed and he has more leverage and is looking like the next captain and face of the franchise? Sure. Does he deserve it off his credentials alone? No; although it's awfully close. I think right above 7 mil is the magic number.
Landeskog is a very good comparable to Tkachuk, though I think Tkachuk will be more impactful. Landeskog, in his prime now, going into UFA years, after having put up PPG+ seasons and already is a captain, might still just yet make 8 mil a year.
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