2019 Training Camp Thread - Pride and Passion

[Ole Gil]

Do you think I don’t know that speed isn’t a cure all? Of course I do. We’re better when we are fast. We were just as good without him playing at his very best, which he so rarely does.

You guys are forgetting the other 5-6 years he’s played for us?

I’m not having a real argument here, before everyone gets all persnickety. We couldn’t trade that contract without a Lucic coming back so it’s completely moot.

I’ve already said it was as a combined effort of replacing Staal that made us better. Getting fussy about Wallmark is picking a point I’m not defending. I was comparing speed with Wallmark. He’s faster in tight spaces. That’s all I said. I said we were better as soon as the collection of players got bigger roles in his absence.

When Jordan came back, he had 17 points in 21 games, and was a +17.

While he was out, Wallmark had 10 in 29, -2. Bishop 1 in 5, -1. McKegg, 9 in 23 + 2. Manaleinen 7 in 23, -1.

I think the problem is you're focusing on Staal going out, rather than the goalies hitting their strides, Faulk and Hamilton starting to score, and Aho putting the team on his back, and Niederetter hitting the ground running.

The guys who replaced Staal just didn't lose games. The other guys in the lineup won games despite them. I think your faster play angle is imagined.

When Staal came back, he averaged almost +1 a game to close out the season while Aho was struggling with his knee. If you think Wallmark and company could have done that, I think you're very mistaken.

 

[My Special Purpose]

Priskie got hurt. Roddy didn't have any good news.

 

[bleedgreen]

I love you guys. I’m saying he’s slow, and a decent player. I think his contract isn’t Lucic unmovable but it would be painful. I do believe a faster player would suit us better even if he wasn’t as great at face offs or have such a defensive presence. I think he’s exactly the player he’s been the whole time, and will only really occasionally be guy he was in the playoffs/late season and we pay him to be that guy much more than that. I think you guys go a little overboard in adoring him after this past playoffs, though I get being high off of that.

I don’t hate the man, he’s a good guy. We could just be doing better with his spot. We aren’t going to do better with his spot because we couldn’t trade him for anything we want or need more than him. I’m sure a lot of you will say, “I’ll take Staal at 40 pts with all the amazing other things he does.” I say meh but ok to that. There’s no need for actual emotion. It’s a discussion.

I’ll like him a little better if Haula knocks him down a spot. I think he’s a black hole the majority of the time with high skill guys.

 

[bleedgreen]

When Jordan came back, he had 17 points in 21 games, and was a +17.

While he was out, Wallmark had 10 in 29, -2. Bishop 1 in 5, -1. McKegg, 9 in 23 + 2. Manaleinen 7 in 23, -1.

I think the problem is you're focusing on Staal going out, rather than the goalies hitting their strides, Faulk and Hamilton starting to score, and Aho putting the team on his back, and Niederetter hitting the ground running.

The guys who replaced Staal just didn't lose games. The other guys in the lineup won games despite them. I think your faster play angle is imagined.

When Staal came back, he averaged almost +1 a game to close out the season while Aho was struggling with his knee. If you think Wallmark and company could have done that, I think you're very mistaken.

I think the team showed us exactly what it could do without him. It doesn’t matter whether or not we think or don’t think there’s a correlation. I myself thought we would sink a bit. We soared. We can win without him, and I see his spot as a good one to upgrade. As I’ve said, it’s not going to happen.

 

[Ole Gil]

I think the team showed us exactly what it could do without him. It doesn’t matter whether or not we think or don’t think there’s a correlation. I myself thought we would sink a bit. We soared. We can win without him, and I see his spot as a good would to upgrade. As I’ve said, it’s not going to happen.

They can win for a little while without him, if the goalies are pitching shutouts every other game, and Aho is scoring at a 100 point pace. But they can't win that way over 82 games, because Mrazek/Mac are not Prime Hasek, and Aho is not a 100+ player over 82 games.

I think it'd be fair to say they couldn't have won without him the final 20 games as well, while Aho was playing hurt.

Overall, I think you underestimate the value of a 45-50 point guy who takes all the tough matchups, and tilts the ice the other way against the Malkin, Tavares, McDavid, etc... every night.

 

[bleedgreen]

They can win for a little while without him, if the goalies are pitching shutouts every other game, and Aho is scoring at a 100 point pace. But they can't win that way over 82 games, because Mrazek/Mac are not Prime Hasek, and Aho is not a 100+ player over 82 games.

I think it'd be fair to say they couldn't have won without him the final 20 games as well, while Aho was playing hurt.

Overall, I think you underestimate the value of a 45-50 point guy who takes all the tough matchups, and tilts the ice the other way against the Malkin, Tavares, McDavid, etc... every night.

I don’t think I do. I get it, I’m saying I don’t love him as much as others do and your opinion was the obvious response. I definitely see the value that’s there in the guy. I also think the responsibilities can be handed out to others with at least equal effectiveness. I’ve always liked his strength, during his time with us I’ve struggled with his use of it.

 

[GoldiFox]

didn't see mentioned. Priskie is week-to-week:



Even with the Priskie injury it is interesting that the Canes are adding yet another NHL D (to PTO).

 

[HisIceness]

Even with the Priskie injury it is interesting that the Canes are adding yet another NHL D (to PTO).

They did the same thing last year with the 25 y/o from Europe that actually got a 1 year contract, don't remember his name. I think they'll be adding D-men PTOs forever.

But yeah, I get your point.

 

[GoldiFox]

They did the same thing last year with the 25 y/o from Europe that actually got a 1 year contract, don't remember his name. I think they'll be adding D-men PTOs forever.

But yeah, I get your point.

Michael Fora last year. Jakub Nakedlol (Nakladal) a couple years ago.

Always good to have competition. Rangers fans said Claesson was a good #6 last year. Has to suck if you are Fleury, Forsling, Bean, etc. but the roster spot will go to the best man so they just need to step their game up.

 

[HisIceness]

This is the guy I was thinking of



I think he ended up going back to his home country half-way through the season, but never a bad thing to have a guy like this earn a contract. He killed it in the preseason.

 

[NotOpie]

Was at both practices today. A few observations:

8:45

- Svechnikov/Staal/Teravainen were together and looked quite good
- McGinn/Wallmark/Martinook were together and looked very, very, very good
- Brock McGinn appears to have picked up a step and Wallmark's skating looked incrementally better as well
- Haydn' Fleury looked fast, confident, very solid and was skating with Justin Faulk; Pesce was skating with Bean
- Svech looks like he is even more confident and was pretty talkative; he's another who looks a step faster
- Teravainen with Svech is going to be a pretty neat thing. Turbo had a number of nice passes
- If I had to guess today, Clark Bishop is our likely 13th forward and he looked like he belongs
- Tough to rate a goalie at these things but, I thought Booth (I think it was Booth) and Reimer both looked pretty good; I just didn't see much of Ned's work so I can't comment
- I think that Pritchard has a chance to be a significant contributor in Charlotte this year; he was visible in a pretty good way
- Geekie had a couple of nice plays and I believe he was paired up w/Pritchard at least for a few drills

10:45

- Niederreiter/Aho/Dzingel skated as the putative top line and they already appear to have chemistry
- I'd say Aho is even a step faster and his shot looked great, but Ryan Dzingel is a f***ing sniper; if that line stays together they are going to be deadly
- Foegele/Haula/Necas skated together and, as expected, that line is so very, very fast; it was exciting to watch
- Haula has a laser of a shot, hard and accurate - I'd say if he's not up to full speed, I'd can't imagine what his full speed would portend
- Necas had a couple of "oops" moments on defense, but overall, he looked bigger, more confident and more skilled; he's still a work in progress though
- Slavin and Dougie looked damn good together; both made a number of nice stick plays
- Slavin is in mid-season form; didn't see him get beat once
- Kuokkanen/Luostarinen/Gauthier represented what might end up being the Checkers top line (unless Geekie plays the pivot) and they looked better than I expected.
- Kooks is fullk recovered and looked very active. Gauthier is a beast and very nearly had a couple of beauty plays (timing to my mind)
- Was pretty impressed with Luostarinen. His skating was very solid, he's bigger than I recalled, and he had an air of confidence about him too.
- Gardiner had two obvious mistakes where he got beat wide, but it appeared that he just wasn't ready for the speed of Foegele and then Necas. After that he made two or three nice defensive efforts; overall he looked pretty good, but, man, dude's got a big head
- Helvig did not look like an AHL goaltender much less an NHLer
- Mrazek was good early, then inconsistent in the middle, and then good late; Forsberg may have been the best of the three; he made it look effortless

While Suzuki made a few nice plays, he's no where near ready to graduate from juniors. Rees and Murray were invisible.

All the NHLers looked like they were big leaguers and the younger guys looked younger. Not necessarily out-classed, just a step below. You can see the guys who have already had some development at a higher level. There were clearly 3 separate skill levels - NHL, AHL, CHL.

In general, Roddy worked the guys hard and they felt even faster than last season. If it's a track meet, we're going to be hard to beat. Lastly, the vibe on the ice seemed loose and fun. That might have been the most impressive thing of all.

 

[SlavinAway]

Was at both practices today. A few observations:

8:45

- Svechnikov/Staal/Teravainen were together and looked quite good
- McGinn/Wallmark/Martinook were together and looked very, very, very good
- Brock McGinn appears to have picked up a step and Wallmark's skating looked incrementally better as well
- Haydn' Fleury looked fast, confident, very solid and was skating with Justin Faulk; Pesce was skating with Bean
- Svech looks like he is even more confident and was pretty talkative; he's another who looks a step faster
- Teravainen with Svech is going to be a pretty neat thing. Turbo had a number of nice passes
- If I had to guess today, Clark Bishop is our likely 13th forward and he looked like he belongs
- Tough to rate a goalie at these things but, I thought Booth (I think it was Booth) and Reimer both looked pretty good; I just didn't see much of Ned's work so I can't comment
- I think that Pritchard has a chance to be a significant contributor in Charlotte this year; he was visible in a pretty good way
- Geekie had a couple of nice plays and I believe he was paired up w/Pritchard at least for a few drills

10:45

- Niederreiter/Aho/Dzingel skated as the putative top line and they already appear to have chemistry
- I'd say Aho is even a step faster and his shot looked great, but Ryan Dzingel is a ****ing sniper; if that line stays together they are going to be deadly
- Foegele/Haula/Necas skated together and, as expected, that line is so very, very fast; it was exciting to watch
- Haula has a laser of a shot, hard and accurate - I'd say if he's not up to full speed, I'd can't imagine what his full speed would portend
- Necas had a couple of "oops" moments on defense, but overall, he looked bigger, more confident and more skilled; he's still a work in progress though
- Slavin and Dougie looked damn good together; both made a number of nice stick plays
- Slavin is in mid-season form; didn't see him get beat once
- Kuokkanen/Luostarinen/Gauthier represented what might end up being the Checkers top line (unless Geekie plays the pivot) and they looked better than I expected.
- Kooks is fullk recovered and looked very active. Gauthier is a beast and very nearly had a couple of beauty plays (timing to my mind)
- Was pretty impressed with Luostarinen. His skating was very solid, he's bigger than I recalled, and he had an air of confidence about him too.
- Gardiner had two obvious mistakes where he got beat wide, but it appeared that he just wasn't ready for the speed of Foegele and then Necas. After that he made two or three nice defensive efforts; overall he looked pretty good, but, man, dude's got a big head
- Helvig did not look like an AHL goaltender much less an NHLer
- Mrazek was good early, then inconsistent in the middle, and then good late; Forsberg may have been the best of the three; he made it look effortless

While Suzuki made a few nice plays, he's no where near ready to graduate from juniors. Rees and Murray were invisible.

All the NHLers looked like they were big leaguers and the younger guys looked younger. Not necessarily out-classed, just a step below. You can see the guys who have already had some development at a higher level. There were clearly 3 separate skill levels - NHL, AHL, CHL.

In general, Roddy worked the guys hard and they felt even faster than last season. If it's a track meet, we're going to be hard to beat. Lastly, the vibe on the ice seemed loose and fun. That might have been the most impressive thing of all.

You're making me feel all warm and tingly!

 

[NotOpie]

I got what I expected from Svech/Staal/Turbo and from Nino/Aho/Zing, but man, the Foegele/Haula/Necas and McGinn/Wallmark/Martinook line literally took my breath away. I could see McGinn getting close to 20 goals if he gets the minutes. He did some work on his shot over the off-season and Wallmark might be the best passer on the team.

 

[HisIceness]

Thats disappointing to hear about Helvig, some of you guys who saw him last year had high hopes for him and thought he would be our #1 in a few years.

 

[Bunch of Jurcos]

I think it would be awesome if you could play Foegele/Haula/Necas less in the first half of games keeping them fresh when it comes to the third period and they just skate other teams to death. Or you could let them loose in the second period sorta like repeated body blows in boxing. I think the whole team is going to benefit greatly from their speed and play making.

Didn't Helvig struggle at the prospect camp too? I fear his time might soon be up here.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

Niederreiter Aho Dzingel
Svechnikov Staal Teravainen
Foegele Haula Necas
Mcginn Wallmark Martinhook

My body is ready.

 

[Lempo]

In Soviet Carolina, NAD kicks into you.

 

[AD Skinner]

That's my purse! I dont know you!

 

[MinJaBen]

Didn't see it listed anywhere, but Sara has new article up today and she said the first cuts of camp were made today. Henman, Murray and Rees were sent down to their junior teams.

 

[HisIceness]

That's my purse! I dont know you!

You left yourself open dad.

 

[Bunch of Jurcos]

That's my purse! I dont know you!

One of the best episodes of television in my lifetime.

 

[NotOpie]

Thats disappointing to hear about Helvig, some of you guys who saw him last year had high hopes for him and thought he would be our #1 in a few years.

Didn't Helvig struggle at the prospect camp too? I fear his time might soon be up here.

I'm not sure that this spells the end for Jeremy. The drills are often naked and the tender is out on an island. And I certainly can't blame him much for the prospects tournament. He was shelled with a very shitty defense in front of him. Still, there were 5 goalies that played fairly well and 1 that looked less so, at least to me.

 

[emptyNedder]

I could see McGinn getting close to 20 goals if he gets the minutes. He did some work on his shot over the off-season and Wallmark might be the best passer on the team.

It wouldn't surprise me for Wallmark to register 30 assists if he gets the minutes. When I watched him in the AHL in 17-18 he was clearly the most cerebral player in the entire league—he just saw the pass to make based on the weakness in the defense.

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

God I’m so excited.

 

[ookhaab]

Just start the season already.