2019 Training Camp Thread - Pride and Passion

[Anton Dubinchuk]

I think our glut of dmen over the last few years has skewed our perception of what a “top 4” and a “top 6” guy is. Justin Faulk being consider a “4D” by some people here is good evidence of that.

TVR would not be out of place on a second pairing. He wouldn’t be a world beater, but wouldn’t look out of place. That is a definition 4D right there IMO.

 

[My Special Purpose]

Maybe it's an unpopular opinion, but I just do not see TvR as top-4 material. Like, at all...not even as a temporary fill-in.

There's no doubt that a lot of things would have to go sideways for TvR to be in *our* top four anytime soon. But, I think you're looking at this through a Hurricanes lens, because it's not just Winnipeg that would be better with TvR in their top four. Vegas is one of the elite teams in the league with Schmidt, Theodore, McNabb, Holden as their top four. St. Louis won the Cup and they'd take TvR over Edmundson every day of the week as a No. 4 d-man.

He's a UFA after this season and I think you will be shocked at what happens with that, if he's not resigned here before then. I know we have Priskie, et al., but they're going to have to outplay TvR and I don't think that's automatic.

 

[My Special Purpose]

Put it this way, are there 124 defensemen in the NHL better than TvR? There are not.

 

[Lempo]

Put it this way, are there 124 defensemen in the NHL better than TvR? There are not.

How many do we have that are?

 

[geehaad]

There's no doubt that a lot of things would have to go sideways for TvR to be in *our* top four anytime soon. But, I think you're looking at this through a Hurricanes lens

...and ain't that weird as hell for us who've been through the lean years?

Ok, I'll concede that my lens is distorted due to the defensemen the Hurricanes have thrown out there in the past few years.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Remember when a “Hurricanes lens” meant “well, why CAN’T Jay Harrison be a viable top pairing defenseman?”

 

[Svechhammer]

Remember when a “Hurricanes lens” meant “well, why CAN’T Jay Harrison be a viable top pairing defenseman?”

because his brother, John, was too busy trying to blow up the Enterprise in the Kelvin timeline.... duh!

 

[My Special Purpose]

How many do we have that are?

Four, or five if you count Faulk. Which I really don't want to after last night.

 

[DaveG]

Maybe it's an unpopular opinion, but I just do not see TvR as top-4 material. Like, at all...not even as a temporary fill-in.

Looking around the league, TVR could be a #1 RHD in some places (cough Winnipeg cough)

These two statements are neither inaccurate nor contradictory.

Though I do think he can be a #4 in a pinch with a high level partner, just not long term. Hell Jamie McBain was at one point next to Pitkanen and actually playing like an actual nhler.

 

[Svechhammer]

Four, or five if you count Faulk. Which I really don't want to after last night.

Hey remember that time when Faulk put the puck on Ned in the second period?

Yeah, that was fun.

 

[tarheelhockey]

How many seasons in Canes history would the 2018-19 version of Justin Faulk be our #1D?

 

[CanesFanBudMan]

How many seasons in Canes history would the 2018-19 version of Justin Faulk be our #1D?

5 plus 3 *years where he was the best D on the team and he would not beat himself out.

02-03
06-07
07-08 iffy
11-12
12-13
13-14*
14-15*
15-16*

 

[DaveG]

5 plus 3 *years where he was the best D on the team and he would not beat himself out.

02-03
06-07
07-08 iffy
11-12
12-13
13-14*
14-15*
15-16*

Definitely would in 07-08, add 03-04

 

[geehaad]

If Bret Hedican wasn't #1 above him in 03-04, then he wasn't in 05-06, either.

 

[Anton Babchuk]

jfaulko

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

If Bret Hedican wasn't #1 above him in 03-04, then he wasn't in 05-06, either.

05-06 was the way it was because of our forwards, NOT our defense. Faulk today would've been easily been on our 1st pair back then.

 

[geehaad]

05-06 was the way it was because of our forwards, NOT our defense. Faulk today would've been easily been on our 1st pair back then.

Apparently you failed to understand the failure in logic that I called out.

Considering Faulk as our #1D, how is 05-06 any different than 02-03 and 03-04?

 

[Anton Babchuk]

Apparently you failed to understand the failure in logic that I called out.

Considering Faulk as our #1D, how is 05-06 any different than 02-03 and 03-04?

hedican was a lot better in 05-06 than 03-04 imo. i think the year off helped him a lot

also i disagree about faulk being our best d in 13-14. sekera was easily better than him that year.

 

[My Special Purpose]

also i disagree about faulk being our best d in 13-14. sekera was easily better than him that year.

You missed the point of the exercise. We're talking about right now Justin Faulk being placed on those teams. Not 18-year-old Justin Faulk or whatever.

And Bret Hedican was a lot of things in his career, but he was never a first-pairing d-man.

 

[AD Skinner]

because his brother, John, was too busy trying to blow up the Enterprise in the Kelvin timeline.... duh!

That got me so miffed I remember reading all the press BS about how this dude is totally new and totally not Kahn and then I sat there being like these buttholes straight lied to me

 

[GoldiFox]

31 Thoughts: Byfuglien decision will have major ripple effect - Sportsnet.ca

From Friedman's 31 thoughts. #13:
"Teams trying to move bodies include Carolina and Vancouver. Both are tight to the cap and roster limits. The Canucks have made four or five players available, but I’m not sure Virtanen is one of them. Head coach Travis Green was frustrated with Goldobin last season, but GM Jim Benning opted for a longer view. Could be the same here. Calgary may have to manoeuvre something once Matthew Tkachuk is signed."

Wonder who all is included in bodies.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Reimer probably. I can't imagine they're too excited about paying Forsberg 775k to presumably be an AHL backup. The bodies on the blueline are starting to pile up. Unlikely, but maybe McKeown could bring back an asset or even a proven AHL scorer to strengthen the forward group in Charlotte. Forsling could serve that same purpose.

 

[Joe McGrath]

How many seasons in Canes history would the 2018-19 version of Justin Faulk be our #1D?

12?

 

[emptyNedder]

but maybe McKeown could bring back an asset or even a proven AHL scorer to strengthen the forward group in Charlotte.

Most likely Charlotte is Kuokkanen, Gauthier, Geekie, Gibbons, Luostarinen, Lorentz, Mattheos (once he is back), Smallman, Pritchard, McCormick, and Bishop. That is almost as strong as last season.
Though I am all for getting more assets if one of our D depth is traded.

 

[Bunch of Jurcos]

Remember when a “Hurricanes lens” meant “well, why CAN’T Jay Harrison be a viable top pairing defenseman?”

Triggered