2019 Stanley Cup Playoffs Talk

[sabremike]

 

[stevewin]

Watching Vegas game, thought I heard some random woos in the crowd, figured I must be imagining it - then the PA just did a woo thing. wtf

 

[Brock Anton]

Martin Jones is very bad.

 

[MinJaBen]

Martin Jones is very bad.

Yeah, what the hell happened to him? Goalies are voodoo. I'm already laughing at the contract Florida is going to give Bob.

 

[RodTheBawd]

smh terrible moves by Columbus at the TDL, disrupting all that chemistry.

 

[the halleJOKEL]

columbus, u scary

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I still hope that Foegele can become our version of Josh Anderson. They play a similar style game IMO.

 

[FaulkYouAho]

I still hope that Foegele can become our version of Josh Anderson. They play a similar style game IMO.

highly unlikely tbh, foegele plays a more defensive style to Josh Andersons power style. I really don't see it.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

highly unlikely tbh, foegele plays a more defensive style to Josh Andersons power style. I really don't see it.

That's more about how they are used today (Anderson is in his 3rd season and 2 years older than Foegele) and less about about how they play (even though Foegele hasn't exactly been the epitome of defense this year).

Both have good size. Both are good skaters. Both love to by physical. Both love to get in first on the forecheck and hit guys, both play with a bit of reckless abandon, both are unafraid to go to dirty areas, etc.. That's where I think they have similar styles.

Foegele has shown some glimpses of having some good hands and offensive ability, but it's not yet consistent (he's 2 years younger than Anderson). I also think Foegele hasn't learned how to slow the game down yet, where Anderson has. Foegele knows that what got him to the NHL is 100% effort all the time and a non-stop motor, so that's what he keeps doing. IMO, he needs to learn to better pick his spots and think more about the game situation to make the right play vs. the effort play. Maybe that will never come and he'll be not much more than he is today, but if it does, I think he can be our version of Anderson.

 

[FaulkYouAho]

That's more about how they are used today (Anderson is in his 3rd season and 2 years older than Foegele) and less about about how they play (even though Foegele hasn't exactly been the epitome of defense this year).

Both have good size. Both are good skaters. Both love to by physical. Both love to get in first on the forecheck and hit guys, both play with a bit of reckless abandon, both are unafraid to go to dirty areas, etc.. That's where I think they have similar styles.

Foegele has shown some glimpses of having some good hands and offensive ability, but it's not yet consistent (he's 2 years younger than Anderson). I also think Foegele hasn't learned how to slow the game down yet, where Anderson has. Foegele knows that what got him to the NHL is 100% effort all the time and a non-stop motor, so that's what he keeps doing. IMO, he needs to learn to better pick his spots and think more about the game situation to make the right play vs. the effort play. Maybe that will never come and he'll be not much more than he is today, but if it does, I think he can be our version of Anderson.

whatever you say boss, i don't see it but you do so im not going to argue

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

I do like that comparison @Boom Boom Apathy. I will say I don't see Foegele having the same nastiness as Anderson, but certainly the same tenacity (and perhaps more, let's be honest, the kid's an Energizer bunny). And I do think he's got some untapped skill (but maybe not much). Even just average NHL hands would've gotten this kid 15 goals this year.

I'm not expecting him to ever put up the 27 goals that Anderson did this year, but could he become a 20-20 guy? It sounds like a good comparison for his ceiling, and obviously we'd be thrilled if he hit it.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

whatever you say boss, i don't see it but you do so im not going to argue

LOL. Ok. Didn't really see it as "arguing", but that's fine.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

whatever you say boss, i don't see it but you do so im not going to argue

You're really splitting hairs that finely on a player comparison after comparing Saarela's ceiling to "Hagelin but with below average skating?"

Marty St. Louis also reminds me Eric Lindros without the size or power forward game and also he shoots lefty lol. But God forbid Foegele be a more established PKer than Anderson...

 

[FaulkYouAho]

You're really splitting hairs that finely on a player comparison after comparing Saarela's ceiling to "Hagelin but with below average skating?"

Marty St. Louis also reminds me Eric Lindros without the size or power forward game and also he shoots lefty lol. But God forbid Foegele be a more established PKer than Anderson...

im not good at comparing players but i don't see foegele being that close to anderson just because i think Foegele plays a more TWF style of play rather than a PWF game.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I do like that comparison @Boom Boom Apathy. I will say I don't see Foegele having the same nastiness as Anderson, but certainly the same tenacity (and perhaps more, let's be honest, the kid's an Energizer bunny). And I do think he's got some untapped skill (but maybe not much). Even just average NHL hands would've gotten this kid 15 goals this year.

I'm not expecting him to ever put up the 27 goals that Anderson did this year, but could he become a 20-20 guy? It sounds like a good comparison for his ceiling, and obviously we'd be thrilled if he hit it.

Yah, that's how I see it.

Their 1st NHL seasons:
Anderson: 17G, 29P, 60 PIM, 147 Hits, 119 Shots, 14.3% SH% (he's since leveled out at 10-11%),
Foegele: 10G, 15P, 20 PIM, 126 Hits, 106 Shots, 9.4% SH%,

Anderson has shown more offensive ability consistently and I don't expect Foegele to match his goal scoring. Foegele has shown it in spurts but not at all consistently.

I agree with you that I'm not expecting 27 Goals from Foegele, nor was that the point I was trying to make. I was making more of a style of play comparison, not a goal total comparison.

 

[bleedgreen]

I think it’s a strength and skating thing. Anderson is just a more refined skater with a lot more strength whereas Foegele shows glimpses and generally is an uncontrolled spaz.

He can definitely grow, but to take it to Anderson’s level he would need to add some serious leg strength/balance and enough beef to carry dudes while becoming a better shooter.

I don’t see it but I absolutely can see him becoming a more refined version of this year. He’ll become smarter and more efficient as he goes as well. This year seems to be about throwing it all at the wall and seeing what sticks.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I think it’s a strength and skating thing. Anderson is just a more refined skater with a lot more strength whereas Foegele shows glimpses and generally is an uncontrolled spaz.

He can definitely grow, but to take it to Anderson’s level he would need to add some serious leg strength/balance and enough beef to carry dudes while becoming a better shooter.

I don’t see it but I absolutely can see him becoming a more refined version of this year. He’ll become smarter and more efficient as he goes as well. This year seems to be about throwing it all at the wall and seeing what sticks.

Yeah, Like I said, I don't see him reaching Anderson's level, just that I see some similarities in their style. Agree 100% that Foegele only shows glimpses and needs to become more refined as well as stronger. He needs to learn how to slow things down (and learn how to harness the uncontrolled spaz). I hope he can take those strides and become a lesser version of Anderson for us. Not saying he will ever become Anderson, nor that he'll take those strides, but that's what I'm hoping for. If he doesn't, then so be it.

Re: Strength, keep in mind that Anderson was something like 6'1", 180lbs when drafted. He's gotten bigger and stronger as time has gone on and is in his 3rd NHL season. If Foegele never gets any stronger, which is possible but seems unlikely, then it won't happen.

AD brought up a good point about Anderson having more edge to his game as well.

 

[Stickpucker]

Mark Stone has been a monster

 

[SaskCanesFan]

I still hope that Foegele can become our version of Josh Anderson. They play a similar style game IMO.

That's what I'm hoping for from Julien Gauthier honestly. In his respective D+3 season, Anderson put up 7+10 in 52 AHL games which helps put Gauthier's progression in perspective for me, though obviously development isn't linear.

 

[FaulkYouAho]

LOL. Ok. Didn't really see it as "arguing", but that's fine.

oh i was just trying to stop before it did, i will argue with a wall if i don't stop myself

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

Kadri suspended for the rest of the first.

Curious if Toronto will move him this summer. His selfish acts have cost his team two playoffs in a row now.

 

[ThreeLeftSkates]

See, this is the difference between defense and defensemen. Defense isn't about defensemen. There is absolutely *nothing* special about Pulock, Mayfield, Pelech and Toews. I'd take Slavin, Pesce, de Haan, Hamilton over them 100 times out of 100. The Islanders are elite defensively because all 18 skaters are 100 percent dedicated to making the smart, safe play at both blue lines, staying with their checks in the defensive zone, and competing for pucks all over the ice. They give up *nothing* and counter ruthlessly.

There is nothing separating us from the Islanders, talent-wise. The difference is in the commitment to playing the game the right way and limiting mistakes, sometimes even to zero. We do a decent job of this, and that's why we're in the playoffs, but virtually every goal we allow can be traced back to one poor decision that the Islanders just do not make.

Our guys play for each other, and they work their tails off, but we just have a handful of brain farts every game. We're not good enough for that.

Isles fan, here in peace. Devon Toews is going to be special. He is already better than de Haan(and I am a fan). He skated a loop of our d zone while Crosby had the puck, completely blanketed him. 50 game rookie, better skater than Leddy.

 

[HisIceness]

Kadri suspended for the rest of the first.

Curious if Toronto will move him this summer. His selfish acts have cost his team two playoffs in a row now.

Wouldn't shock me.

Also Cale Makar scores in his debut. Colorado is going to be scary good going forward, too bad for them they didn't get Hughes or Kakko.

 

[HisIceness]

Avs pouring it on. 4-0 on a SHG.

And now Flames get one back.

 

[Canes]

Avs pouring it on. 4-0 on a SHG.

And now Flames get one back.

Kadri suspended for the rest of the first.

Curious if Toronto will move him this summer. His selfish acts have cost his team two playoffs in a row now.

The hilarious thing is that most Leaves fans think we'd be interested in a straight Kadri for Pesce swap.