2019-nCov: NHL Season SUSPENDED

[jaffy27]

I just stayed at an hotel from March 2-3 with a Coronavirus case. Hotel staff going in quarantine and deep cleaning of the establishment. Hopefuly I won't be the unlucky one.

Be careful!!

 

[Mandala]

Posting this to give hope. All past human coronavirus were found active from Dec to Apr. If this new coronavirus behaves similarly we can hope for reduced activity wherever spring starts.

 

[Runner77]

Italy thought the travels bans would keep it out, again here, the first patient showed up 3 times to the same hospitals and showing symptoms each time before getting tested…..many in the hospital got infected and they infected others and they are where they are. They also where the first country outside of Asia having an outbreak.

I heard someone from the travel industry say that the root cause is that a great majority of factory workers in Milan hail from China.

 

[Runner77]

Be careful!!

Is it not the case that the air passengers let through those dials above their seats, is that not just recirculated air? I've heard it's not a good idea to open those mini forced air sources for that reason. Is that air not filtered even if it's recirculated?

 

[jaffy27]

Is it not the case that the air passengers let through those dials above their seats, is that not just recirculated air? I've heard it's not a good idea to open those mini forced air sources for that reason. Is that air not filtered even if it's recirculated?

Yes, it is recirculated, but it’s also getting continuously dumped over board a bit at the time so your constantly getting new air, it’s not like it’s the same air for the entire trip.

The dirtiest air is at the back since the outflow valve is situated close to the empannage on the lower fuselage.

So you want clean air, the best is at the front, and don’t worry about the vents, there are another 200 or so going full blast (depending on aircraft size), it won’t change much.

That new air is also coming from one of your compressor stages in the engine, no Coronavirus up their that I can guarantee.
Be diligent when you fly, take the necessary precautions and all
Will be fine.

I just came from Vancouver.....still
Alive

 

[SOLR]

Posting this to give hope. All past human coronavirus were found active from Dec to Apr. If this new coronavirus behaves similarly we can hope for reduced activity wherever spring starts.

Iran is problematic for this theory. Plus, because we are containing vs. letting it go, once we get to April the community immunity will still be low. Don't expect an April respite at all.

 

[Milhouse40]

I understand your confidence. I even find it uplifting in a way.

But the state of healthcare in US and middle east scares me.

You know the cost of test is 3K in US.
How many uninsured in US? 10M? 50 millions?

South Korea does not scare me.
Europ a little bit more.

But Iran, Iraq, Syria.
You think they will control it with war and about 5-6 millions refugees.
Then Turkey...

The test itself is free in the United States (at least according to a interview yesterday with Pence), treatments is not but they don't have a choice to take care of the sick one way or the other.

I have to agree that Europe and Middle-east is troubling right now but it was the same for China when it blew up a couple of weeks ago.....hell, yesterday the epicenter of Hubei had less cases than the States..so it can be done, just if everybody can get their head out of their asses and start being a little bit more careful they might get out of it. (Iran seems to be the most problematic country).

I'm in Canada and our healthcare system, although free, is not any better or any more suited to work this thing if it blow up (Well, our Army own like 2 guns and a tank but they are useful to help in this matter).

Never forget....this is temporary. We have to fight this for the next year or so.

 

[Milhouse40]

I heard someone from the travel industry say that the root cause is that a great majority of factory workers in Milan hail from China.

We'll never really know in the end, one thing is for sure, Italy has been careless in their dealing with the virus.

 

[Milhouse40]

Iran is problematic for this theory. Plus, because we are containing vs. letting it go, once we get to April the community immunity will still be low. Don't expect an April respite at all.

It's not that hot in Iran, from all probability this spread started in Iran like in Mid-February where the Country had a weather of 7 to 12 degree Celsius with real cold night. Not hot enough yet.

There's around 42 000 active cases worldwide left. If we can clear these faster than new ones are created + hot weather + help by everyone looking at their own prevention (washing hands, avoid big crowds, less travels, social distancing)....then we might have a chance.

I'm more scared about the 2nd wave in next October....of there's a 2nd wave.
Let's not forget that Sars simply stopped by itself, same for the Spanish Flu.

 

[SOLR]

It's not that hot in Iran, from all probability this spread started in Iran like in Mid-February where the Country had a weather of 7 to 12 degree Celsius with real cold night. Not hot enough yet.

There's around 42 000 active cases worldwide left. If we can clear these faster than new ones are created + hot weather + help by everyone looking at their own prevention (washing hands, avoid big crowds, less travels, social distancing)....then we might have a chance.

I'm more scared about the 2nd wave in next October....of there's a 2nd wave.
Let's not forget that Sars simply stopped by itself, same for the Spanish Flu.

Granted not that hot, California etc. well see what happens. I'm not ready to say that a virus with a high R0 and this kind of virulence will follow warmth patterns. It might, we don't know yet. There are many cases of "summer coronas".

Spanish Flu had 3 waves mate...it went away because of community immunity - as everything else does.

We have to take it day by day.

 

[Mandala]

Again this table is real data about other common human coronavirus. There is a a clear indication that temperature, at least body temperature, plays a role. For the first SARS there was a drop of cases as summer arrived.

 

[Mandala]

Granted not that hot, California etc. well see what happens. I'm not ready to say that a virus with a high R0 and this kind of virulence will follow warmth patterns. It might, we don't know yet. There are many cases of "summer coronas".

Spanish Flu had 3 waves mate...it went away because of community immunity - as everything else does.

We have to take it day by day.

Hopefully we don't need to wait years for the community immunity to help. I hope a safe vaccine is available within 12-18 months. Before that the Chinese will publish their studies on chloroquine (and two other antiviral treatments) that look promising. Since mid february when preliminary info was released on chloroquine in China, they have halved their number of critical/serious conditions patients...the strongest hint they found a promising treatment.

 

[yianik]

Its summer in Australia.

Wash hands, cough/ sneeze in elbow, no handshakes, keep people at distance ,stay home if sick. This will probably help more than loading up on toilet paper, spam and rounds of ammunition.

 

[zx81]

What pisses me off is that some people with flu like symptoms keep working in public.

Went to the drugstore yesterday and the clerk clearly was sick. Not saying he had covid but still.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

What pisses me off is that some people with flu like symptoms keep working in public.

Went to the drugstore yesterday and the clerk clearly was sick. Not saying he had covid but still.

Tough to know when others are sick though. People can't stay home with a runny nose or a cough.

 

[DAChampion]

What pisses me off is that some people with flu like symptoms keep working in public.

Went to the drugstore yesterday and the clerk clearly was sick. Not saying he had covid but still.

A lot of people don't have the option of taking a day off work.

 

[SpeedyPotato]

Ok people have to stop freaking out like this. Yes, protect yourself, wash your hands, avoid touching your face, don't do anything stupid, but the panic on this thing is overblown. I've been in the hospital every day in the last few months, my friend is an R2 at the hospital where the first case in Montreal was diagnosed, this is not ebola, it isn't SARS either, just stop with the irrationality.

 

[1909]

More and more sporting events are cancelled or games are played in empty stadiums. NHL wants to close the dressing rooms to medias. NBA could play their games without spectators. Maybe we can start imagining NHL games postponed, cancelled, or played in empty arenas. Can you imagine a SC Finals like that ?

 

[Lshap]

Tough to know when others are sick though. People can't stay home with a runny nose or a cough.

I've had a cold for the past few days. Mild fever, some coughing, a little congestion. I feel fine, and any other time I wouldn't think twice about my daily schedule, but given the environment I've been more cautious about interacting. Still went out, but less, and I've avoided handshaking and kept a greater distance. Grudgingly told my dad I wouldn't be coming over today, after my wife questioned my sanity. So while I'm not quarantining myself, I'm more mindful than normal.

 

[Chili]

Will be interesting if the NHL is left with a 'No games' or 'No spectators' decision at some point.

 

[Habs]

I wish the Flu was treated as seriously as this. Not diminishing how this virus is impacting people, but people with the flu go out every day with zero regard for other people's health. Maybe this will smarten everyone up a bit

 

[get25]

Ok people have to stop freaking out like this. Yes, protect yourself, wash your hands, avoid touching your face, don't do anything stupid, but the panic on this thing is overblown. I've been in the hospital every day in the last few months, my friend is an R2 at the hospital where the first case in Montreal was diagnosed, this is not ebola, it isn't SARS either, just stop with the irrationality.

No panic but facts:

• This is worst than SARS, number alone prove it. Question is: will it be towards spanish flu;
• We are looking at hundreds of thousands of death... More likely millions. Not to panic but I would like to compare Spanish Flu vs world wars: which killed highest percentage of population;
• Some talked about free testing in US: really? they can not even test the ones that have insurance... How many tests they did: 2000? BTW do you know the CDC criteria for testing? Not sure this is best practice... It will change as tests become available NEXT WEEK
• As I said previously, comparing this to SARS and MERS no longer applies. Same with the Flu. 3.45 of 328 millions is a lot. We should expect at least 20-30% cases
• Again, in Iran, Iraq, Syria, Pakistan, Afghanistan and India are on the front line; To me the refugees are the biggest problem.
• I do not trust Chinese numbers. Just look at the pollution activity and it is clear that they are not out of it. When Wuhan and Hubei will start their activity at 80%+, we can relax about China.
• Africa will not be able to contain this.
• The fact that Trump thinks this will go away in summer has no scientific base except looking at other virus. Does not mean it will happen. Do we have any proof af this from any country?

We will know more after 100,000 tests in US.

On the positive side, February CO2 level in 2020 was lower than 2019.

 

[SpeedyPotato]

No panic but facts:

• This is worst than SARS, number alone prove it. Question is: will it be towards spanish flu;
• We are looking at hundreds of thousands of death... More likely millions. Not to panic but I would like to compare Spanish Flu vs world wars: which killed highest percentage of population;
• Some talked about free testing in US: really? they can not even test the ones that have insurance... How many tests they did: 2000? BTW do you know the CDC criteria for testing? Not sure this is best practice... It will change as tests become available NEXT WEEK
• As I said previously, comparing this to SARS and MERS no longer applies. Same with the Flu. 3.45 of 328 millions is a lot. We should expect at least 20-30% cases
• Again, in Iran, Iraq, Syria, Pakistan, Afghanistan and India are on the front line; To me the refugees are the biggest problem.
• I do not trust Chinese numbers. Just look at the pollution activity and it is clear that they are not out of it. When Wuhan and Hubei will start their activity at 80%+, we can relax about China.
• Africa will not be able to contain this.
• The fact that Trump thinks this will go away in summer has no scientific base except looking at other virus. Does not mean it will happen. Do we have any proof af this from any country?

We will know more after 100,000 tests in US.

On the positive side, February CO2 level in 2020 was lower than 2019.

What are you talking about? This is nowhere near SARS, which had almost a 10% death rate. Yes there are more cases overall, but the vast majority of patients, and I'm talking over 80% here, are sent home because for most people it is a benign infection. If you're old or immunosupressed, yeah sure avoid it like the plague, just like you should avoid the common flu, but this storyline that it is extremely deadly isn't true. It is something to be careful about sure, but the global panic has the potential to do way more harm than the virus itself.

 

[Mrb1p]

No panic but facts:

• This is worst than SARS, number alone prove it. Question is: will it be towards spanish flu;
• We are looking at hundreds of thousands of death... More likely millions. Not to panic but I would like to compare Spanish Flu vs world wars: which killed highest percentage of population;
• Some talked about free testing in US: really? they can not even test the ones that have insurance... How many tests they did: 2000? BTW do you know the CDC criteria for testing? Not sure this is best practice... It will change as tests become available NEXT WEEK
• As I said previously, comparing this to SARS and MERS no longer applies. Same with the Flu. 3.45 of 328 millions is a lot. We should expect at least 20-30% cases
• Again, in Iran, Iraq, Syria, Pakistan, Afghanistan and India are on the front line; To me the refugees are the biggest problem.
• I do not trust Chinese numbers. Just look at the pollution activity and it is clear that they are not out of it. When Wuhan and Hubei will start their activity at 80%+, we can relax about China.
• Africa will not be able to contain this.
• The fact that Trump thinks this will go away in summer has no scientific base except looking at other virus. Does not mean it will happen. Do we have any proof af this from any country?

We will know more after 100,000 tests in US.

On the positive side, February CO2 level in 2020 was lower than 2019.

Jeez louise are you alright

 

[get25]

What are you talking about? This is nowhere near SARS, which had almost a 10% death rate. Yes there are more cases overall, but the vast majority of patients, and I'm talking over 80% here, are sent home because for most people it is a benign infection. If you're old or immunosupressed, yeah sure avoid it like the plague, just like you should avoid the common flu, but this storyline that it is extremely deadly isn't true. It is something to be careful about sure, but the global panic has the potential to do way more harm than the virus itself.

Yes but the number of SARS cases are lower. SARS-2 is much more virulent. You can not compare 10,000 caseswith millions. We maybe looking at 10%-20% of the globe as far as cases are concerned...

BTW, what is the ration deaths/recovered in China? How about Iran? and Italy?

I do not agree about this being a nothing burger...