OT: 2019 Football Thread: Part IV – More like the "Football Thread", amirite?

[Gordon Bombay]

While I like Adams as a player he was not in any sense a no brainer considering Deshaun watson and Patrick Mahomes were available. I'm not saying he was top of my list but the most pressing need for the Jets was QB, not safety. Scouts considered one or the other the top QB in the class and there was no reason not to take a chance with one of them. A lot of the criticism the Chiefs took was the amount they paid to move up.

Hate to butt in but neither Watson or Mahomes were considered the number 1. Trubisky was the easy 1 while Watson carried doubts if he could be as successful in the NFL and Mahomes was basically an unknown from an air raid offense with a crazy arm.

Hindsight is always 20/20 on drafts and it’s obvious now but on that draft day the popular opinion was for Trubisky.

 

[Miamipuck]

Cat shit clearly smells worse AINEC.

For this draft, if Wirfs or Thomas or someone of that caliber falls to us (doubtful) fine take them, but I don't want to settle for a B-tier OT just because its a desperate need, especially if one of Jeudy or Lamb or even Ruggs is there. A project OT who is 2 or 3 years away from being a full time starter does nothing for Sam, whereas a blue chip WR can contribute right away. I do think however that JD's interior line signings will help a lot, yeah our tackles suck but last season we were getting blown up down the middle way too much. Kalil was a disaster. Sam is good at maneuvering in the pocket. The line will not be fixed in 1 offseason. Get him some got damned weapons, please.

Arizona drafted like 5 WR in last years draft to help Murray. And then they nab Hopkins this offseason. Now they can use their high pick on a premier tackle. They got the right idea.

I will take your word on that. I have had cats and dogs, many but can't say I did a smell test. lol


Apparently the Jets have a new system in place to grade players on how they fit into their system. MM just graded players and picked them based on a grade and not how they fit. lol I get angrier and angrier thinking about that guy and how he wasted our f***ing time for 5 years:

Not that I like Manish, he sucks ass but this is a good article:

Inside look at Jets GM Joe Douglas’ new draft grading system and how it could help revamp his roster

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

I will take your word on that. I have had cats and dogs, many but can't say I did a smell test. lol


Apparently the Jets have a new system in place to grade players on how they fit into their system. MM just graded players and picked them based on a grade and not how they fit. lol I get angrier and angrier thinking about that guy and how he wasted our f***ing time for 5 years:

Not that I like Manish, he sucks ass but this is a good article:

Inside look at Jets GM Joe Douglas’ new draft grading system and how it could help revamp his roster

5 years of Macc, 4 years of Bowels, more than 1 year of Gase... this franchise can't do anything right smh

 

[Maximus]

5 years of Macc, 4 years of Bowels, more than 1 year of Gase... this franchise can't do anything right smh

I dunno my friend...I think the Jets might have accidentally in spite of themselves got it right this time...I really do.

Do you remember before Douglass was hired, MM orchestrated last year's FA and draft and than was canned immediatly after and the Jets were getting abused unmercifully by both the press and the fan base. It was all a power play orchestrated by Gase was the word on the street and it appeared that way and that he wanted to be the one to pick the players and coach as well.

Well apparently we were wrong because shortly after that Douglass was swiped away from the Eagles for a ton of money as he and Gase had a solid working relationship from the past. So it really does look like we might have gotten it right as I like the vibes I'm getting from him. As I said in my previous post, I'm getting a Jeff Gorton vibe from Douglass and I like the fact he addressed mainly the Oline in FA and now let's see what he does in the draft.

I feel real confident that due to his solid pedigree learning from one of the best GM's in the past 20-25 years in Ozzie Newsome as well as being Howie Roseman's right hand man in Philly, I don't see anyway he doesn't become the best GM the Jets have had in decades. Now yes the bar is pretty low but Douglass sure seems to know what he's doing.

And as a bonus, he's doing the right things off the field as indicated by this.....

https://nypost.com/2020/04/06/coronavirus-in-sports-jets-gm-joe-douglas-tips-restaurant-100/

 

[Maximus]

Cat shit clearly smells worse AINEC.

For this draft, if Wirfs or Thomas or someone of that caliber falls to us (doubtful) fine take them, but I don't want to settle for a B-tier OT just because its a desperate need, especially if one of Jeudy or Lamb or even Ruggs is there. A project OT who is 2 or 3 years away from being a full time starter does nothing for Sam, whereas a blue chip WR can contribute right away. I do think however that JD's interior line signings will help a lot, yeah our tackles suck but last season we were getting blown up down the middle way too much. Kalil was a disaster. Sam is good at maneuvering in the pocket. The line will not be fixed in 1 offseason. Get him some got damned weapons, please.

Arizona drafted like 5 WR in last years draft to help Murray. And then they nab Hopkins this offseason. Now they can use their high pick on a premier tackle. They got the right idea.

I totally agree with the way you are looking at it as it's the way I've been thinking as well all along. I'd much much rather take one of the top 2-3 WR's in the draft than the 5th-6th best Offensive Tackle. I fully realize Douglass hasn't even made a pick yet, but this is by far the most confident that I can remember that the Jets are going to be doing the right things in the draft.

And it has everything to do with as I said a few times, Douglass having learned from the best in Ozzie Newsome(won a SB and they've always been good) and Howie Roseman(won a SB and they've typically always been good).

Proof is in the pudding yes but I don't see how any Jet fan can't be excited that we finally have a guy in charge who knows what the F he's doing....think Jeff Gorton and what he has done for our Rangers. That's the kind of impact I see Douglass having with our Jets. I'm really looking forward to the draft as it came come soon enough as I'm dying with no sports for the past month....argggggg!!!

 

[Joey Bones]

While I like Adams as a player he was not in any sense a no brainer considering Deshaun watson and Patrick Mahomes were available. I'm not saying he was top of my list but the most pressing need for the Jets was QB, not safety. Scouts considered one or the other the top QB in the class and there was no reason not to take a chance with one of them. A lot of the criticism the Chiefs took was the amount they paid to move up.

No, Trubisky was the No. 1 in that draft. Watson and Mahomes weren't sure fire bets to be studs, especially Watson.

Besides, the Jets look like gold with grabbing both Adams and Maye in that draft. Best safety tandem they've had in a long time. The rest of their draft, though.... yeesh....

 

[Joey Bones]

NY Jets reportedly interviewing FIU quarterback James Morgan

Thought this was interesting....

 

[Barnaby]

5 years of Macc, 4 years of Bowels, more than 1 year of Gase... this franchise can't do anything right smh

It was Bowles but Bowels is more fitting.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

No, Trubisky was the No. 1 in that draft. Watson and Mahomes weren't sure fire bets to be studs, especially Watson.

Besides, the Jets look like gold with grabbing both Adams and Maye in that draft. Best safety tandem they've had in a long time. The rest of their draft, though.... yeesh....

Watson was considered pretty safe I remember. Never understood the hestitation with Mahomes but I'm glad it existed or he'd have gone 1 and the Chiefs would be on year 51 of no Super Bowls.

 

[sbjnyc]

No, Trubisky was the No. 1 in that draft. Watson and Mahomes weren't sure fire bets to be studs, especially Watson.

Besides, the Jets look like gold with grabbing both Adams and Maye in that draft. Best safety tandem they've had in a long time. The rest of their draft, though.... yeesh....

Yes, sorry I should have said QBs still on the board. I still think the Jets needed a QB more than a safety and if you're in a position to draft a potentially good qb when you need one, you do so.

 

[Gordon Bombay]

Watson was considered pretty safe I remember. Never understood the hestitation with Mahomes but I'm glad it existed or he'd have gone 1 and the Chiefs would be on year 51 of no Super Bowls.

A lot of people weren't sure if Watson could be a pocket passer so that's why he dropped.

The hesitation around Mahomes was just that he was unknown. Texas Tech wasn't any good and they used a spread offense which most QB's don't make the NFL as the transition is very hard. As the draft process progressed Mahomes was a huge riser as teams realized he could read a defense, take a snap under center, etc. In his draft year if IIRC Mahomes' completion % was terrible, closer to 50% than 60% so the doubts were real. In fact on draft day I think he was still seen as a 2nd round pick. Obviously the rest is history and proof that stats aren't everything. Now if the Jets take him at 6 is he the same player? No way IMO but that's going way off topic.

 

[ecemleafs]

trubisky wasnt a sure fire 1. lots of ppl were afraid of his lack of playing time in college. watson and mahomes had a much larger resume heading into the NFL. lots of people thought the bears were nuts to trade up to draft trubisky.

 

[East Coast Bias]

Any time they gotta sell me on a QB's "tools" and tell me to not focus too much on his college performances I'm out.

How many of these "wow look at the tools" guys do we gotta have for the most complex position in pro sports?

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

 

[Adam Fox Time]

No one has posted about the new uniform unveilings?

 

[ecemleafs]

both look good. would have been nice seeing the creamsicle bucs jersey though.

 

[Maximus]

No one has posted about the new uniform unveilings?

Maybe it’s my imagination but the Bucs new unies look almost exactly like they used too look in late 90’s early 2000’s when they had all those great defensive teams and won a SB.

So maybe the Bucs change was too get rid of those horrific unies they’ve had past 5-6 years and go back to their much more pleasing to the eye ones with the addition of a black alternate ala what the Jets did last year when they added the black alternates.

I know it’s all subjective but he Falcons ones look terrible IMO. They should go back to their 70’s red unies.

 

[Miamipuck]

This is a great reaction to the Falcons uni's:

 

[East Coast Bias]

I haven't played Madden in years, but when you'd move a team to a new city in franchise mode, you'd have to create new uniforms and they ATL one looks like one of the templates

 

[Adam Fox Time]

The Buccaneers apparently also want an orange throwback if the NFL will allow them to have two helmets.

These are so nice.

 

[Joey Bones]

Watson was considered pretty safe I remember. Never understood the hestitation with Mahomes but I'm glad it existed or he'd have gone 1 and the Chiefs would be on year 51 of no Super Bowls.

I just remember a lot of speculation. Most analysts either really liked him or didn't want him.

 

[Joey Bones]

Yes, sorry I should have said QBs still on the board. I still think the Jets needed a QB more than a safety and if you're in a position to draft a potentially good qb when you need one, you do so.

True, but it seemed like Jet management then really didn't like the depth after Trubisky. I remember around that time that they were inclined to trade up. But maybe they had Jamal way higher on their list. Who really knows, honestly?

Hindsight, Jets took a phenomenal player and they shouldn't be asking the "what if's" for taking someone else.

 

[Joey Bones]

A lot of people weren't sure if Watson could be a pocket passer so that's why he dropped.

The hesitation around Mahomes was just that he was unknown. Texas Tech wasn't any good and they used a spread offense which most QB's don't make the NFL as the transition is very hard. As the draft process progressed Mahomes was a huge riser as teams realized he could read a defense, take a snap under center, etc. In his draft year if IIRC Mahomes' completion % was terrible, closer to 50% than 60% so the doubts were real. In fact on draft day I think he was still seen as a 2nd round pick. Obviously the rest is history and proof that stats aren't everything. Now if the Jets take him at 6 is he the same player? No way IMO but that's going way off topic.

Good post, could agree. I actually think the NFL draft is more of a crapshoot than the NHL because the stats are basically nothing to show for in pro football. A lot of it is physicality, IQ and how well one does under pressure, IMO.

 

[East Coast Bias]

A lot of people weren't sure if Watson could be a pocket passer so that's why he dropped.

The hesitation around Mahomes was just that he was unknown. Texas Tech wasn't any good and they used a spread offense which most QB's don't make the NFL as the transition is very hard. As the draft process progressed Mahomes was a huge riser as teams realized he could read a defense, take a snap under center, etc. In his draft year if IIRC Mahomes' completion % was terrible, closer to 50% than 60% so the doubts were real. In fact on draft day I think he was still seen as a 2nd round pick. Obviously the rest is history and proof that stats aren't everything. Now if the Jets take him at 6 is he the same player? No way IMO but that's going way off topic.

It was the system that scared everyone. The team sucked (5-7) but Mahomes was great.

His draft year he was dominant - 66% comp, 41 TD, 10 INT.

 

[Gordon Bombay]

It was the system that scared everyone. The team sucked (5-7) but Mahomes was great.

His draft year he was dominant - 66% comp, 41 TD, 10 INT.

Good call, was probably thinking of Allen with the completion %.