The TE was more a flyer I decided to take that late. Plus, I'm not sure the team is necessarily married to Herndon and Wesco. Even Griffin isn't necessarily a long-term piece.
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The TE was more a flyer I decided to take that late. Plus, I'm not sure the team is necessarily married to Herndon and Wesco. Even Griffin isn't necessarily a long-term piece.
Maximus
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The Herndon that we all saw on the field 2nd half of 2018 is absolutely the long term piece at TE the Jets need. He and Darnold had a chemistry going on that I hadn’t seen from a Jet QB and Jet TE since Mark Sanchez and Dustin Keller were BFF’s back in the early 2010’s.
We just got to figure out a way for Herndon to stay on the damn field cause if he does this upcoming season, Jets have a serious weapon at TE, as in top 5-8 overall TE type potential if the Uber talented Herndon can stay healthy.
if Tua is healthy, which hes said hes 100% today and will play as a rookie (hopefully true), then there will have to be a ton of interest from teams that want a QB to jump Miami at 5. that could be at 3 (detroit) or 4 (giants). what kind of trade offers do you guys think would be there on the giants table? giants are more than a LT or Simmons away from being a great team.
Maximus
Registered User
Not sure why but I found this very funny....lol
In all seriousness, I’ve found over the many years I’ve been a fan of football, most Jet fans are more vocal and emotional than their Gmen brothers.
Im convinced that it’s because, tho sure the Giants are going thru a bit of a dry spell, their fans know that their team has 4 SB’s and their success over the years far far outweighs anything the a Jets have done.
So sure Giant fans will bitch and moan a bit about Gettleman, but they are far less vocal about negative shit than us Jet fans are seeing our fan base is so fatalistic and we have had so little success over the years hence anytime the wind blows in a positive direction in Jetland, you are going to hear about it.
If the Jets were so fortunate to even make a SB let alone win a SB which I hope and pray can happen at least once before I kick the bucket, hopefully you Giant fans wouldn’t hate us too much because there is no doubt that Jet Nation would quickly become the most annoying fan base in the league seeing we’d never shut up than....
That’s my story and I’m sticking too it...lol
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17futurecap
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Our time to shine, when they actually aren't playing games.
Miamipuck
Al Swearengen
Cool let me help with that.
I like what Douglas did in free agency. From numerous reports, he had a set price, if the player wouldn't meet it, he let them go. That's a stark contrast from all the GM's the Jets have had that either bid against themselves or offer stupid money so the player can't say, no.
The Jets depth chart sucks as a result of being the absolute worst drafting team in the NFL the past dozen years. They accumulate picks or trade them, they seem to get very few correct. Can Douglas help with that? I am not sure or better yet, we shall see. Much of drafting also works in conjunction with coaching the players and training them to be professional. I wouldn't say the Jets have been good in either regard.
Lets face it, Douglas can't be any worse. I hope he goes OT in the first, the WR's are deeper then ever and maybe he can find a good one in the 2nd or 3rd round, good OT's are much more difficult to find in later rounds.
I'm pretty sure it's literally impossible to be worse at drafting than Mike Maccagnan.
From the 2015 draft, no one remains on the roster. Leonard Williams was the only decent pick.
From 2016, it's Jordan Jenkins and Lachlan Edwards.
From 2017, it's Adams and Maye.
So from those three years, out of 22 picks, we have our starting safeties, a punter, and a decent LB. And two picks for Leonard Williams. It's incomprehensible. And if you take out round one, that's Jenkins, Edwards, and Maye. Three players in three years.
It needs to be a sizable offer for me to move the 4th pick. That is, getting a second 1st round pick in this years draft. I am not a fan of getting future 1sts. So who are teams that have multiple 1sts? Dolphins and Raiders are two that come to mind.
Now why would Miami make a trade like that? Well if you generate a market of interest you may be able to create panic for MIA to commit to moving up from 5 to 4, while adding one of their (2) later 1sts. I would also want a 3rd round pick added as well.
If you dont get blown away with a deal, take Simmons. He is a high end impact Defensive player. Youre right, this team has other holes to fix, but its not as many as we think, and if this is another stepping stone year in the rebuild you can revisit the next hole with the 2021 1st round pick.
To me their biggest needs are as follows:
Edge rusher - DE and LB
OL - Center, LT, RT
WR
CB
I have high hopes for Connelly. Same goes for Julian Love. Peppers will be solid. Bradberry. Baker was improving last year. Martinez added to the LBs. Zo Carter and Xman are serviceable.
Re-Sign Golden. Add Simmons that and you have some real promise with the Defense. The DT position is deep. Make the pass rush better to help the growth of the secondary.
Give Solder another year to buy a little more time.
Draft a Center in round 2. Draft DE, CB, WR in that order as draft moves on.
As i posted earlier, Gettleman has never taken an OL in the 1st round. His highest OL pick was Will Hernandez.
Next years draft you prioritize OL in round 1 then DE in round 2. Or reverse given Gettleman’s draft patterns.
Miamipuck
Al Swearengen
I agree MM was awful:
There's at least one GM that gives him a run for his money, John Idzik Jr. Lol
I actually think he was worse. For 5 years the Jets couldn't even draft by accident.
Joey Bones
***** 2k16
Think Herndon is the long-term piece, but he just needs to play. We'll see if he can develop. Has only been in the league for 2 years I think.
But late in the draft, I get it. Everyone else is on the short term, IMO. Doesn't hurt to add to a position of strength.
Joey Bones
***** 2k16
The Chargers could move up and so could the Dolphins. I think there is an small, outside chance the Patriots and Colts move up, but my surprise team is the Redskins picking a QB and then changing the whole draft entirely. I'm a Jets fan, but I do like to see the Giants succeed just as much as the Jets. Not sure what they need, though.
RangerBlues
Registered User
The Redskins are deluding themselves if they dont pick TT.
There is not a single defensive player thats worth more than a QB or left tackle.
And they have neither.
I hope the can Giants trade down and get OL and a WR
There is not a single defensive player thats worth more than a QB or left tackle.
And they have neither.
I hope the can Giants trade down and get OL and a WR
If the Redskins take TT and Chase Young is sitting there, they will not be trading down.
I would argue they will not trade down regardless and take Simmons if Young is not there.
I will give you the OL as being a priority, especially Center and Tackle, but will not give you WR. This is supposed to be a stepping stone year. The Giants have enough at the WR position to get by this year. Shep, Tate, Slayton, Coleman. Engram and Dion Lewis. They can always add a Vet OR take a WR in the middle of the draft and later. Supposed to be a deep WR class.
Final friendly reminder, Gettleman has never drafted an OL player in the 1st Round. I would be shocked if that changes on draft day given that LB/DE Edge rush is a huge weakness. They are still short a combination of (2) high quality DE/LB to help the defense grow.
Rd 1: Young/Simmons
Rd 2: Ruiz
Barnaby
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Idzik was even worse than Mac. Without looking it up, didn’t they draft close to 15 guys one year under Idzik and cut like all but 2-3, before the summer?
Edit: The Infamous Idzik 12: Where are Jets' 2014 draft picks now?
Idzik was a much worse talent evaluator in the draft and he wouldn't spend at all in fa.
He left Mac an almost blank slate to rebuild and Mac only hit on gimme picks, but Mac had at least those whereas idzik missed on 2 picks in the top 12 one year. Mac identified a QB and seems to have hit on several players such as Adams+Maye (which was interesting but worked), and herndon.
Miamipuck
Al Swearengen
Yes, he tried to set the Jets up with a dozen draft picks. Enunwa is the only player left from that draft.
It's like the Jets are Wild E Coyote and the rest of the NFL is Bugs Bunny or the Road Runner in comparison.
RangerBlues
Registered User
Simmons has to be full time LB with the athletic ability to rush the QB around the edge.
i agree I doubt Young will be there. Lions could take Fromm later in the draft to eventually transition from Stafford, or at least try to make Fromm the heir to the QB job. But who knows maybe they do something completely stupid and take someone else. I see Burrow and TT going to the Bengals and Skins respectively.
Simmons has to be full time LB with the athletic ability to rush the QB around the edge.
i agree I doubt Young will be there. Lions could take Fromm later in the draft to eventually transition from Stafford, or at least try to make Fromm the heir to the QB job. But who knows maybe they do something completely stupid and take someone else. I see Burrow and TT going to the Bengals and Skins respectively.
Maximus
Registered User
Here's the thing about MM that most peeps forget and tho you are no doubt right that Idzik was horrific as a GM, I still think MM was worse and here's why. If you recall when the Johnson's hired Charlie Casserly to help in their GM search, Casserly advised them that MM was the right guy.
MM was at the time of his hire, the head of college scouting for the Texans and his forte was his scouting and evaluation skills which was one of the reasons at the time, I admit I was pretty optimistic about the hire especially coming after the Idzik fiasco as he was horrible at player evals.
So for MM to come onto his role as Jet GM and in his entire tenor, his only good move that wasn't a "no brainer" where he showed some balls, was trading up with the Colts so he can pick a franchise type QB which ended up being Darnold(who fell into his lap after the Browns took Baker and the Gmen selecting Barkley) that's unbelievably terrible.
If you think about even further, his pick of Leonard Williams was a no brainer pick as he at the time was a possible #1 overall pick who ended up sliding to the Jets at #6. Jamal Adams also slipped to the Jets and he was a no brainer at 6 overall. Quinnen Williams who was another guy who everyone thought was the #1 guy overall also slipped to the Jets at #3.
The only time the Jets had a pick outside of the top 6 in the entire MM era, when Jets had the 20th overall pick and where MM actually didn't have a no-brainer and needed to rely on his supposed "evaluation skills", he took Darren Lee at #20 and we all know how that worked out.
2nd round picks from MM included such steller picks as Devin Smith and Christian Hackenberg. The only good 2nd round pick that MM made in his 4 years was Marcus Maye.
One last thing, of the 5 drafts this master talent evaluator MM was supposed to be of the 34 picks he made, only 11 are still remaining. That my friends is simply abysmal and an utter disaster and if there is any reason why the Jets are where they are at for the most part year after year, it's because they haven't had a good talent evaluator since the mid 90's when Terry Bradway was GM.
There is some hope tho for us longtime Jet knuckleheads like me whose loyalty over they years hasn't been rewarded but Joe Douglass has the pedigree having learned from one of the best in Ozzie Newsome and having played big parts in the Ravens and Eagles success over the years.
He has a "Jeff Gorton" vibe to him and I have a very strong hunch the Jets just might have gotten it right finally. He has a clue and knows how to build a football team and if his first FA spree is any indicator of future success, I'm feeling very confident in what he's going to do in the upcoming draft.
Bottom line due to Maccagnans horrific tenor, Douglass has alot of work to do but at the very least, I for one, fingers crossed, have some hope that there is a light at the end of the tunnel.
Miamipuck
Al Swearengen
A few things: 1.) Agreed MM sucked.
2.) Charlie Casserly is a senile old douchebag that should be put out to pasture.
That said:
The last thing I want to do is get into an argument over which Jets GM sucked more. That's like arguing which smells worse, cat shit or dog shit. Not the least of which is you're mostly correct, I just think JI sucked more than MM.
I am not going to stick my neck out and say Douglas is good great or stinks. He has a lot of work ahead of him and has not record one way or anther, short of showing financial restraint and being the first Jets Gm with a clue about not bidding against himself in addition to building a wall around Darnold. If it was up toMM he would have had 5 orange cones and had Goodell change the rules for the DLineman to count to 5 Mississippi. He had no concept of building an NFL team. Douglas at least looks like he gets it. Now lets see if he can build on it by improving the Jets draft from 32nd place to the lower 20's of drafting prowess. I just want progress, no matter how small.
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KirkAlbuquerque
#WeNeverGetAGoodCoach
Cat shit clearly smells worse AINEC.
For this draft, if Wirfs or Thomas or someone of that caliber falls to us (doubtful) fine take them, but I don't want to settle for a B-tier OT just because its a desperate need, especially if one of Jeudy or Lamb or even Ruggs is there. A project OT who is 2 or 3 years away from being a full time starter does nothing for Sam, whereas a blue chip WR can contribute right away. I do think however that JD's interior line signings will help a lot, yeah our tackles suck but last season we were getting blown up down the middle way too much. Kalil was a disaster. Sam is good at maneuvering in the pocket. The line will not be fixed in 1 offseason. Get him some got damned weapons, please.
Arizona drafted like 5 WR in last years draft to help Murray. And then they nab Hopkins this offseason. Now they can use their high pick on a premier tackle. They got the right idea.
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JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK
Twenty f*ckin years
- Oct 8, 2010
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Just saw some dink on Twitter try to say that Jimmy Graham belongs on the NFL all decade team more than Kelce
Graham has to be one of the most overrated NFLers I've ever seen
Graham has to be one of the most overrated NFLers I've ever seen
While I like Adams as a player he was not in any sense a no brainer considering Deshaun watson and Patrick Mahomes were available. I'm not saying he was top of my list but the most pressing need for the Jets was QB, not safety. Scouts considered one or the other the top QB in the class and there was no reason not to take a chance with one of them. A lot of the criticism the Chiefs took was the amount they paid to move up.
