OT: 2019 Football Thread: Part III – Danny Dimes and Sammy Spleens Edition

[sbjnyc]

There are so many bad coaches, bad teams, bad offensive lines, and bad kickers in this league, I don't remember it being this bad back in the day. the NFL really is a garbage league when you look at it, worst in North America. 4-5 teams that are always good save for 1 or 2 surprises and then 20+ trashfires. Not to mention the commercial overload and the DISGRACEFUL referees. The NFL is lucky that America loves football because they don't deserve their success.

Not that I disagree with you basic assessment but most playoff teams don't repeat.

 

[17futurecap]

Love Jamal at edge rusher
Good half from Sam outside of another awful int.
The Redskins stink.

The end.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

The Redskins are horrible. Jets will probably end with around the 6th 0r 7th pick, hope theres as stud OT available or a WR

 

[True Blue]

What? The McSorely play was far worse than this. This was a helmet to the head. Not a stick from behind. How can you even say that Garrett's was worse? McSorely's was from behind and Brashear could have died if he had a looser helmet.

Stick to helmet is not the samething as helmet to bare head,

For reference what do you suppose a 10 pound dumbell to the head would do?

 

[True Blue]

A bit extreme. Results matter as well - attempted assault? What are you charging him with? I think the remainder of this season and 4-6 games next season is fair. I don’t want the guy to lose his livelihood, but that’s money he’ll never get back and will severely effect his career going forward. Suh has done comparable nonsense.

If anyone came up on any street and whacked someone over the head with a football helmet, the bare minumum is aggravated assault. If the victim was to die from the injuries, it is manslaughter. Both will see the aggressor away for a long time. Who cares about his career? He is a cold eyed vandal who deserves everything the system can throw at him.

If someone beat your mother over the head with a football helmet, what would you say? Suh, is a douche, he has done NOTHING that is would get him arrested in a court of law over what he did on the field.

Loose livelihood? He deserves NOTHING.

 

[True Blue]

Let's not get crazy. Kareem Hunt is currently playing for the browns. Players. are getting 4-8 game bans for doing things that are much worse.

Hammer weapon to head. And we are saying let's not get crazy??

Knife to the kidney? 12 games and then let's get the reformed individual on the field because we would not want to deprive him of his source of income, unlike his victims.

For all those defensing would you still be defending if your little brother had his skull caved in by a weapon?

 

[True Blue]

Should get the electric chair.

No idea how large your family is, but if you had a younger sibling that had his skull caved in with a foot ball helmet, would you still be as sanguine knowing that if that was done on the street the preparator was going away for a long time?

Would you still be singing cum ba ya?

 

[Maximus]

The Redskins are horrible. Jets will probably end with around the 6th 0r 7th pick, hope theres as stud OT available or a WR

That's what I'm thinking as well. I looked and there are two stud OLine guys who will be picked in top 10 and where the Jets will likely pick from in that 5 to 8 range, that would be perfect place to take on.

Heck, if there is an Oline guy that slips a bit, I hope Douglass uses some draft capital and move up if need be seeing of all the many areas of need(edege rusher, cover CB's, Oline and WR), the Oline is THE most important place the Jets need to improve.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Well, looks like the Giants are the worst NFL team in NY now. It's pretty competitive though.

 

[sbjnyc]

Well, looks like the Giants are the worst NFL team in NY now. It's pretty competitive though.

Jets have 3 wins all against the nfc east. Bring on the eagles.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

That's what I'm thinking as well. I looked and there are two stud OLine guys who will be picked in top 10 and where the Jets will likely pick from in that 5 to 8 range, that would be perfect place to take on.

Heck, if there is an Oline guy that slips a bit, I hope Douglass uses some draft capital and move up if need be seeing of all the many areas of need(edege rusher, cover CB's, Oline and WR), the Oline is THE most important place the Jets need to improve.

this may be foolish of me but I trust Douglas knows and identifies that o-line is the single most important thing to address this upcoming offseason. We still have a ton of holes, but this takes priority.

 

[Maximus]

Well, looks like the Giants are the worst NFL team in NY now. It's pretty competitive though.

Yeah not only that but Gmen are probably one of the 5 worst teams in the league. If you wanted to rank the shittiest teams in the league in order, here's how I'd go:

#1 Bengals are simply horrid. One of worst teams I've seen in maybe the last 10 years. They actually have a really good chance of going winless as the only two teams I see them having a chance to win in their final 6 games are vs the Jets at home and at Miami and in both of those games, they'll likely be underdogs.

#2 Redskins are pretty damn close to being worse than Cincy as they are abominable but Cincy has them beat for ineptitude. Haskins doesn't look NFL ready yet at QB...not even close!

#3 Giants and I don't see it getting much better honestly. They might win just two more games in their final 6...home vs the Dolphins and at the Redskins. Just a terrible year for Big Blue

#4 Miami despite their "Tanking for Tua" start have actually been pretty competitive lately

#5 And of course my Jets who with their easy peasy upcoming schedule, I could see them winning 3 maybe 4 more games of their final 6 and likely screw up a garnering a Top 5 pick in next year's draft. Only the Jets can screw up a shitty year...lol

 

[Boris Zubov]

Jets have 3 wins all against the nfc east. Bring on the eagles.

That's hilarious. Ladies & gents, may I present the worst division in the NFL!

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Stick to helmet is not the samething as helmet to bare head,

For reference what do you suppose a 10 pound dumbell to the head would do?

Are you sure you remember the McSorely play? The stick hit Brash on the side of the head near the ear in an unprotected area. Further, during the fall, his helmet was loose and Brash was unconscious before he ever hit the ice. I think you need to re-review that play as your memory is a bit off on it, TB. To say it was "stick to helmet" is just objectively wrong.

Further, the impact from that stick was far, far, far harder than the helmet. And, as many people have brought up, the stick has all of its weight up in the blade (along with the power behind whipping a longer object). A hockey stick is going to do far more pinpoint damage than a helmet will.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Hammer weapon to head. And we are saying let's not get crazy??

Knife to the kidney? 12 games and then let's get the reformed individual on the field because we would not want to deprive him of his source of income, unlike his victims.

For all those defensing would you still be defending if your little brother had his skull caved in by a weapon?

Please do not equate a hammer to a helmet. One has all of its mass in a tiny little area. The other has its mass spread out over a large area. One is exponentially more dangerous than the other.

 

[JimmyG89]

Nice game from Darnold yesterday, but he's playing against an awful team. Two solid weeks in a row though.

Now, Oakland is a different kind of team. Hoping they are competitive with them, but expecting them to lose. One thing going against the Raiders is the 1PM east coast game. Always tough for West teams coming East.

 

[sbjnyc]

Nice game from Darnold yesterday, but he's playing against an awful team. Two solid weeks in a row though.

Now, Oakland is a different kind of team. Hoping they are competitive with them, but expecting them to lose. One thing going against the Raiders is the 1PM east coast game. Always tough for West teams coming East.

The raiders have a terrible defense. I'd ordinarily expect a higher scoring game but considering they squeaked out a 17-10 win against the bungles I'm not so sure.

 

[True Blue]

Are you sure you remember the McSorely play? The stick hit Brash on the side of the head near the ear in an unprotected area. Further, during the fall, his helmet was loose and Brash was unconscious before he ever hit the ice. I think you need to re-review that play as your memory is a bit off on it, TB. To say it was "stick to helmet" is just objectively wrong.

Further, the impact from that stick was far, far, far harder than the helmet. And, as many people have brought up, the stick has all of its weight up in the blade (along with the power behind whipping a longer object). A hockey stick is going to do far more pinpoint damage than a helmet will.

I do remember it. And I believe it is only by miracle that a death did not occur in this case. He could have caved his skull in and that would have been that.

Please do not equate a hammer to a helmet. One has all of its mass in a tiny little area. The other has its mass spread out over a large area. One is exponentially more dangerous than the other.

Sorry, here I disagree. My analogy stands. Both could have caved the skull in. That is what Garrett did. If he did that on the street, it is aggravated assault. If he victim dies, it is manslaughter. Both result in significant jail time. To me, a lifetime ban is the minimum. If I was the victim, I would have brought charges.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

The raiders have a terrible defense. I'd ordinarily expect a higher scoring game but considering they squeaked out a 17-10 win against the bungles I'm not so sure.

The Raiders are not a great team, they're decent. Their best weapon is Jacobs and the Jets have a great run defense. However Carr is a good QB and I can see him doing damage through the air. Not expecting a win but hope its a competitive game and most importantly Sam plays well.

 

[sbjnyc]

Sorry, here I disagree. My analogy stands. Both could have caved the skull in. That is what Garrett did. If he did that on the street, it is aggravated assault. If he victim dies, it is manslaughter. Both result in significant jail time. To me, a lifetime ban is the minimum. If I was the victim, I would have brought charges.

Do you have any statistics providing the relative outcomes after being hit in the head by a football helmet? You're suggesting it can do more damage than being hit in the head by a baseball at 100 mph.

 

[True Blue]

Do you have any statistics providing the relative outcomes after being hit in the head by a football helmet? You're suggesting it can do more damage than being hit in the head by a baseball at 100 mph.

Sorry, I do not have such studies. However having seen and felt football helmets, I can logically predict what the outcome would be if someone is cracked in the skull with it. Or do you dispute the damage it would cause?

 

[sbjnyc]

Sorry, I do not have such studies. However having seen and felt football helmets, I can logically predict what the outcome would be if someone is cracked in the skull with it. Or do you dispute the damage it would cause?

I don't see how you can logically predict the outcome.

 

[True Blue]

I don't see how you can logically predict the outcome.

Do you deny the impact that a helmet hitting a person's head would have?

 

[sbjnyc]

Do you deny the impact that a helmet hitting a person's head would have?

I saw it didn't seem to have much of an impact that one time.

 

[romba]

Please do not equate a hammer to a helmet. One has all of its mass in a tiny little area. The other has its mass spread out over a large area. One is exponentially more dangerous than the other.

While I agree with you in concept, once you have to start using Physics force equations to prove the inverse relationship between force and area of impact to show that it is not as ideal of a weapon as a hammer is, then the battle is already over.