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OT: 2019 Football Thread: Part III – Danny Dimes and Sammy Spleens Edition

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Miami is so trying to lose on purpose. That short kickoff leading to the FG was clear evidence of that
 
I hate to say it and pour salt on Jets' fans wounds but I think this may be sans baseball, which I don't know follow, the worst franchise in NY. Just no hope.
 
The NFL needs to do something to make field goals more difficult.. The kickers have been getting too good. Within a decade they'll be hitting with the snap from within their team's own territory.
 
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SnowblindNYR said:
I remember when the Giants really ****ed up because 2018 was the best QB draft ever and the last draft ever where a team can get a QB.
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Giants likely still made 2 incorrect picks. The Giants should have gone with Chubb or Ward in 2018 then Allen at 6 in 2019 and moved up to take Jones if needed. They do that they're a much better team right now.
 
BMOK33 said:
Giants likely still made 2 incorrect picks. The Giants should have gone with Chubb or Ward in 2018 then Allen at 6 in 2019 and moved up to take Jones if needed. They do that they're a much better team right now.
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There's no guarantee they could have moved up for Jones. You don't play around with potentially franchise QBs. If you're not sold on Jones that's one thing but if you are and are trying to get cute hoping to pass on him and then trade up you're overthinking it. It's like going back in time and complaining you bought a winning lotto ticket for a dollar when you could have haggled and gotten it for 50 cents.
 
Outside of being a young QB who has had some struggles he does not remind of Mark Sanchez at all.

And can we stop with the regressing/improving nonsense after every single game? It's not linear. He's had some good games he's had some bad games neither necessarily means that's the trajectory he's on.
 
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Never thought I'd be for a 1 and done coach, but Gase is so bad he needs to go. He has no ability to lead a team. The Dolphin players threw a party when he left.

How can an organization be run worse than the Knicks?
 
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JimmyG89 said:
Never thought I'd be for a 1 and done coach, but Gase is so bad he needs to go. He has no ability to lead a team. The Dolphin players threw a party when he left.

How can an organization be run worse than the Knicks?
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Frankly, Gase being unable to lead the team would be fine if he was helping Darnold develop. Unfortunately, Darnold is still showing the same holes in his game that he had at USC.
 
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You wonder if the loser of next weeks game is fired no matter who it is. I think its a lock Gase is and if the Giants are embarrassed both tomorrow and next week Shurmur could be
 
Crease said:
At this point he's wayyy closer to Sanchez than he is to Pennington.
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He's nothing like either of those two players. Pennington sat for what, 2+ seasons and just learned. That dude was always going to go as far as his brain took him. Sam didn't sit and doesn't have that kind of brain (most QBs don't).

Sanchez was a proto-typical game manager, Neil O'Donnell style. His first two years in the league, all he had to do was not give the game away. He had an absolutely DOMINANT O-line (D'Brickashaw and Mangold in their primes, along with rock-solid vets like Faneca, Brandon Moore, and Damien Woody). He had Thomas Jones and Ladainian Tomlinson to carry the rock. He had Cotchery, Braylon Edwards, Santonio Holmes, and Dustin Keller to throw to.

On defense, he had prime Revis and guys like Leonhard, Kerry Rhodes, Bart Scott, David Harriss, Shaun Ellis, & Cromartie.

He even had a special teams/gadget freak in Brad Smith.

Sanchez fell off the side of the world when they assumed he could carry a team himself. Instead of Jones and LT, he had Shonn Green. Instead of Cotcherry, Holmes, Keller, and Edwards, he had Jeff Cumberland, Stephen Hill, Chaz Schillens. The O-Line still had Brick and Mangold, but the three guys around them got older and/or weaker. On D, Revis, Leonhard, and Rhodes were replaced by Kyle Wilson, Yeremiah Bell, and LaRon Landry.

TL/DR, they started to rely on Sanchez to win the games rather than to just not give them away. And he couldn't do it.

Darnold doesn't even have close to the same supporting cast. Bell is no Jones/LT. The BEST O-lineman on today's team wouldn't even start on those 09/10 teams. Herndon is no Dustin Keller, and that's even when Herndon could go near a field without exploding with injuries. The WR's aren't that much worse, but there's no #1 guy, really. Just like 2012, it's a whole corps made up of slot receivers and one-trick pony's. The only 3 guys on defense who could have hung with the D back in Sanchez's first couple of seasons are Mosely, Adams, and Maye, two of whom can't stay healthy.

Before writing off Darnold, I want to see him with even HALF of what Sanchez had covering for him back then. This team needs to replace the entire offensive line, the entire secondary outside of Adams, and then rebuild the defense and the receiving corps.

Darnold, as one of the youngest QBs in the league was expected to carry the team on his back with almost no supporting cast. I'd be seeing ghosts, too.
 
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