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OT: 2019 Football Thread: Part II – Free Agency and The Draft

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Leetch3 said:
I think most of the comments are more about the extreme negative overreaction to the pick and the immediate flip flop after 1 game than anything about jones not being 'proven' has there ever been a more hated pick based on virtually nothing before actually seeing a kid? and its all meant in good fun, atleast from my stand point lol.
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I think many of us have been openly eating crow since camp and pre-season, however. I sure have (and I admit it). I flipped in camp when he was clearly a different player than I saw at Duke.
 
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Hunter Gathers said:
I think many of us have been openly eating crow since camp and pre-season, however. I sure have (and I admit it). I flipped in camp when he was clearly a different player than I saw at Duke.
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just curious, was it that Jones was unable to be properly evaluated at Duke due to the poor players surrounding him there, or that he's matured and grown so much in such a short time? (or both)
 
romba said:
just curious, was it that Jones was unable to be properly evaluated at Duke due to the poor players surrounding him there, or that he's matured and grown so much in such a short time? (or both)
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The reads. He was a one-and-lock player at Duke. He frequently made one read and that was it. However, this may be due to the talent level at Duke as you say. I am truly not sure. I've never seen a player change so much from college to the NFL.

His main issue is he's still trying to do too much. That will hopefully develop, though.
 
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Hunter Gathers said:
The reads. He was a one-and-lock player at Duke. He frequently made one read and that was it. However, this may be due to the talent level at Duke as you say. I am truly not sure. I've never seen a player change so much from college to the NFL.

His main issue is he's still trying to do too much. That will hopefully develop, though.
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What about the idea that he had a weak arm?
 
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Ya Daniel Jones is the weirdest, most non sensical thing ever.

I was legitimately impressed yesterday. Love how unafraid of pressure he is, dude will get macked to make a throw and he doesn’t give a f***. His pocket presence overall was very impressive, he timed his throws brilliantly, basically like a milisecond before the pressure got home. His arm look well above average, too. He could definitely make a lot of people (myself included) feel very very stupid...but then again, this whole thing makes no sense so :laugh:
 
Joe Douglas will need every morsel of knowledge he gained working for the Ravens and Eagles to turn the Jets around. The Jets need everything except a QB and safeties. The Jets need an entire offensive line and playmakers. The Jets need help at defensive line, linebacker and corner.

Mike Mccagnan and John Idzik destroyed this team.

Douglas needs to hire a new head coach too.

Douglas needs to trade Leonard Williams. The guy will be a free agent at the end of this season. The Jets would be insane to invest big money in this player. The franchise tag for defensive end's was $17M last season. Does anyone want Williams at the trade deadline?

 
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sbjnyc said:
By what metric? Cam Newton threw for 422 yards and 2 TDs his first game and also ran one in. I posted upthread about Browning Nagle's 366 yards and 2 TDs his first game.
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To clarify I heard the same thing, but to add to that it was the best of a rookie QB in his first and his team won the game. Whether that is still accurate or not someone would have to fact check.
 
Kovalev27 said:
This to me Is the biggest thing. On what planet did these pundits come away with the idea he had no arm? Amazing to me.
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Francesa was saying his ball comes out of the slot funny. If you watch some of his deeper throws you sort of see that. It seems like he has flutter on his ball but it’s not like he’s Leinart or something like that
 
Rangerfan4life90 said:
What? Plenty of QB's blew up the league as a rookie and ended up not panning out. RG3 and Kaep are two for starters.
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Ehhhh take a look at Kaep’s numbers. He had a bad season in 2015 when he was hurt half the year but he was good in 2016 again and then out of league for reasons we all know about. You’re correct on RG3 though for sue
 
BMOK33 said:
Ehhhh take a look at Kaep’s numbers. He had a bad season in 2015 when he was hurt half the year but he was good in 2016 again and then out of league for reasons we all know about. You’re correct on RG3 though for sue
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He's right on kaep too. He had bottom tier QB numbers his last year, was hurt before that and looked bad before injury too.

He flat out could not make plays the way he used to, his body was breaking down, he couldn't read defenses effectively to make up for it, he became a headache for the owners AND he still wanted to get paid top dollar (which everyone ignores that last bit. He had contract offers. He turned them down bc he wanted top money). He quit when he had the option to stay in a contract that paid him very well. He refused to take a pay cut and his gf just happened to insult the owner of the team kaep was right about to interview with. If he hadn't turned himself into a pariah and seemingly gone out of his way to stay unemployed (for obvious reasons) then he MIGHT have gotten a chance to flame out somewhere else the same way Sanchez did in Philly.

Either way, he was on his way down. To his credit he just didn't throw many picks. Didn't throw many TD's or make any huge plays either. His 2nd best season of his career he threw under 20 TD's. Best two seasons were 21 and 19. Then he threw 6 in his injury season and only 16 in his last. 16 TDs and we're pretending he was "good" because he kneeled down. He wasn't. He was serviceable at best.

Averaged only a little over 1 passing TD per game in his career years and I gotta still hear about how good he was. Backup QBs and game managers aren't worth the headache he brought
 
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What the hell has happened to Antonio Brown? Was he always like this and just showed his true colors over the past year or so, or has the amount of hits he's taken to the head completely altered him?
 
Rangerfan4life90 said:
What the hell has happened to Antonio Brown? Was he always like this and just showed his true colors over the past year or so, or has the amount of hits he's taken to the head completely altered him?
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Some people say the nasty hit that Burfict put on him a few years ago really changed him mentally. I definitely don’t think he’s always been this crazy/unstable.
 
Fugazy said:
Some people say the nasty hit that Burfict put on him a few years ago really changed him mentally. I definitely don’t think he’s always been this crazy/unstable.
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Yeah, I read about that. But regardless, he's probably always been like this on some surface level, but maybe that hit amplified it tenfold.
 
Fugazy said:
When he shot himself in the leg.

I think they were 8-0 and firing on all cylinders. They definitely would have been the favorite.
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Ahh I misunderstood the question. I thought you meant the Superbowl they won in 2008, which was not the season place shot himself.
 
Josh Norman taking a face mask penalty and going down in a heap in the same play makes me smile.
 
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