Prospect Info: 2019 Draft Thread: The Countdown - 2 days to go!

[dem]

If they think Broberg develops into a top 4 then its a fine pick...

Everyones a scout these days..

 

[780il]

If they think Broberg develops into a top 4 then its a fine pick...

Everyones a scout these days..

Unless they think Broberg is a surefire top pair d down the road, I don't want anything to do with him.

 

[Llamamoto]

The only thing that worries me is that they took him out for dinner.

I believe Cozens was the only other player?

That's what Stauffer said. Maybe he's trying to freak out HFOIL?

Unless I'm mistaken, last year Kotkaniemi, Boqvist, and Smith were taken out to dinner by the Oilers. Everyone thought that the top-10 was set in stone, until the draft actually happened. That's what I hope. One of Zegras, Turcotte, Dach, Byram, Caufield, or Boldy fall so that the Oilers pounce on one of them.

 

[McTonyBrar]

Nolan Foote is also a forward

I got that mixed up with Cal Foote from the earlier drafts lmao my bad

 

[ConnorMcMullet]

That's what Stauffer said. Maybe he's trying to freak out HFOIL?

Unless I'm mistaken, last year Kotkaniemi, Boqvist, and Smith were taken out to dinner by the Oilers. Everyone thought that the top-10 was set in stone, until the draft actually happened. That's what I hope. One of Zegras, Turcotte, Dach, Byram, Caufield, or Boldy fall so that the Oilers pounce on one of them.

I hope there are some reaches ala last year, but I fear we'll be the one doing the reaching. As in Philip Broberg.

 

[Rufus Aslegard]

Unless they think Broberg is a surefire top pair d down the road, I don't want anything to do with him.

Broberg is a luxury the Oilers do not need to reach on. 6 spots for the following:

Larsson
Klefbom
Nurse
Sekera
Russell
Benning

Bouchard
Jones
Bear
Samourkov
Lagesson
Broberg?

12 spots for 6 players. Even if the Oilers move out 2 of Sekera, Russell and Benning, you are losing a few prospects for nothing. Just not enough spots.

Bouchard and Jones move up. You still have to figure out what to do with Bear and Lagesson.

 

[Joey Moss]

If they think Broberg develops into a top 4 then its a fine pick...

Everyones a scout these days..

I don't think it is fine.

I'll take a potential 50+ point forward over the top 4 defenseman for this team.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

I'm going to be really disappointed if they pick Broberg. That pick makes about as much sense for us as trading for Reinhart in 2015. This is not a need at all. Both the main roster and prospects are stronger on the blue line, especially left handed defenders. The forwards in this draft are about as can't miss as I can remember. We need to find cheap ELC forwards who can play more than anything.. dumb dumb dumb. Do not take Broberg.

ive said a few times it only makes sense if one or more of our LHD prospects are trade bait.

If, say, Jones for Roslovic took shape, then Broberg could be a very sensible pick at 8 - *if* Holland is convinced he's a lock to be at least a #3 defenceman.

 

[Stud Muffin]

The only thing that worries me is that they took him out for dinner.

I believe Cozens was the only other player?

Only other one mentioned. Usually they take out 3-4 players so there’s probably a couple more guys.

 

[dem]

I don't think it is fine.

I'll take a potential 50+ point forward over the top 4 defenseman for this team.

They are both years away. You have to pick who you think will be a player.

IMO, anyway.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

I got that mixed up with Cal Foote from the earlier drafts lmao my bad

haha all good. Easy to confuse these sons of ex players.

Having the right name is a good way to get hired or drafted, though. Paul Fenton recently promoted his son to head of amateur scouting. He's been a scout for all of three years.

 

[ConnorMcMullet]

Only other one mentioned. Usually they take out 3-4 players so there’s probably a couple more guys.

Hmmm. The one guy I haven't heard anything about is Matthew Boldy, which is pretty odd. He should be right in their range.

 

[Llamamoto]

ive said a few times it only makes sense if one or more of our LHD prospects are trade bait.

If, say, Jones for Roslovic took shape, then Broberg could be a very sensible pick at 8 - *if* Holland is convinced he's a lock to be at least a #3 defenceman.

Klefbom, Nurse, Sekera, Russell, Broberg, and Samorukov is still a logjam at LHD. And Jack Roslovic won't exactly solve our scoring woes up front.

From both a positional standpoint, and a BPA standpoint picking Broberg just doesn't make sense, which is why I don't see Holland taking him.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Klefbom, Nurse, Sekera, Russell, Broberg, and Samorukov is still a logjam at LHD. And Jack Roslovic won't exactly solve our scoring woes up front.

From both a positional standpoint, and a BPA standpoint picking Broberg just doesn't make sense, which is why I don't see Holland taking him.

Sekera and Russell are gone after 2 years, Samorukov is really good but not a lock, and Nurse could price himself out long term.

Broberg is only 17 on draft day. I'm not saying I'd make that pick or that I'd like it, but I can see a certain kind of logic to it.

 

[dem]

Klefbom, Nurse, Sekera, Russell, Broberg, and Samorukov is still a logjam at LHD. And Jack Roslovic won't exactly solve our scoring woes up front.

From both a positional standpoint, and a BPA standpoint picking Broberg just doesn't make sense, which is why I don't see Holland taking him.

Sekera and Russell will be long gone by the time Broberg or Samorukov are ready to go.

If they are a go at all.

 

[Beerfish]

Leason has 12 more points in 10 less games.

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but isn't Kastelic more a Maroon type?

Leason can drive play. Kastelic gets his points mostly in front of the net and getting rebounds.

Yeah I certainly realize the players are different and for sure Leason is justifiably rated higher I just find it peculiar that Leason is being talked of as a late 1st early 2nd rounder, Kastelic as once again not being drafted perhaps.

 

[Rufus Aslegard]

Yeah I certainly realize the players are different and for sure Leason is justifiably rated higher I just find it peculiar that Leason is being talked of as a late 1st early 2nd rounder, Kastelic as once again not being drafted perhaps.

Kastelic is #132 among NA skaters according to Central Scouting. Leason is #25. Leason is the anomaly here. Most undrafted 20 year olds never get drafted.

 

[CupofOil]

I'm not a fan of the Broberg idea but maybe the Oilers brass see him as the highest ceiling player at 8 because lets be honest, none of these forwards projected to be available at 8 are slam dunk high upside picks no matter what HFOil thinks. They all come with question marks so I could possibly see why they would be intrigued by Broberg.

I prefer a forward too (I like Krebs the most outside the top 6 consensus if one is to consider Cozens outside of the top 6) but none are sure things to be quite honest.
One thing to keep in mind about Broberg too is that he played forward until recently so he's relatively new to the position and could have more growth potential than his peers as a result.

 

[Leon Draisaitl]

Some interesting talk on Dorofeyev. Bob's list has him at #82 and in the thread on the mainboards Mark Edwards of HP said this: "Dorofeyev has some warts so many will pass. Our ranking is based on his skill and that he was a player who has top 6 potential. I know scouts who had a no draft grades, so guessing so does Bob. Most likely a boom or bust guy."

I read a theory on here by someone else and it makes sense to me. Of the 10 scouts surveyed, potentially 3 of them had Dorofeyev as a do not draft. The other 7 ranked him as a late 1st (25-30). When you tabulate those results, it comes up as an average ranking in the early 80s (AKA where McKenzie's list has him).

I don't think his shot is his best asset, both his hands and passing are better. He's very, very, dangerous offensively with the puck on his stick. I think you're underrating both his hands and hockey sense a fair bit, he can see plays very quickly in the offensive zone and I'd definitely describe his hands as elite. Combine that with a good shot and skating, and he's the total package offensively. I can see why others have him in their top-20 and even top-10...

..if you only look at his offense. He's very inconsistent and somewhere between useless and a liability on defense. His style of play is almost exclusively East/West and, while he does make some big hits, can be caught playing on the perimeter and avoiding driving to the net.

I'd look at him with our 2nd depending on who is available, and would take him with our 3rd without hesitation. Too much upside to go after that.

I have to disagree with this part. He's not as engaged defensively as one would like, but it's not as bad as you have it. I'd say he competes just as well, if not better, than many players ranked firmly ahead of him including Kaliyev, Zegras, Dach and Puistola. I feel Dorofeyev is part of a lazy narrative (Russian offensive forward therefore can't defend).

 

[Beerfish]

Kastelic is #132 among NA skaters according to Central Scouting. Leason is #25. Leason is the anomaly here. Most undrafted 20 year olds never get drafted.

Yes and thus my doubts about Leason and all the noise around him.

As for Broberg, i am not at all opposed to taking a Dman with our 1st. I just think he is simply not anywhere near justifiable at 8 compared to who will be there. Also there is always at least one surprise early. I can see the Oilers having a crack at one of the guys we as a board like but do not think will be there. (Dach, Zegras) Someone like Seider or York or the goalie might get taken top 7.

 

[joestevens29]

I'm not a fan of the Broberg idea but maybe the Oilers brass see him as the highest ceiling player at 8 because lets be honest, none of these forwards projected to be available at 8 are slam dunk high upside picks no matter what HFOil thinks. They all come with question marks so I could possibly see why they would be intrigued by Broberg.

I prefer a forward too (I like Krebs the most outside the top 6 consensus) but none are sure things to be quite honest.

One day it's a top 6 consensus, next day it's a top 4 consensus. The whole thing is changing a lot day to day.

One thing is for sure no matter who we pick there will be a fair amount of people claiming the Oilers messed it up.

 

[ConnorMcMullet]

I read a theory on here by someone else and it makes sense to me. Of the 10 scouts surveyed, potentially 3 of them had Dorofeyev as a do not draft. The other 7 ranked him as a late 1st (25-30). When you tabulate those results, it comes up as an average ranking in the early 80s (AKA where McKenzie's list has him).


I have to disagree with this part. He's not as engaged defensively as one would like, but it's not as bad as you have it. I'd say he competes just as well, if not better, than many players ranked firmly ahead of him including Kaliyev, Zegras, Dach and Puistola. I feel Dorofeyev is part of a lazy narrative (Russian offensive forward therefore can't defend).

Could be. I haven't watched any of Dorofeyev except the little I can find on YouTube, so it's probably not too accurate.

 

[Rufus Aslegard]

Yes and thus my doubts about Leason and all the noise around him.

As for Broberg, i am not at all opposed to taking a Dman with our 1st. I just think he is simply not anywhere near justifiable at 8 compared to who will be there. Also there is always at least one surprise early. I can see the Oilers having a crack at one of the guys we as a board like but do not think will be there. (Dach, Zegras) Someone like Seider or York or the goalie might get taken top 7.

For what it is worth, I tend to agree with you about Leason. He is 20 and only put up 89 points. Ethan Bear put up 70 points as a 20 year old. Tristan Langan put up 113 points as a 20 year old. Langan is undrafted as well.

 

[Rufus Aslegard]

For what it is worth, I tend to agree with you about Leason. He is 20 and only put up 89 points. Ethan Bear put up 70 points as a 20 year old. Tristan Langan put up 113 points as a 20 year old. Langan is undrafted as well.

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[ConnorMcMullet]

One thing I will say is that even if the Oilers end up drafting a player I'm not high on (Cozens, Podkolzin, Broberg, etc) I'm not going to be angry and say they messed up, and I don't think anyone should either. There is a lot going on behind the scenes we don't know about, and they're professional scouts for a reason.

And I'm certainly not going to hope the player busts so that I could say "I told you so".