Prospect Info: 2019 Draft Thread: The Countdown - 2 days to go!

[SK13]

I understand the surface level analysis behind mocking Broberg to Edmonton, but I doubt it happens.

 

[CornKicker]

Yeah, I myself am going to try to not be upset if the oilers go "off the board" so to speak with their pick. In hindsight I would have been upset not taking Yakupov or Puljujarvi since they were consensus at the time but if our scouts sense red flags with certain players or feel like a different player has a better ceiling then I will have to place my trust in them. At the end of the day, we can't judge any of these picks until several years down the line.

if they go off the board it will just be Jesse Ninnimaki all over again

 

[CornKicker]

Leave it to the Oilers to draft a poor man's Bogosian when you have the deepest pool of forward prospects in a draft in over a decade.

There are fans who actually agree with Broberg for no apparent reason. Broberg has 1 strength. Skate fast in a straight line. There is absolutely nothing in his game from what I see. His pro stats looks tragic. 0 evidence of a top 8 prospect.

the same posters pumping up for broberg hate darnell nurse...........very similar skill sets and deficiencies except brobergs toughness is more corey potter than nurse.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

People who are saying Broberg isnt the BPA arent real scouts.

I doubt they have watched many of his games or know what is happening behind the scenes of his development. They just watch a few games or a tournament or read a few reports/rankings and somehow are willing to die on a hill for their unsubstantiated beliefs.

Its a hfboard disease.

Id trust the scouting staff who has provided us a deep defensive prospect pool... about defensemen.

Any forward we get this year, including my favorite (Boldy), is at least a year away. Probably 2.

And didnt Holland say we'd let prospects develop in the minors? So maybe 3-4 years? Then they to adapt to the NHL before becoming reliable top 6 fowards. So we are potentially 6 years away from an impact forward.

We have Jones, Bear, Samurokov, Persson, Bouchard.

None are guarantee to hit as top 2 defensement. NONE.

Our top D prospect, Bouchard, could be nothing more than a PP QB/bottom pair. Same with Persson and Bear.

Jones could be a bottom pair like Benning.

We as a fan base have gone on and on and on about us lacking and needing a #1 D for years. Everyone knows the importance of it.

I have no problem with them taking Broberg if their amateur scouting staff view him as a potential #1.

We could always trade one of our current D prospects for a forward prospect with similar potential. Heck!! Defensemen are more valuable than wingers, so we might even get a higher quality prospect in return.

If Broberg can develop his shot and breakout pass then yes, i for sure see a #1 defensemen.

 

[CycloneSweep]

the same posters pumping up for broberg hate darnell nurse...........very similar skill sets and deficiencies except brobergs toughness is more corey potter than nurse.

I am a vocal not Nurse fan. I see the same issues with Broberg but Broberg is worse defensively from the start and I think Yamamoto is more physical .

 

[nexttothemoon]

There is no hfboards 'disease' people simply think he is not the best player at 8 and also think forwards (a bigger need) are there.

There is nothing wrong with disagreeing with the people running the oilers draft, we have about 15 years of fails to look at. On the one hand you credit our front office for all of our D prospect depth, you then state that they may not be as good as people are speculating and then you seem to project Broberg to be a #1

I wish I could LIKE this 5 times with a big GOLD STAR.



There's plenty of crappy Oilers picks that turned into nothing (or very underwhelming at best) where they could have chosen better prospects.

Pro scouts are far, far, far from being perfect and never will be because drafting prospects is more art than science... more gut than precise formulas.

I would have taken Kucherov over Musil and said so at the time. Swing and a big miss by the Oilers scouting staff.

I would have taken McAvoy over JP and said so at the time. Swing and a big miss by the Oilers scouting staff.

Now this year IF they take Broberg over Kaliyev. Another big swing and a miss by the Oilers scouting staff.

It's not baseball so scouts get a lot more than 3 strikes... but it's VERY apparent that "pro" scouts get it wrong just as often as they get it right.

Eyeballs here can watch hockey and evaluate players as well or better than "pro scouts"... keep in mind that many pro scouts are fired regularly as well... they are far from infallible and often far from even being good as well.

 

[alphahelix]

I’m pretty sure Caufield will not make it past Buffalo if he gets that far (they buzz about him there, for real). But I am really starting to feel confident that he is going to victimize NHL goalies. If he is there and we take Broberg, I think that’ll be bad. B-A-D bad.

Craig Button just picked Broberg at 8 for us in his mock draft.

 

[CycloneSweep]

 

[McDoused]

Button has us taking Broberg?

Phew. I feel better now. Now I know their is zero chance we take him.

 

[48g90a138pts]

I'm fine if the Oilers trade down and grab a extra 2nd rounder at the same time grabbing one of the RHD Soderstrom or Seider. Then grab a couple forwards with the two 2nd round picks and in the third round if he's still available LHD Daniil Misyul.

That would put the stamp on D prospects for a couple years and focus more on drafting forwards the next two or three years.

My reasoning is so the D prospects can develop and be ready at the same time as the next crop of forward prospects are pushing for positions on the club.

 

[CycloneSweep]

I'm fine if the Oilers trade down and grab a extra 2nd rounder at the same time grabbing one of the RHD Soderstrom or Seider. Then grab a couple forwards with the two 2nd round picks and in the third round if he's still available LHD Daniil Misyul.

That would put the stamp on D prospects for a couple years and focus more on drafting forwards the next two or three years.

My reasoning is so the D prospects can develop and be ready at the same time as the next crop of forward prospects are pushing for positions on the club.

Our forward group is abysmal. We don't need to draft more defenders in a bad draft for defenders.

 

[48g90a138pts]

Button has us taking Broberg?

Phew. I feel better now. Now I know their is zero chance we take him.

I won't sulk if we didn't take Broberg. He's such a interesting option. I think the Stanley Cup and the St. Louis Blues really opened a lot of peoples eyes to bigger Dmen with speed for sure. Hence such a rise in interest in him.

Holland I think was over in Europe scouting before the Oilers called him up. Broberg might well have been on his list while he was still with the wings. I'm just speculating.

 

[McTonyBrar]

I won't sulk if we didn't take Broberg. He's such a interesting option. I think the Stanley Cup and the St. Louis Blues really opened a lot of peoples eyes to bigger Dmen with speed for sure. Hence such a rise in interest in him.

Holland I think was over in Europe scouting before the Oilers called him up. Broberg might well have been on his list while he was still with the wings. I'm just speculating.

Yeah defenders with speed who can pass. Broberg rushes the puck 90% of the time. That will not work in the NHL like it works at junior tournaments.

I feel like the only reason Stauffer has a hard on for him is because he played so good in the tournament set in Edmonton.

 

[CycloneSweep]

I won't sulk if we didn't take Broberg. He's such a interesting option. I think the Stanley Cup and the St. Louis Blues really opened a lot of peoples eyes to bigger Dmen with speed for sure. Hence such a rise in interest in him.

Holland I think was over in Europe scouting before the Oilers called him up. Broberg might well have been on his list while he was still with the wings. I'm just speculating.

When the pro scouts were polled according to the MacKenzie video (not article) he was 16 behind Soderstrom and Seider. He isn't not just a top 10 pick, he isn't even the second best defender.

 

[AvOiL]

Button has us taking Broberg?

Phew. I feel better now. Now I know their is zero chance we take him.

Haha..I'm with you, but Button actually had us picking Bouchard in his final mock draft last year (he only got 4 out of the top 10 right, and we were one of them).

https://www.tsn.ca/tsn-hockey-mock-draft-the-intrigue-starts-with-the-habs-1.1116064

 

[nexttothemoon]

Haha..I'm with you, but Button actually had us picking Bouchard in his final mock draft last year (he only got 4 out of the top 10 right, and we were one of them).

https://www.tsn.ca/tsn-hockey-mock-draft-the-intrigue-starts-with-the-habs-1.1116064

Bouchard was the best pick of that draft... full credit that the Oilers chose him... but it was like gold falling into their hands... so it was hard for them to screw that one up.

 

[McDoused]

Never underestimate the Oilers scouting team...

10 top 10 picks in 11 years. We still out of the playoffs..

That's not really on the scouts. They have done a pretty amazing job in the first round. They usually went with the BPA and if they didnt they got a player.

2008: Eberle
2009: MPS (BPA)
2010: Hall
2011: Nuge/Klefbom
2012: Yakupov (BPA)
2013: Nurse
2014: Draisaitl
2015: McDavid
2016: Puljujarvi (BPA)
2017: Yamamoto
2018: Bouchard

That's a pretty good haul. Some of those guys werent gimmies either.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Bouchard was the best pick of that draft... full credit that the Oilers chose him... but it was like gold falling into their hands... so it was hard for them to screw that one up.

He wasn't even the best defender in the draft. And I like Bouchard.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

He wasn't even the best defender in the draft. And I like Bouchard.

Boqvist?

 

[CycloneSweep]

Boqvist?

Dahlin and Dobson are clear betters.
Boqvist is worse offensively but much better defensively so probably about even. Hughes is better as well.

 

[Aerchon]

I understand the surface level analysis behind mocking Broberg to Edmonton, but I doubt it happens.

Just watched... hockey now... I think it was. Button was on rambling about Broberg then they had Holland on for an interview and directly asked him about drafting Broberg.

He had his poker face on and gave no true indication of any real desire to draft or not draft Broberg but his words to me made me think Broberg isn't even in his group to watch. He kept saying Broberg is a great player and whoever gets him will be very happy and that they have a group of 4 or 5 they are really interested in. Paraphrasing of course. But the 2 things were distinctly separate in his wording. No reason Broberg couldn't be in that group but even as good as Holland is with being neutral I think Broberg wasn't.

On the surface it's a distinctly bad pick at 8 no matter who is on the board. Only way I see it happening is if he trades down.

Holland also went on to say his priorities are forward depth and goaltending up until training camp. An extra emphasis on forward depth that I felt might have been in response to being asked about taking a defender in the draft.

It would really be stupid to take a left shooting defensman at 8 in this year's draft with left defense being the Oilers strongest area by a country mile.

 

[Paralyzer008]

That's not really on the scouts. They have done a pretty amazing job in the first round. They usually went with the BPA and if they didnt they got a player.

2008: Eberle
2009: MPS (BPA)
2010: Hall
2011: Nuge/Klefbom
2012: Yakupov (BPA)
2013: Nurse
2014: Draisaitl
2015: McDavid
2016: Puljujarvi (BPA)
2017: Yamamoto
2018: Bouchard

That's a pretty good haul. Some of those guys werent gimmies either.

In terms of BPA, they've basically gone BPA every single time except for Nurse (Nichushkin/Risto were considered higher by me at the time) and Yamamoto (who was I think many people's BPA just not mine, I really liked Timmins/Robertson). Nurse and Yamamoto were so close to BPA that it made sense.

I think the Oilers have nailed their first round picks and then failed to develop some of them. Paajarvi, Yakupov and Puljujarvi were fantastic prospects who all had trouble fitting into the culture and had issues with their development - all were great draft prospects that many teams wanted.

I think I only walked out of the draft disappointed once after day 1 since 2008 and that was Nurse - who ended up as a top 4 Oilers D-man, so look at that

Picking Dylan Cozens would very well fit the trend of how they've drafted in the past - whereas Broberg would be quite surprising considering he's down McKenzie's list.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

People who are saying Broberg isnt the BPA arent real scouts.

I doubt they have watched many of his games or know what is happening behind the scenes of his development. They just watch a few games or a tournament or read a few reports/rankings and somehow are willing to die on a hill for their unsubstantiated beliefs.

Its a hfboard disease.

Id trust the scouting staff who has provided us a deep defensive prospect pool... about defensemen.

Any forward we get this year, including my favorite (Boldy), is at least a year away. Probably 2.

And didnt Holland say we'd let prospects develop in the minors? So maybe 3-4 years? Then they to adapt to the NHL before becoming reliable top 6 fowards. So we are potentially 6 years away from an impact forward.

We have Jones, Bear, Samurokov, Persson, Bouchard.

None are guarantee to hit as top 2 defensement. NONE.

Our top D prospect, Bouchard, could be nothing more than a PP QB/bottom pair. Same with Persson and Bear.

Jones could be a bottom pair like Benning.

We as a fan base have gone on and on and on about us lacking and needing a #1 D for years. Everyone knows the importance of it.

I have no problem with them taking Broberg if their amateur scouting staff view him as a potential #1.

We could always trade one of our current D prospects for a forward prospect with similar potential. Heck!! Defensemen are more valuable than wingers, so we might even get a higher quality prospect in return.

If Broberg can develop his shot and breakout pass then yes, i for sure see a #1 defensemen.

So if people don’t agree with your opinion they aren’t real scouts?

 

[ChaoticOrange]

I honestly think Broberg is just smoke and mirrors.

My guess is that Holland is putting it out there that he wants Broberg so a team lower down offers a good package to move up to get “their guy” before 9/10 do.

Take Philly for example. If they’ve got their heart set on Caufield, they think Edmonton wants Broberg but whoever is in 9 or 10 spot might grab him, they offer us 11+ picks to get to 8. We then grab Boldy or Newhook or whoever we actually want.

Broberg would be a very strange pick.

 

[McDoused]

I honestly think Broberg is just smoke and mirrors.

My guess is that Holland is putting it out there that he wants Broberg so a team lower down offers a good package to move up to get “their guy” before 9/10 do.

Take Philly for example. If they’ve got their heart set on Caufield, they think Edmonton wants Broberg but whoever is in 9 or 10 spot might grab him, they offer us 11+ picks to get to 8. We then grab Boldy or Newhook or whoever we actually want.

Broberg would be a very strange pick.

Hmmmm... so some kind of diversion?