Prospect Info: 2019 Draft Thread: The Countdown - 2 days to go!

[Smartguy]

I think we would have picked Smith if Bouchard and Dobson didnt fall...

If all the top defensemen like Bouchard and Dobson, probably Boqvist,would have been picked up before our pick, some high end forwards would have fell. Making our selection probably completely different and not leaning towards Smith.

This is what people seem to not understand about the draft here, after the first couple picks it’s not predictable, so I don’t get why everyone is crying over the Broberg suggestion by media. I would be shocked if we take him, and Holland has given every suggestion in interviews he would prefer a forward

 

[Stud Muffin]

I think we would have picked Smith if Bouchard and Dobson didnt fall...

If Bouchard, Wahlstrom and Dobson go in the top 10 instead of Hayton,Boqvist and Kravtsov the. I agree we would have picked Smith.

 

[ohheyhemsky]

Makar is the only NCAA guy drafted in the top 10 in over a decade to not be in the NHL two seasons after the draft.

I'm counting 7 players in the last 10 years drafted out of the NCAA or going into the NCAA. Out of 100 players, 7% of them have been through or went down that route.

All I'm saying is if the original poster I quoted wanted to put boundaries around Broberg based on Klefbom's development, there's no guarantee that the player we choose in this draft doesn't stay an extra year or two. The argument goes both ways.

 

[McFlyingV]

So you are saying you have never seen him. His passing and offensive decision making is weak

How often have you seen him? He's shown good offensive reads and a willingness to take the puck to the net in the junior tournaments. He doesn't just constantly skate himself into the corner and make a useless play with the puck like Nurse is guilty of a lot of the time (this aspect of Nurse's game has improved some over the years).

If anything the real criticism of Broberg is that he needs to pick his spots better when to rush the puck, when to jump into the play, or when to pinch. He gets himself in trouble because of it and will need to be taught to pick his spots better. Offensively my main criticism of him is his creativity. He can make smart simple plays, has decent hands, a hard shot, but doesn't have the creativity that some of the elite young offensive D have.

 

[McDNicks17]

It's kind of funny. Broberg seems like the defenseman version of Podkolzin to me.

Great straight line speed, but edges/agility/backwards skating not quite at the same level. Not much finesse or creativity to their game. Go-to move is dropping a shoulder and driving the net. Looks great at junior tournaments when that consistently works, but have big question marks at higher levels of play.

 

[CycloneSweep]

It's kind of funny. Broberg seems like the defenseman version of Podkolzin to me.

Great straight line speed, but edges/agility/backwards skating not quite at the same level. Not much finesse or creativity to their game. Go-to move is dropping a shoulder and driving the net. Looks great at junior tournaments when that consistently works, but have big question marks at higher levels of play.

Especially as a defender. That go to move will get exploited constantly at the NHL level.

 

[Louis Cypher]

Okay I don't want to sound dumb but I don't know anything about this United States under-18 team and how they actually compete throughout the season.

But If all these guys are all on the same team it's kind of like the Avengers where they're Unstoppable as a team but by themselves Thor and the Hulk got their ass kicked by Thanos.

Are these guys individually going to be as good as they play as a team?
I've tried to find some past graduates from the program but Wikki isn't updated for past years.

Thoughts? or am I lacking some? lol

 

[Raab]

So you are saying you have never seen him. His passing and offensive decision making is weak

I saw him, I dont understand why you say he has a weak shot. His wrister and slapper are hard. Also his passing is fine. And his offensive IQ is good. Watch the first 30 seconds of this video and you can see that. By the way Im 99% sure he meant to bank it off the backboards to the forward in that first sequence, a classic Lidstrom move.

 

[CycloneSweep]

I saw him, I dont understand why you say he has a weak shot. His wrister and slapper are hard. Also his passing is fine. And his offensive IQ is good. Watch the first 30 seconds of this video and you can see that. By the way Im 99% sure he meant to bank it off the backboards to the forward in that first sequence, a classic Lidstrom move.

You mean a guy who like...every scouting report I have seen said his shot is inaccurate meant to do that? Come on dude.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

I saw him, I dont understand why you say he has a weak shot. His wrister and slapper are hard. Also his passing is fine. And his offensive IQ is good. Watch the first 30 seconds of this video and you can see that. By the way Im 99% sure he meant to bank it off the backboards to the forward in that first sequence, a classic Lidstrom move.

I wouldn’t be so sure that was his plan.

But you’ll bend everything to prop him up.

 

[McFlyingV]

I saw him, I dont understand why you say he has a weak shot. His wrister and slapper are hard. Also his passing is fine. And his offensive IQ is good. Watch the first 30 seconds of this video and you can see that. By the way Im 99% sure he meant to bank it off the backboards to the forward in that first sequence, a classic Lidstrom move.

He attacks the net and the middle of the ice a lot more than Nurse did even back in junior when he had the size and speed advantage. It always baffled me why Nurse defaulted to driving wide on the outside. I think it's because he could blow by guys at the junior level and never had to learn to do anything else.

 

[nabob]

So for those who want to draft Broberg. He is a pretty comparable player to Klefbom who needed 3 years before he could crack the Oilers roster full time in his 4th. Can the org wait til 2022-2023 NHL season for our first rounder this year to be an NHLer?

Hopefully if we draft Broberg he isn’t injured for almost two full seasons after the draft. Klembom would likely have come over a year soon if it wasn’t for injuries.

 

[McDNicks17]

Okay I don't want to sound dumb but I don't know anything about this United States under-18 team and how they actually compete throughout the season.

But If all these guys are all on the same team it's kind of like the Avengers where they're Unstoppable as a team but by themselves Thor and the Hulk got their ass kicked by Thanos.

Are these guys individually going to be as good as they play as a team?
I've tried to find some past graduates from the program but Wikki isn't updated for past years.

Thoughts? or am I lacking some? lol

Here's a good resource for past USNTDP teams: U.S. National U18 Team at eliteprospects.com


It's a tough question to answer too. There's never been a USNTDP this good. Usually it's just one really good line, one top defenseman and couple underrated guys.

The encouraging thing is most of the top guys on this year's team(outside Hughes+Caufield who were always paired) were spread throughout the lineup. Turcotte anchored the 2nd line. Boldy the 3rd. Zegras bounced between the 4th and 1st.

 

[La Bamba]

Okay I don't want to sound dumb but I don't know anything about this United States under-18 team and how they actually compete throughout the season.

But If all these guys are all on the same team it's kind of like the Avengers where they're Unstoppable as a team but by themselves Thor and the Hulk got their ass kicked by Thanos.

Are these guys individually going to be as good as they play as a team?
I've tried to find some past graduates from the program but Wikki isn't updated for past years.

Thoughts? or am I lacking some? lol

Lol I've honestly thought the same thing for years

 

[Seachd]

Okay I don't want to sound dumb but I don't know anything about this United States under-18 team and how they actually compete throughout the season.

But If all these guys are all on the same team it's kind of like the Avengers where they're Unstoppable as a team but by themselves Thor and the Hulk got their ass kicked by Thanos.

Are these guys individually going to be as good as they play as a team?
I've tried to find some past graduates from the program but Wikki isn't updated for past years.

Thoughts? or am I lacking some? lol

First rounders from the team include Ryan Suter, Jack Johnson, Jack Skille, Chris Summers, James van Riemsdyk, Kevin Shattenkirk, Ian Cole, Kyle Palmieri, Jack Campbell, Derek Forbort, Jarred Tinordi, J.T. Miller, Connor Murphy, Tyler Biggs, Jacob Trouba, Brady Skjei, Stefan Matteau, Mike McCarron, Dylan Larkin, Sonny Milano, Alex Tuch, Colin White, Jack Roslovic, Clayton Keller, Kieffer Bellows, Trent Frederic, Josh Norris, Oliver Wahlstrom, Joel Farabee, K'Andre Miller, and Auston Matthews if he wasn't Auston Matthews.

 

[McFlyingV]

Here's a good resource for past USNTDP teams: U.S. National U18 Team at eliteprospects.com


It's a tough question to answer too. There's never been a USNTDP this good. Usually it's just one really good line, one top defenseman and couple underrated guys.

The encouraging thing is most of the top guys on this year's team(outside Hughes+Caufield who were always paired) were spread throughout the lineup. Turcotte anchored the 2nd line. Boldy the 3rd. Zegras bounced between the 4th and 1st.

And the encouraging thing with Caufield is that he continued to score over a goal per game in Hughes' absence during the U20's. I for whatever reason get the feeling that they won't take him, but if guys like Dach, Zegras, Turcotte are off the table I wish they would. I really don't care that he played with Hughes all year or that he's small. When you outscore that many great goal scorers who came through the program you have a real good chance to be a sniper at the NHL level. Stylistically I don't think he's much like Debrincat at all, but not selecting him sure does feel like Debrincat all over again.

 

[AvOiL]

For those who haven't listened to the NHL Draft Class podcast from May 14, 2019, I would strongly urge you to do so. Head coach of the USNTDP, John Wroblewski, provides some great insight on his top-ranked draft eligible players. He spoke glowingly of Cole Caufield's all around game.

 

[CycloneSweep]

For me based on guys I think might be available there I would take in order...

Dach
Caufield
Cozens
Boldy

 

[Niten Ichi Ryu]

Byram, Dach, and Turcotte are probably the 3-4-5 in any order, so either Krebs or Boldy and it'll be a great day

 

[McFlyingV]

For those who haven't listened to the NHL Draft Class podcast from May 14, 2019, I would strongly urge you to do so. Head coach of the USNTDP, John Wroblewski, provides some great insight on his top-ranked draft eligible players. He spoke glowingly of Cole Caufield's all around game.

As he should. Caufield is much more than just a triggerman. He has good acceleration and shiftiness to dart into open ice (his top speed isn't elite, but it's still pretty good). He has a great set of hands. His passing is underrated as he constantly makes smart passes that showcase his hockey IQ/on ice awareness. He's not a playmaker (definitely a shoot first mentality), but he won't kill plays in the offensive zone and can work a give and go with ease. He can score in many different ways whether it be off his deadly one timer, his wicked wrister, his willingness to go to the net for rebounds, or his quick hands on a breakaway. My favourite part of his game is actually his anticipation. He reads the play so well that he anticipates when to move into quiet open areas on the ice, and when to take off out of the zone looking for a breakaway pass (it's no wonder he gets a healthy amount of breakaways). I actually think his size benefits him in sneaking into open ice, and being able to get his shot off quicker and unobstructed with a shorter wind up.

 

[Oilception]

Anyone think there is a chance Moritz Seider is the second defenceman taken? Or can I get some opinions?

I am no expert but he seems intriguing.

 

[Louis Cypher]

First rounders from the team include Ryan Suter, Jack Johnson, Jack Skille, Chris Summers, James van Riemsdyk, Kevin Shattenkirk, Ian Cole, Kyle Palmieri, Jack Campbell, Derek Forbort, Jarred Tinordi, J.T. Miller, Connor Murphy, Tyler Biggs, Jacob Trouba, Brady Skjei, Stefan Matteau, Mike McCarron, Dylan Larkin, Sonny Milano, Alex Tuch, Colin White, Jack Roslovic, Clayton Keller, Kieffer Bellows, Trent Frederic, Josh Norris, Oliver Wahlstrom, Joel Farabee, K'Andre Miller, and Auston Matthews if he wasn't Auston Matthews.

Again, I don't follow the draft and this program much but the list isn't stellar. Quite a few would probably redraft a lot lower in hindsight.

Just worried that everyone is too fixated on the the US players. Its going to be interesting for sure.

 

[McFlyingV]

Again, I don't follow the draft and this program much but the list isn't stellar. Quite a few would probably redraft a lot lower in hindsight.

Just worried that everyone is too fixated on the the US players. Its going to be interesting for sure.

To be fair that list imo does not represent the quality of the current group. This is probably one of if not the the most skilled and deepest group of draft eligible players coming through the USNTDP at any given time. There's no guarantee that they all pan out, but there has never been this much draft eligible talent on the team at one time as far as I can remember.

 

[Raab]

You mean a guy who like...every scouting report I have seen said his shot is inaccurate meant to do that? Come on dude.

Its a common play for defencemen since Lidstrom started doing it. The point shot, bank off the backboards to a forward really confuses the goalie who expects the shot to be on net. In saying that even if he didnt mean to do it your criticism of Broberg was that he had a weak shot. Thats not what the video shows, he has a half decent shot, just not accurate if he wasnt going for the backboard play.

 

[Louis Cypher]

To be fair that list imo does not represent the quality of the current group. This is probably one of if not the the most skilled and deepest group of draft eligible players coming through the USNTDP at any given time. There's no guarantee that they all pan out, but there has never been this much draft eligible talent on the team at one time as far as I can remember.

Exactly, that's what kind of worries me a little.
Won't know for a while though.
I see there being some surprises on Friday.