Prospect Info: 2019 Draft Thread: The Countdown - 2 days to go!

[MettleMcOiler]

You are right in that Yamamoto is probably just happy to be drafted.

I still think you have to base it on the individual though. I mean there are canadian kids that get drafted who would probably rather play in California, Florida, Vegas etc.

I just hope Holland did his homework if we do draft a US player. That they do want to play for our team and won't change their minds after being drafted.
I don't like what happened to the Jets, they should of gotten more for Trouba.

 

[FlameChampion]

We'll see. He and Michaels both seemed confident based on what they heard at the combine. It didn't seem like wishful thinking.
They even said that the Oilers would likely take him over Cozens if he dropped which I found surprising.

They did seem confident. I dont know how much these guys know though.

Michaels said he heard Dach was dropping from the combine which doesnt seem true to me. It seemed to me that Byram, Turcotte emerged as favorites from combine along with Dach to a lesser extent. Then they proceed to pick Dach high in their mock draft.

Tony compares Cozens to Draisaitl, which is just baffling.

Hard to know if they know something, are just spitballing or Oilers are posturing because they think someone else likes Broberg?

You would think McKenzies list with Broberg at 21 or w/e, kills this narrative a bit.

 

[CycloneSweep]

He skates and rushes the puck so much better than Griff ever did that the comp is ridiculous TBH. He honestly reminds me of what Nurse could still develop into offensively. Unlike Darnell, IMO Broberg is much smoother rushing the puck at the same age and seems to have a better offensive IQ. IMO Nurse has had to work a lot harder at it while Broberg seems to just have "it".

If Broberg was that good he would be a consensus top 3 pick. Broberg is overhyped due to his u18 games which he put up near identical numbers to Klefbom who went 19 OA in a much weaker draft. Broberg in an average strength defense draft would be a late 1st early 2nd pick. But because this draft is so bad for defense people are overhyped

It's like last draft for centers. We draft Broberg at 8 he will be a massive project and we might as well give away the pick imo. It would be a waste of a high pick in a draft where the BPA will be a forward when the Oilers are very weak at forward depth

 

[BudBundy]

As long as K. Gretzky has a say in the draft then I’m confident in whoever they pick.

Like when he had a say in Jakub Zboril and Zac Senyshyn?

 

[CycloneSweep]

Like when he had a say in Jakub Zboril and Zac Senyshyn?

Broberg would be our Zboril

 

[Bryanbryoil]

If Broberg was that good he would be a consensus top 3 pick. Broberg is overhyped due to his u18 games which he put up near identical numbers to Klefbom who went 19 OA in a much weaker draft. Broberg in an average strength defense draft would be a late 1st early 2nd pick. But because this draft is so bad for defense people are overhyped

It's like last draft for centers. We draft Broberg at 8 he will be a massive project and we might as well give away the pick imo. It would be a waste of a high pick in a draft where the BPA will be a forward when the Oilers are very weak at forward depth

I call it like I see it, there is lots to like with Broberg, his lack of a big shot is likely what has him lower than 8th. IMO he's a better skater than Klef was at the same age but lacks the Klef-bomb. I see OEL upside with this player if he can improve his shot and all around game. That said, if a guy like Dach is there at 8, that is my choice.

 

[McDoused]

He could be a fine pick but he isn't close to BPA and it would literally be throwing value away.

Might as well trade for Reinhart again.

Yeah that's not true at all. This comparison doesnt make any sense as the two players have very different games.

Broberg is probably the 3rd or 4th best defender in this draft and its a very bad draft for defenders.

The org NEEDS forwards, is deep prospect wise defensively, bad defense draft, 8 the oa pick. All that combined and reaching for a defender with all considered would be a really really bad move.

I don't see Broberg being a good NHL player. Sure he is fast and good at rushing the puck but he will get **** on with his style of play in the NHL on smaller ice. His shot is meh, his hands are bad and his defending is not very good.

If this was an average draft for defensemen I don't think he would even be a first round pick.

Okay we get it you hate broberg. But the dude is easily a first round pick in any draft. Most scouts would disagree with half of what you said. The kid is good a defender.

I dont know why fans are so fixated on drafting for need.

If Broberg was that good he would be a consensus top 3 pick. Broberg is overhyped due to his u18 games which he put up near identical numbers to Klefbom who went 19 OA in a much weaker draft. Broberg in an average strength defense draft would be a late 1st early 2nd pick. But because this draft is so bad for defense people are overhyped

It's like last draft for centers. We draft Broberg at 8 he will be a massive project and we might as well give away the pick imo. It would be a waste of a high pick in a draft where the BPA will be a forward when the Oilers are very weak at forward depth

Is it a waste of a high pick if he turns out to be a top pairing defenceman?

I think taking the BPA in this draft is a bit of an overstatement. Any of those guys from 8-20 could end up being the best of the group.

 

[CycloneSweep]

I call it like I see it, there is lots to like with Broberg, his lack of a big shot is likely what has him lower than 8th. IMO he's a better skater than Klef was at the same age but lacks the Klef-bomb. I see OEL upside with this player if he can improve his shot and all around game. That said, if a guy like Dach is there at 8, that is my choice.

He is also not good defensively at all and literally only does as well as he does due to speed. Put him in the NHL and I think he peaks as a 5/6 defender.

 

[MettleMcOiler]

Like when he had a say in Jakub Zboril and Zac Senyshyn?

Why didn't you mention DeBrusk, McAvoy and Pastrnak?

Also considering what I've read was that the Boston head amateur scouts got to choose a player from the run of the 3 picks and Gretzky was the one who chose DeBrusk.

 

[CupofOil]

He skates and rushes the puck so much better than Griff ever did that the comp is ridiculous TBH. He honestly reminds me of what Nurse could still develop into offensively. Unlike Darnell, IMO Broberg is much smoother rushing the puck at the same age and seems to have a better offensive IQ. IMO Nurse has had to work a lot harder at it while Broberg seems to just have "it".

His offensive IQ is one of his weaknesses actually. He skates the puck into trouble a lot based on the little I've seen of him, scouting videos and scouting reports.

His major selling points are size and speed but the toolbox seems to be lacking. I'm not a fan of toolsy players who lack a toolbox especially for the Oilers who have so many low IQ players.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Yeah that's not true at all. This comparison doesnt make any sense as the two players have very different games.



Okay we get it you hate broberg. But the dude is easily a first round pick in any draft. Most scouts would disagree with half of what you said. The kid is good a defender.

I dont know why fans are so fixated on drafting for need.



Is it a waste of a high pick if he turns out to be a top pairing defenceman?

I think taking the BPA in this draft is a bit of an overstatement. Any of those guys from 8-20 could end up being the best of the group.

This is one of the weakest drafts for defensemen in over a decade.

It's not even just drafting for need. Broberg would be... Not drafting for need, or best pick available. It would be reaching because he is one of the better of the bad. It's Byram, a massive cliff and then the rest of the defenders.

I used Reinhart not as a comparison for style of play, but of how much of a waste of an asset it would be to use the 8th on him.

 

[CycloneSweep]

His offensive IQ is one of his weaknesses actually. He skates the puck into trouble a lot based on the little I've seen of him, scouting videos and scouting reports.

His major selling points are size and speed but the toolbox seems to be lacking. I'm not a fan of toolsy players who lack a toolbox especially for the Oilers who have so many low IQ players.

I see it this way too. People like him because the "new NHL" is big and fast and he sure as hell like that. But his toolbox is real bad.

 

[CupofOil]

They did seem confident. I dont know how much these guys know though.

Michaels said he heard Dach was dropping from the combine which doesnt seem true to me. It seemed to me that Byram, Turcotte emerged as favorites from combine along with Dach to a lesser extent. Then they proceed to pick Dach high in their mock draft.

Tony compares Cozens to Draisaitl, which is just baffling.

Hard to know if they know something, are just spitballing or Oilers are posturing because they think someone else likes Broberg?

You would think McKenzies list with Broberg at 21 or w/e, kills this narrative a bit.

The one thing that makes me question Michaels and Stauffer's validity is that Stauffer raved about how much teams liked Dach contradicting what Michaels said about Dach sliding so maybe they are just spitballing. Michaels also said that Turcotte was sliding, WHAT?

 

[Bryanbryoil]

He is also not good defensively at all and literally only does as well as he does due to speed. Put him in the NHL and I think he peaks as a 5/6 defender.

Time will tell, I'm not pretending to be an expert on the player, but I've seen enough positive things from him to understand why he might be regarded highly.

His offensive IQ is one of his weaknesses actually. He skates the puck into trouble a lot based on the little I've seen of him, scouting videos and scouting reports.

His major selling points are size and speed but the toolbox seems to be lacking. I'm not a fan of toolsy players who lack a toolbox especially for the Oilers who have so many low IQ players.

It still looks miles ahead of Nurse's at the same age IMO. Time will tell, IMO his lack of a legit point shot is the most troubling thing about his game.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Time will tell, I'm not pretending to be an expert on the player, but I've seen enough positive things from him to understand why he might be regarded highly.



It still looks miles ahead of Nurse's at the same age IMO. Time will tell, IMO his lack of a legit point shot is the most troubling thing about his game.

His defensive IQ being really bad down help either. He is a 4th forward but not really either.

 

[FlameChampion]

The one thing that makes me question Michaels and Stauffer's validity is that Stauffer raved about how much teams liked Dach contradicting what Michaels said about Dach sliding so maybe they are just spitballing. Michaels also said that Turcotte was sliding, WHAT?

Yeah lol, Turcotte definitely not sliding. The guy has vaulted up since the combine. Was just a weird video when you really analyze it.

 

[McDoused]

His defensive IQ being really bad down help either. He is a 4th forward but not really either.

Where did all this crap about him being bad defensively and having low hockey IQ come from?

 

[CupofOil]

It still looks miles ahead of Nurse's at the same age IMO. Time will tell, IMO his lack of a legit point shot is the most troubling thing about his game.

It's not just me, a lot of his scouting reports note his lack of creativity, average passing and propensity to skate into trouble and dead zones in the offensive zone. He's big and skates extremely fast, that's why he's highly touted. He's also a decent defender.

The offensive upside doesn't appear to be that high with him but in fairness, I'm basing a lot on scouting reports. I only saw a few of his U-18 games and I wasn't overly focused on him because I didn't think he was on the Oilers radar so I'm deferring a lot to scouting reports and shift by shift videos.

 

[FlameChampion]

Where did all this crap about him being bad defensively and having low hockey IQ come from?

Havent heard much about being bad defensively but I know in the blackbook hockeyprospects guide, several scouts knock him for basically skating blind into the opponents or not having the ability to do anything with the puck once he rushes up other than basically crash the net.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Where did all this crap about him being bad defensively and having low hockey IQ come from?

The low IQ is based of scouting reports of him basically having one move. Skate fast at the net and hope for the best. The defensive is me watching him play

 

[BarDownBobo]

Where did all this crap about him being bad defensively and having low hockey IQ come from?

HFBoards hive mind. Someone said it and it’s grown from there. I’ve watched numerous games of his, along with shift by shifts and it’s nowhere near as egregious as people make it out to be.

 

[CycloneSweep]

HFBoards hive mind. Someone said it and it’s grown from there. I’ve watched numerous games of his, along with shift by shifts and it’s nowhere near as egregious as people make it out to be.

Same can be said the other way. "Oh he big and fast! Elite defender #1"

"Bob Stauffer likes him, must be good"

When all the legit scouting agencies have him as a mid round pick

 

[Seachd]

I just watched "The Panel" mock draft and both Stauffer and Michaels seem confident that Broberg will be the pick even if Cozens is on the board.

I'm watching this now, and man is Stauffer such a bag of hot air. He sure thinks highly of himself.

Brar, who I've never seen or heard of, was easily the most interesting one out of the three.

 

[CycloneSweep]

HFBoards hive mind. Someone said it and it’s grown from there. I’ve watched numerous games of his, along with shift by shifts and it’s nowhere near as egregious as people make it out to be.

Got any link to shifts by shifts? The games I've seen and the highlights are why I really don't like him. Maybe I've only watched his bad games

 

[McDoused]

The low IQ is based of scouting reports of him basically having one move. Skate fast at the net and hope for the best. The defensive is me watching him play

He definitely lacks offensive creativity. He is a pro at gaining the zone but he either ends up skating around in circles or drives to the net. Definitely one of his biggest weaknesses.

I think that's something that a coach can work on but he seems to make good decisions in the defensive zone. Hes fast enough so that you cant dump the puck in on him and quick enough to close the gap. He still needs to put on some more muscle to battle in the corners.