Prospect Info: 2019 Draft Thread: The Countdown - 2 days to go!

[Raab]

I just dont see Holland trading the pick. He believes in drafting, development and patience. I dont think hes looking to wave a magic wand and for quick fixes.

I generally agree, and feel thats the best way to build a team. Although this year its appears we may be able to take advantage of a few teams who are in cap trouble.

 

[alphahelix]

I generally agree, and feel thats the best way to build a team. Although this year its appears we may be able to take advantage of a few teams who are in cap trouble.

I agree with this too. Even the meticulous, long-game, builder type of guy would have to appraise himself on the opportunities if he is remotely pragmatic. Quality players are going to be ejected by multiple teams and finessing cap and value this offseason could lead to major gains.

 

[ohheyhemsky]

That is a bizarre comparison. Rattie is a guy who was billed as all offense, questionable work ethic away from the puck and not a strong skater; whereas Podkolzin is a guy who is living off of his work ethic and skating and the offense is what everyone is worried about. They’re basically polar opposites honestly.

I'm really looking at the skating here as my immediate comparison. Essentially no lateral movement in either style, both are North-South and chip and chase when they have the puck. It's the same, bent over, elbows pointed out while handling the puck skating style that struck my eye.

No real comparison past that. I still think Rattie's skating in Portland was overblown, because his edgework is really all that needed work. The North-South speed was never really an issue, as he's shown by being able to keep up with the McDavid line.




Elbows out while handling the puck, hunched acceleration.

 

[alphahelix]

Who is the most likely player to make us look extremely stupid if we don’t draft him?


My guess ... Caufield

 

[AvOiL]

Who is the most likely player to make us look extremely stupid if we don’t draft him?


My guess ... Caufield

I have a strong feeling that Caufield will be picked before the Oilers are on the clock.

 

[Faelko]

imagine this board if one of Turcotte, Dach, Zegras, Byram falls to 8 and we pick Broberg.

We would see our first “Fire Holland” thread....

 

[Seachd]

He doesn't. He drafted Michael Rasmussen.

He also drafted Larkin and Mantha, so... yeah.

 

[McTonyBrar]

Except for Ty Smith I think Button was 11 for the first 12 last year and none were more than 4 spots off his guess, and 10 for the first 12 in 2017. He now has Broberg at #7 ahead of Turcotte, Dach and Cozens so I think I could see him top 10. If you are not a Broberg fan, how about having a choice between Turcotte and Dach at 8?

How on earth are Turcotte and Dach so low? I would go with Turcotte

 

[McTonyBrar]

This. Injuries aside Yamamoto had a perfectly reasonable first AHL season. 10 goals in 27 games projects to 25 over a full AHL season. I would have preferred he’d been heathy, but this isn’t a Kieffer Bellows situation here.

As for Broberg he’s a huge, huge reach at 8. If he’s the guy then whatever but at very least trade down and grab another 2nd.

I think our fans are so used to us throwing players onto the team at 18 that when we see a 19 or 20 year old be a little ineffective in the NHL and have an okay to decent season in the AHL, they automatically think the player is going towards the wrong direction.

I remember a lot of my friends saying Draisaitl was a bust after his 18 year old season in the NHL... Lmao

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

How on earth are Turcotte and Dach so low? I would go with Turcotte

On Button's lists? Because he's trolling people with a few of the forwards to "generate conversation"

 

[McTonyBrar]

It'd be nice to know how much of Broberg the guys down on him have seen? I trust Holland with whoever he takes, in my limited views of Broberg I can say he looks every bit as talented as any of the other prospects available at 8.

His decision making is questionable and he doesn't seem like a breakout pass D-man. He likes to rush the puck out more which isn't effective in the NHL as much it is in a WJC

 

[McTonyBrar]

Who is the most likely player to make us look extremely stupid if we don’t draft him?


My guess ... Caufield

Boldy

 

[oobga]

I'm really looking at the skating here as my immediate comparison. Essentially no lateral movement in either style, both are North-South and chip and chase when they have the puck. It's the same, bent over, elbows pointed out while handling the puck skating style that struck my eye.

No real comparison past that. I still think Rattie's skating in Portland was overblown, because his edgework is really all that needed work. The North-South speed was never really an issue, as he's shown by being able to keep up with the McDavid line.




Elbows out while handling the puck, hunched acceleration.

Yikes, just from those highlights, I think I stay away from Podkolzin, who Bob Mac just stuck at #8 for us, hehe. He got stuff done obviously, but he looks pretty choppy with his stick-handling, and seems to depend a lot on just charging at defenders and letting their clumsiness open opportunity for him. That works with teenagers sure, but he looks like he would be an easy guy to get pucks away from with skilled defenders.

 

[ImmuneEH]

Speed isn't just skating though. When a GM talks speed they usually mean a mix of skating speed and playing with pace. Quick thinking passing, thinking etc. Boldy is still in that mold.

I know that, I'm just hoping they don't go "well we said we needed speed... this guy skates slow... herp derp lets get the better skater"

 

[CycloneSweep]

I know that, I'm just hoping they don't go "well we said we needed speed... this guy skates slow... herp derp lets get the better skater"

Gretzky doesn't seem afraid to draft guys who need to work on skating. Ex, Bouchard

 

[CupofOil]

I just watched "The Panel" mock draft and both Stauffer and Michaels seem confident that Broberg will be the pick even if Cozens is on the board. They also seem to think that Cozens is sliding down a lot of boards as well. Stauffer thinks Broberg has a much higher ceiling than Samorukov (I don't see it).

It didn't seem like guessing, it seemed like they based this on what they heard at the combine so unless somebody unexpected falls, Broberg seems to be very high on the Oilers list. I wouldn't get too attached to the idea of guys like Boldy and Newhook both of whom I'd take over Broberg without a doubt.

 

[CycloneSweep]

I just watched "The Panel" mock draft and both Stauffer and Michaels seem confident that Broberg will be the pick even if Cozens is on the board. They also seem to think that Cozens is sliding down a lot of boards as well. Stauffer thinks Broberg has a much higher ceiling than Samorukov (I don't see it).

It didn't seem like guessing, it seemed like they based this on what they heard at the combine so unless somebody unexpected falls, Broberg seems to be very high on the Oilers list. I wouldn't get too attached to the idea of guys like Boldy and Newhook both of whom I'd take over Broberg without a doubt.

I don't see Stauffer being linked into our scouting at all. He was all about Ty Smith last year. Dude fell.

Stauffer sounded very confident about it to.

When Holland was asked he said there is some good defenders and very good forwards in the draft. Said the opposite about our orgs prospects . Unless it's Byram falling, we are taking a forward.

It would be dumb in a draft that is very very weak on defenders and strong on forwards if we reach for a defender.

 

[McDoused]

His decision making is questionable and he doesn't seem like a breakout pass D-man. He likes to rush the puck out more which isn't effective in the NHL as much it is in a WJC

You're entitled to your opinion but I definitely dont agree with this. Broberg is a one man breakout and has very good hockey sense and decision making IMO. He doesnt need to be an exceptional passer because he is such a good skater.

If opponents dump the puck in, he beats the forward to the puck and skates it into a passing lane where he can either take off or make the simple 5 foot pass. Althoigh, it would be nice if he was a better passer and could make those long stretch passes to spring guys

 

[McTonyBrar]

I just watched "The Panel" mock draft and both Stauffer and Michaels seem confident that Broberg will be the pick even if Cozens is on the board. They also seem to think that Cozens is sliding down a lot of boards as well. Stauffer thinks Broberg has a much higher ceiling than Samorukov (I don't see it).

It didn't seem like guessing, it seemed like they based this on what they heard at the combine so unless somebody unexpected falls, Broberg seems to be very high on the Oilers list. I wouldn't get too attached to the idea of guys like Boldy and Newhook both of whom I'd take over Broberg without a doubt.

Seriously what is this rubbish from those two morons? SODERSTROM is rated higher than him. MCKENZIE has him at 16!.... 16! These two idiots want him at 8????

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

I like brobergs intincts as a dynamic rusher......if you can build his game around that he could change the team more than anyone.

 

[McTonyBrar]

You're entitled to your opinion but I definitely dont agree with this. Broberg is a one man breakout and has very good hockey sense and decision making IMO. He doesnt need to be an exceptional passer because he is such a good skater.

If opponents dump the puck in, he beats the forward to the puck and skates it into a passing lane where he can either take off or make the simple 5 foot pass. Althoigh, it would be nice if he was a better passer and could make those long stretch passes to spring guys

The NHL is a breakout game now. Dump and Chase isn't really what it is now, in my opinion. Also, hockey sense and decision making wise, I am going off of scouting reports and his SEL games that I've seen online in the last 2 weeks (old games)

 

[CupofOil]

I don't see Stauffer being linked into our scouting at all. He was all about Ty Smith last year. Dude fell.

Stauffer sounded very confident about it to.

When Holland was asked he said there is some good defenders and very good forwards in the draft. Said the opposite about our orgs prospects . Unless it's Byram falling, we are taking a forward.

It would be dumb in a draft that is very very weak on defenders and strong on forwards if we reach for a defender.

Smith could very well have been the pick if a bunch of guys didn't fall.

I'm saying that unless somebody unexpected falls like what happened last year that Broberg seems to be near the top of their list. He fits that speed mold they are looking for too.

I agree, I hate the idea too, but it seems like a real possibility if the draft goes somewhat according to form.

 

[Seachd]

Seriously what is this rubbish from those two morons? SODERSTROM is rated higher than him. MCKENZIE has him at 16!.... 16! These two idiots want him at 8????

Hi, have you met the NHL draft? You think the draft will go by ratings and rankings?

 

[CycloneSweep]

Smith could very well have been the pick if a bunch of guys didn't fall.

I'm saying that unless somebody unexpected falls that Broberg seems to be near the top of their list. He fits that speed mold they are looking for too.

I agree, I hate the idea too, but it seems like a real possibility if the draft goes somewhat according to form.

That's who Stauffer wants.
Not the organization. Dudes been out of touch for a while and I doubt he has an in with Holland yet.

Drafting Broberg at 8 would, imo be a massive fail for the org. I simply don't see him working in the NHL. I don't see his game adapting well on the smaller ice.

 

[Frank the Tank]

I don't see Stauffer being linked into our scouting at all. He was all about Ty Smith last year. Dude fell.

Stauffer sounded very confident about it to.

When Holland was asked he said there is some good defenders and very good forwards in the draft. Said the opposite about our orgs prospects . Unless it's Byram falling, we are taking a forward.

It would be dumb in a draft that is very very weak on defenders and strong on forwards if we reach for a defender.

One could argue that this time last summer Smith was realistically the best defenseman that would be available at 10th overall. If Stauffer had inside info that Oilers were picking a defender, Smith was the safe bet. Then Arizona reached for a center in Hayton and the Rangers went for the Russian, leaving all of us giddy that the Oilers would have their pick of Bouchard or Dobson. Pre-draft that scenario seemed highly unlikely.