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Prospect Info: 2019 Draft Thread: Oilers Picking 8th
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bobbythebrain
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Sentiment round here seems Podk is gonna be a bust and Cozens has no IQ.
Very curious to see what happens in a few
Very curious to see what happens in a few
Zaddy
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Since there was some Podkolzin talk in this thread now I decided to watch another shift-by-shift on him. This one from the MHL playoffs at the end of March.
I hate repeating myself but I just do not see what it is that scouts see in this player to rank him 3rd overall. Craig Button called him a "complete winger with all the qualities that you want in a player" after the Hlinka I believe, but the guy has some of the worst vision and passing I've seen in a top-ranked prospect and it should be painfully obvious to anyone watching him play, so how is that being "complete" as a player? Yes he competes really hard, yes he has a deadly shot, yes he is good defensively, yes he has good hands. But that's it.
One of the thing that bothers me is that he can be a force on the forecheck and make defenders turn pucks over. But then when Pod gets possession of the puck he has no idea what to do with it. A lot of the time he just ends up hogging it and eventually gets pressured enough into losing it again. He just doesn't have the vision to make a nice play after gaining possession. It's really annoying to watch.
I just don't know how a guy without high-end hockey IQ, passing and vision is supposed to be a 1st liner in the NHL. Because that's what I suppose all the scouts project him as, otherwise they wouldn't have him in their top3. For me he is nothing more than a 2nd liner who can be used as a trigger man on the power-play. Maybe a 30-20-50 guy.
Just seeing him play too, he's not a guy that plays well off of his teammates at all. He's on an island out there. He's just not a guy who can play a give-and-go game at a high level. So I have no idea how he is going to transition to the NHL with his rover brand of hockey. He's kind of like Yak in that sense, just all over the place, working hard but not actually accomplishing much.
I don't know what to think at this point, either I'm a complete idiot or all the scouts are incompetent
EDIT: I think his numbers reflect and support my theory / what I see in my viewings really well too. The guy has 3 assists in 15 games (including playoffs) in the russian junior league. That's not a guy who makes his teammates better, that's not a guy who is a good passer/playmaker. It's a guy who shoots the puck really well and tries to do everything himself.
I hate repeating myself but I just do not see what it is that scouts see in this player to rank him 3rd overall. Craig Button called him a "complete winger with all the qualities that you want in a player" after the Hlinka I believe, but the guy has some of the worst vision and passing I've seen in a top-ranked prospect and it should be painfully obvious to anyone watching him play, so how is that being "complete" as a player? Yes he competes really hard, yes he has a deadly shot, yes he is good defensively, yes he has good hands. But that's it.
One of the thing that bothers me is that he can be a force on the forecheck and make defenders turn pucks over. But then when Pod gets possession of the puck he has no idea what to do with it. A lot of the time he just ends up hogging it and eventually gets pressured enough into losing it again. He just doesn't have the vision to make a nice play after gaining possession. It's really annoying to watch.
I just don't know how a guy without high-end hockey IQ, passing and vision is supposed to be a 1st liner in the NHL. Because that's what I suppose all the scouts project him as, otherwise they wouldn't have him in their top3. For me he is nothing more than a 2nd liner who can be used as a trigger man on the power-play. Maybe a 30-20-50 guy.
Just seeing him play too, he's not a guy that plays well off of his teammates at all. He's on an island out there. He's just not a guy who can play a give-and-go game at a high level. So I have no idea how he is going to transition to the NHL with his rover brand of hockey. He's kind of like Yak in that sense, just all over the place, working hard but not actually accomplishing much.
I don't know what to think at this point, either I'm a complete idiot or all the scouts are incompetent
EDIT: I think his numbers reflect and support my theory / what I see in my viewings really well too. The guy has 3 assists in 15 games (including playoffs) in the russian junior league. That's not a guy who makes his teammates better, that's not a guy who is a good passer/playmaker. It's a guy who shoots the puck really well and tries to do everything himself.
You know what's going to happen right? Podkolzin will fall to us, we won't pick him, Anaheim does no one cares.
Skip to 2 years later and he is putting up 50-60 points and the same people are ripping the Oilers for not picking him.
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I may just be an internet scout but judging from our history, player development, needs and then carefully analyzing each player in the top 10, it only ends up being 4 any way you look at it. Take away the top 2 and you have
Byram, Turcotte, Zegras,
and a distant 4th Cozens.
everyone else down here. <<<< This is trade category
Byram, Turcotte, Zegras,
and a distant 4th Cozens.
everyone else down here. <<<< This is trade category
I think we might have a chance at Dach, Turcotte, Cozens, Zegras, Krebs and Boldy. Also, I would include Heinola, Caufield and Lavoie. They are underrated in this draft. I do not like Newhook.
One thing I don't understand.... Why are people so low on Boldy? Yes he plays with another skilled player but isn't that what the NHL is about. Playing with other skilled players? Imagine Boldy with McDavid, Leon and Nuge. He could be so good, if developed properly
I feel like Yakupov has made some posters on this board traumatized of Russian prospects lol
nafrelio
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Or he flops and everyone says...look at the Oilers destroying the career of another good prospect.
Hopefully the scouts do their homework. If the leftovers at 8 have too many risks, Krebs is the safe bet. I'd seriously consider trading down to 12-14 and add a player or additional pick.
Bryanbryoil
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Beerfish
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Well our latest big junior draftee love in is a russian.
Bryanbryoil
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Are you talking about Samorukov or Maximov? Both are trending well but both have played in NA for years, so it's not exactly the same as a guy like Pozkolzin.
Do we take the best player available at 8 or look for a finisher that can onetime our centers' passes?
McDNicks17
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BPA.
They need players who can drive offense on the second and third lines more than they need a goal scorer, IMO.
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I don't think its a sure thing that he falls. Big RH centers don't fall much. But I sure as hell hope he does.
Pre draft who do you think looked better, Podkolzin or Puljujarvi.Since there was some Podkolzin talk in this thread now I decided to watch another shift-by-shift on him. This one from the MHL playoffs at the end of March.
I hate repeating myself but I just do not see what it is that scouts see in this player to rank him 3rd overall. Craig Button called him a "complete winger with all the qualities that you want in a player" after the Hlinka I believe, but the guy has some of the worst vision and passing I've seen in a top-ranked prospect and it should be painfully obvious to anyone watching him play, so how is that being "complete" as a player? Yes he competes really hard, yes he has a deadly shot, yes he is good defensively, yes he has good hands. But that's it.
One of the thing that bothers me is that he can be a force on the forecheck and make defenders turn pucks over. But then when Pod gets possession of the puck he has no idea what to do with it. A lot of the time he just ends up hogging it and eventually gets pressured enough into losing it again. He just doesn't have the vision to make a nice play after gaining possession. It's really annoying to watch.
I just don't know how a guy without high-end hockey IQ, passing and vision is supposed to be a 1st liner in the NHL. Because that's what I suppose all the scouts project him as, otherwise they wouldn't have him in their top3. For me he is nothing more than a 2nd liner who can be used as a trigger man on the power-play. Maybe a 30-20-50 guy.
Just seeing him play too, he's not a guy that plays well off of his teammates at all. He's on an island out there. He's just not a guy who can play a give-and-go game at a high level. So I have no idea how he is going to transition to the NHL with his rover brand of hockey. He's kind of like Yak in that sense, just all over the place, working hard but not actually accomplishing much.
I don't know what to think at this point, either I'm a complete idiot or all the scouts are incompetent
EDIT: I think his numbers reflect and support my theory / what I see in my viewings really well too. The guy has 3 assists in 15 games (including playoffs) in the russian junior league. That's not a guy who makes his teammates better, that's not a guy who is a good passer/playmaker. It's a guy who shoots the puck really well and tries to do everything himself.
Also what are your thoughts on Cam York, been watching some video on him and he's been growing on me, looking like the real deal.
Bryanbryoil
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Young players are sometimes diamonds in the rough. They aren't as developed yet so what may look bad now may be great in the future. No scout can accurately rate every player in the top ten.
ConnorMcMullet
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The more I watch/read about Philip Tomasino, the more I want to get him. I suggest you watch the video below.
I love absolutely everything about his game. Blazing speed. Incredible hands. Insane vision. Nice shot. Right-handed.
His numbers are actually really impressive when you look at the context. He is 2nd in EV pts in the CHL, and 1st in EV goals, ahead of Dach, Cozens, and Krebs. This is also while being stuck behind Niagara's offensive starpower. I believe he usually plays on the 3rd line and 2nd PP unit (@Mcnotloilersfan can you confirm?).
Tomasino is the perfect example of a "modern NHL" player. Fast, skilled, and hockey IQ in spades. Whoever gets him is going to be very happy in few years. I can't wait to watch him at the U18s.
I hope we trade down for him, and wouldn't even be opposed to getting him at 8.
I love absolutely everything about his game. Blazing speed. Incredible hands. Insane vision. Nice shot. Right-handed.
His numbers are actually really impressive when you look at the context. He is 2nd in EV pts in the CHL, and 1st in EV goals, ahead of Dach, Cozens, and Krebs. This is also while being stuck behind Niagara's offensive starpower. I believe he usually plays on the 3rd line and 2nd PP unit (@Mcnotloilersfan can you confirm?).
Tomasino is the perfect example of a "modern NHL" player. Fast, skilled, and hockey IQ in spades. Whoever gets him is going to be very happy in few years. I can't wait to watch him at the U18s.
I hope we trade down for him, and wouldn't even be opposed to getting him at 8.
ConnorMcMullet
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Tomasino isn't all skill either. He is a workhorse with a great attitude and work-ethic. He is great in all 3 zones and even leads the OHL is steals on the forecheck.
Zaddy
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I liked Pulju more pre-draft, but that doesn't mean Pod can't have a better career. I think it will be easier for him to find his role in the NHL because he has that potentially elite shot (and the hands to open up shooting lanes) whereas Pulju doesn't really have that one standout quality to his game.
As for Cam York, I'm a pretty big fan. I think he's a really safe bet to be a top4 puck-moving D in the NHL. Probably the best passer in this draft, at least among defensemen.
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