Prospect Info: 2019 Draft Thread: Oilers Picking 8th

[Messrules11]

For sure but how many Scott Stevens were there in the league? We realistically are still going to get players who are able to deliver devastating hits but strictly due to concussions and stuff the game is likely to transition away from that. While yes the draw for different reasons I dont really see the physical side getting to a level much greater than it is now with the lawsuits of the past hitting the NHL and the fact new school players are unlikely to want to jeopordize their head as over half of NHL players play 100 games or less. That is not a risk worth them taking as much as some people may enjoy a super physical brand of hockey so to me the game can only really move directionally one way or find a place like we are today where we are much less physical but it still has a moderate role in the game.

Well I can only hope you’re wrong. For me hockey is a rough game, played on raw emotion and a healthy dose of anger. I can appreciate skill and speed obviously, and of course great goaltending but usually when I leave a game and I’m driving home it’s the big hit or the great fight that we’re talking about. Anyway, to each their own

 

[Chabot84]

I think the trend has more been the NHL makes money off of entertainment value if it wasnt fun to watch (maybe isnt as an Oilers fan all the time) they would make no money. Therefore the trend is for skill and I do not see a reversion but obviously possible but there are only so may players who are 6'3 can skate well enough to keep up and have the puck skills do well.

I think all I’m saying is we should do the best we can to avoid smaller guys on our team and try our best to build a bigger team that can keep up with the skating. I just don’t want to see 10 million $$ long term contracts on smaller players.

If they figure out strategies that work within current rules to keep these smaller players to the outside then that will be game over for them. It doesn’t take much for a change to occur.

The smaller players should be afraid to play us and afraid to go in the corners.. make them useless.

 

[McTonyBrar]

Dach or Turcotte. If not Krebs

 

[Macblender]

I think all I’m saying is we should do the best we can to avoid smaller guys on our team and try our best to build a bigger team that can keep up with the skating. I just don’t want to see 10 million $$ long term contracts on smaller players.

I can agree on that pending we say that if two players have are very similar in terms of skill, skating, hockey IQ, and puck handling choose the bigger guy. With that being said I am not shying away from Brayden Point due to the fact he is only 5'10.

I do think the guys who are 5'7 are in tough to make it as that is quite a bit below what I would assume is average and they most often need the skating and elusiveness to make up for it for example Martin St. Louis.

 

[Johnny McBravo]

Anyone else getting a Dal Colle vibes from Cozens? Hopefully he get's picked early and Turcotte/Dach fall to us.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Anyone else getting a Dal Colle vibes from Cozens? Hopefully he get's picked early and Turcotte/Dach fall to us.

No

 

[Johnny McBravo]

No

Thank you for enlightening me.

 

[McDNicks17]

Anyone else getting a Dal Colle vibes from Cozens? Hopefully he get's picked early and Turcotte/Dach fall to us.

I don't think they're all that similar.

Dal Colle was a much worse skater and relied on his hands in the offensive zone where as Cozens is more of a north-south guy who uses speed off the rush.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Thank you for enlightening me.

I don't see the bust potential everyone keeps talking about. So no, I see a much superior player than Dal Colle

 

[Joey Moss]

From what I've seen with Cozens I think his lack of hockey IQ has been greatly exaggerated. He finds quiet areas that Pulju/Yakupov couldn't get to. He can make subtle adjustments to open himself up whereas those two seem to try to skate everywhere in the offensive zone and take themselves out of the play. He has a way better release on his shot too.

 

[bobbythebrain]

From what I've seen with Cozens I think his lack of hockey IQ has been greatly exaggerated. He finds quiet areas that Pulju/Yakupov couldn't get to. He can make subtle adjustments to open himself up whereas those two seem to try to skate everywhere in the offensive zone and take themselves out of the play. He has a way better release on his shot too.

This.
He also has better speed for his size. He uses his size to go down the middle(maybe too often) vs being a perimeter player. Likes to take players one on one.

Excellent 200ft game and he pks

Imo he is the perfect fit for this team

 

[Zaddy]

One thing I will say about Cozens after watching some more footage on him recently is that he is a better goalscorer than I've given him credit for. His release is actually pretty darn good. If he can translate that part of his game to the NHL he will be a valuable player. Looking forward to seeing him at the U18's. Might move him up a little bit on my list.

 

[OilerBaron]

What do you guys think of Philip Broberg? I know we need forwards but this kid looks like a stud. Also like the the idea adding another talented Swede to our prospect pipeline.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

I think all I’m saying is we should do the best we can to avoid smaller guys on our team and try our best to build a bigger team that can keep up with the skating. I just don’t want to see 10 million $$ long term contracts on smaller players.

If they figure out strategies that work within current rules to keep these smaller players to the outside then that will be game over for them. It doesn’t take much for a change to occur.

The smaller players should be afraid to play us and afraid to go in the corners.. make them useless.

I agree, you can have maybe 2 smaller guys that aren't very strong on your team if they are highly skilled.

 

[gordonhught]

What do you guys think of Philip Broberg? I know we need forwards but this kid looks like a stud. Also like the the idea adding another talented Swede to our prospect pipeline.

I know.

The question: Is Broberg a better defense prospect than Zegras/Krebs at forward?

If the Oilers go D, then they will need to move some people out (Benning, Larrson, Russell, Sekera).

Oilers defense prospects would be stacked (Bouchard, Broberg, Samkourov, Jones, Bear, Lagesson, Persson, etc.)

 

[Bryanbryoil]

So is Cozens like the good version of Dustin Brown or not as physical?

 

[OilerBaron]

I know.

The question: Is Broberg a better defense prospect than Zegras/Krebs at forward?

If the Oilers go D, then they will need to move some people out (Benning, Larrson, Russell, Sekera).

Oilers defense prospects would be stacked (Bouchard, Broberg, Samkourov, Jones, Bear, Lagesson, Persson, etc.)

IMO he has a higher ceiling.

The way the game is trending, free-wheeling dman will become more and more important to a team's roster. I want us to roll the dice and maybe draft that guy who could be a top-pairing D for 10+yrs. Because teams just aren't going to part with their top-tier d prospects, the draft is the only way forward.

Sekera and Russell each have 2-4 years left in them, I'd package either of them with a pick to get a young 2nd/3rd line forward. Also have no issue moving Benning for a similar sort of return.

The biggest worry I have on the back end is the lack of leadership after Sekera/Russell.

 

[dustrock]

Doesn't Cozens have the highest 5v5 scoring in the entire CHL? I'm wary of guys who are PP specialists in junior. RNH, maybe Kaliyev.

 

[Joey Moss]

I don't know much about Broberg. All I know is that there is a significantly bigger need for a forward to have in our system and the consensus is that forwards are the BPA at 8 anyways.

 

[McDNicks17]

Doesn't Cozens have the highest 5v5 scoring in the entire CHL? I'm wary of guys who are PP specialists in junior. RNH, maybe Kaliyev.

I think he leads draft eligible guys in the CHL(if you don't count Leason), but definitely not the entire CHL.

WHL: Cozens(0.87), Dach(0.65), Krebs(0.61).

OHL: Tomasino(0.85), Kaliyev(0.82), McMichael(0.72).

QMJHL: Nathan Legare(0.87), Lavoie(0.84), Pelletier(0.83).


Kaliyev actually leads all those players in primary 5v5 points-per-game.

 

[780il]

About this Legare guy:

He has pretty good numbers and he's a righty. Might be a good pick in the 2nd... What's the knock on him and whys he ranked in the mid 2nd?

 

[Zaddy]

About this Legare guy:

He has pretty good numbers and he's a righty. Might be a good pick in the 2nd... What's the knock on him and whys he ranked in the mid 2nd?

Skating and being more of a complementary player, apparently. Haven't seen him myself, just browsed through his thread on the prospects board some day ago.

 

[MettleMcOiler]

Broberg has been described as “the most complete defenceman in his draft class.” His skating is already at an elite level, and he’s played the game at the highest levels available to him. Looking at the points he’s put up in his career, he doesn’t stand out, but considering he’s been significantly younger than the players he’s played with, his stat lines are nothing to balk at.

https://thehockeywriters.com/philip-broberg-2019-nhl-draft-prospect-profile/

 

[McTonyBrar]

Well I can only hope you’re wrong. For me hockey is a rough game, played on raw emotion and a healthy dose of anger. I can appreciate skill and speed obviously, and of course great goaltending but usually when I leave a game and I’m driving home it’s the big hit or the great fight that we’re talking about. Anyway, to each their own

My friend hockey isn't a great fight or hit anymore. It's skill. Skill > Hits = Success

 

[McTonyBrar]

Anyone else getting a Dal Colle vibes from Cozens? Hopefully he get's picked early and Turcotte/Dach fall to us.

That is what I am scared of. Great skill. No Hockey IQ