2019 Draft Talk

[Putt Pirate]

Really? 1+1 = 4.

Not with Ward playing a majority of our games.

 

[dougd]

Hammond was the "HamBurglar" ... but hey maybe Delia is our Hamburger ! ..

So you’re saying you’d rather have a Deli Sandwich?
I knowFive Guys who disagree.

 

[Giovi]

If Delia is our Hamburger (remember what Andrew Hammond did in getting Ottawa to the playoffs a few seasibs back ,even though they were horrible in the possession metrics /advanced stats) then indeed we could drop out of the top ten..

So better hope Crawford returns or the Hawks management defers to Ward and does not give Delia the net except maybe every 4th game ...

We could still get lucky if we finish say 11th or 12 the and win a top 3 in the lotto draws.
But it is not likely that we duplicate the lucky move up by Carolina last draft ...you cannot expect lightning to strike the same spot twice ...

More likely is that a 6-8 spit moves up to get one of the top 3...

Delia could ruin our chances of a 6-8 or better pre-Lotto draws...

On the one hand we want our team to do well and win...on the other hand the chance to get a pick early in round one ,hopefully a top 3
Is very important to the long term success of the re-build..

Dach Kakko and Pidkolzin would be my top 3 targets...I think jack Hughes is too risky given his snuf size and the things he does not do ...

Put it his way ...if 2020 draft eligible small centre Marco Rossi were head to head with Hughes ,I would take Rossi over him ...better at face offs ...better defensively...better. in work ethic shift after shift...off the charts good ...still highly skilled but a complete hockey player (Rossi has been a sensation in the OHL till he hot injured ...either late November or early December as I recall ...but after viewing g him when he was in the lineup fircthec67s I came away so impressed. .everything g screams total hockey player in every aspect except size though he weighs mire than Hughes alreasy even though a year younger ..

Does he just cut and paste his Hughes opinions from post to post?

Unless something changes drastically, any GM who passed up Hughes for anyone would be the laughing stock of the league. And likely run out of town on a rail within 2 years. He would, however, receive a lot of love from the GM picking second.

We're dealing here with a guy who did about 100 posts extolling the virtues of taking Turris over Kane. He has a size infatuation which borders on unhealthy.

As was the case with Kane and Turris, Savard and Wickenheiser, etc, making a draft decision on physical maturity while ignoring a wide talent gap is pure madness.

 

[crazyhawk]

So you’re saying you’d rather have a Deli Sandwich?
I knowFive Guys who disagree.

For sure a deli .. ahhh sandwich vs a hamburger!

 

[hawksfan50]

This is like saying any GM that passes up Wickenheiser for any one else ..or Alexander Daigle for anyone is would be a laughingstock. ..Hughes is not McDavid ..his size IS a risk . And he is not great in several aspects of the game ..He benefits from playing with top talent on thev USNTDP that other juniors who do not play on "all star" teams do not get the benefit of..It is easier to shine on an al-star squad of mostly the best peer age talent in the whole USA ...How many goals and poj ts would a Kurashev get if he got that kind of help instead of being bone boffins only a few NHL potential players on Switzerland or on just a normal Q teMlije Quebec Ramparts which are not the cream of their league.

My point is all USNTDO players get somewhat over-inflated values precisely because they shine with So MUCH depth of talent supporting them..

Further hebpjaysvkess games than the CHL kids do ..less "grind"..and not as many long bus rides...


So he has more helo and a less arduous schedule ..More time to train ..

All these. Factors mean tgerevisxspnecrisk it may not all translate to pro success..especially given his size.

Of course.Che has skills ..but thereally xate many other factors too. .Also plays in larger ice surface in home games ..More space for him ..

The extra depth of his support cast cN lead to many more pp chances ..and that too let's him shine more..

So he getsclitsvofcadvNtages many other prospects of junior age do not get .

I am not saying he will flip..just that he is not a generational McDacid-like prospects and there is no way any GM would be a laughingstock if they took Kako or Podkilzin ahead of him as they could well develop into better pros ...projecting their size and skill sets. . THERE IS NO 100% certain types with first time draft eligibleso at 18 or some still 17vat the draft ..You will not know for sure who got the better player till 3-5 years out when they nature to men..

Just because at this pic t Hughesville #1 consensus does nut guarantee anything ..

 

[AmericanDream]

you have no clue what you are talking about Fiddy, just stop and enjoy your cool beverages..

 

[Giovi]

if he got that kind of help instead of being bone boffins only a few NHL potential players on Switzerland or on just a normal Q teMlije Quebec Ramparts which are not the cream of their league.

Factors mean tgerevisxspnecrisk

So he getsclitsvofcadvNtages

How in the hell am i supposed to respond to something that makes absolutely no sense to me?

Bottom line...Hughes is pretty much universally ranked number one, by any scouting service that matters. And none i have seen are qualifying it in any way.

 

[LDF]

and as a counter point, wasn't Nail Yakupov also considered a hand down #1 pick by those same media press junkets and justifying it ??

 

[Giovi]

and as a counter point, wasn't Nail Yakupov also considered a hand down #1 pick by those same media press junkets and justifying it ??

I went back and checked out ISS's report on Yakupov:

Scouting Report:
Simply put, he is a Ferrari. A dynamic scorer. Undisputed top player in draft. Yakupov has jaw dropping offensive talent and NHL ready quickness on his skates.

So, simply put touche, LDF. But to my mind, that occurrence, where a consensus #1 totally bombs, is pretty rare.

 

[LDF]

I went back and checked out ISS's report on Yakupov:

Scouting Report:
Simply put, he is a Ferrari. A dynamic scorer. Undisputed top player in draft. Yakupov has jaw dropping offensive talent and NHL ready quickness on his skates.

So, simply put touche, LDF. But to my mind, that occurrence, where a consensus #1 totally bombs, is pretty rare.

and while you are correct in that assessment, it stands to reason that everything drafted in round 1 will be a sure fire hit....

i rather be a little skeptical and continue to do a wait and see until draft - day happens. it is then the real decision will be made.....

 

[Taze em]

What's the deal with Brett Leason? He looks amazing in the WJC to me but went undrafted and isn't highly rated for the next draft either?

 

[GroovyHawksFan]

What's the deal with Brett Leason? He looks amazing in the WJC to me but went undrafted and isn't highly rated for the next draft either?

I'm guessing him being an overager has a lot to do with it.

 

[clydesdale line]

What's the deal with Brett Leason? He looks amazing in the WJC to me but went undrafted and isn't highly rated for the next draft either?

Alot of the mocks I've seen has him late first, early second... but yea him being an overager hurts him being a top 10-15 pick.

 

[piteus]

We only have 9 Canadians on our current roster.

The Hawks have a lot of non Canadians who might make the roster next year with current Canadians Ward, Davidson, Kunitz, Sikura, Crow on the bubble ... with Seabrook and Keith on the trading block. We can also draft Kakko or Hughes this year.

The Hawks have a truly international roster.

 

[hawksfan50]

If the Hawks somehow manage only to draft 6-10 instead of top 5 ....I wonder if we would consider a trade down IF a team offered 2 firsts (either a team with multiple firsts this season. ..or a 2019 and 2020 first) .


Consensus top 5 seems to be Jack Hughes,Kaapo Kako, Vaslii Pidkolzin, and then the 2 WHL Centers Kirby Dach and Dylan Cozens (in what preference you prefer) ...But then it sort of diverges in ranking opinions .. you have done Dmen and we are not likely to choose any in round 2 given our dman prospect depth..we need forwards...So either a team may want to move up for a Dman they covet before he goes off the board or it may also be a forward they covet still there like Turcotte, Zegras,Lavoie or Boldy who could go 6-12 again defending on preference where you rank them..

My point is there may be other forwards who could develop to better pros who currently rank as higher teens or even 20's ranking currently on most lists ...such that IF we could get 2 firsts for giving up say a 6-8 the puck if we land there after the lotto ,it might be the better option than to just risk on a " 2nd tier" (6-12 grouping) guy
..

I will give an example of a lower ranked first round forward who had caught my eye recently on my first viewing of him...

It is Philipp Thomasino of the Niagara Ice Dogs ...listed as a Center 6'0 181 does not turn 18 till June 2019 ... it looked to me when I viewed him recently that he was playing LW ..but I read that earlier this season when Niagara #1 Center Akil Thomas was out with injury he got a chance to step in that spot and produced...

I believe he has 17 g and 22 assists so far this season ...but the eye test told me he had something ...both ome good offensive skill ability AND a competitive burning hard work ethic...

I looked up scouting reports on him and that us exactly what they said ...confirming my opinion on the eye test ..This will be a very Consistent type player. ..He was the 5th selection in the OHL Priority Selection Draft in his draft to this league ..so obviously his talent was recognized ...but my point is the eye test tells a lot about a player besides the production c which will only improve as he plays as an 18 and 19 year old the next 2 seasons ...

I just think he will turn out to be a good pro ...talent is one thing ..but a consistent hard work ethic is either in you or not ...He has that. ...very impressed with his compete level..

It will be interesting to see if he becomes a "riser"in the 2nd half...Currently some rankings put him 23-26 range but as I said he might be a Rosser to mud teens when Final rankings come out ...I think he may be really emerging now and a strong 2nd half could make him a very intriguing prospect to consider. ..Do not think he goes 6-12 ..but maybe 15-19? ...I will watch more to see if my initial impression if him stays or even improves as to how good he may become.

 

[LDF]

there will always be opposing views of whether to make such a move and into what area....

for me, if the Bhawks do not pick either #1 or 2, i would be willing to trade into the teens of the first round.

 

[pvr]

Not quoting hf50, but as a contrarian opinion, I think we have enough of the potential “good pros” in the system. We need some elite talent. Keep the pick and take Turcotte if available and Hawks fall in the draft.

I also have to say that Kurashev is intriguing. Faster than I thought, good shot, high compete level. Him, Strome, and Barratt make a nice 2-3-4 center trio if we lose on Hughes (who might start as a winger before moving to center, a la Seguin).

 

[Kevin Musto]

If we don't draft at 1 or 2, I want Pelletier.

 

[hawksfan50]

Well the best 40 from the 3 CHL(WHL,OHL,QMJHL) draft eligibles will be playing I'm the CHL NHL Sherman Williams Top Prospects Game on tge night ofJanuary 23...Sports net in Canada will televise the game..


Again 1 peer vs. peer game of these draft eligible Juniors does notnecessarily change any ranking g opinions..but it will be interesting g to see who really stands out ...it is not always the "conensus" top ten possible picks from this crop ...

In the year Patrick Kane was drafted ,he was mehat this game ...quite disappointed ting ...on the contrary it was Henrik Jokiharju with 3 asdisysxwho was a player of the Game in his draft year...perhaps that game where he excelled against the top peer group from the CHL leagues helped the Hawks to target him at the draft?

It us said a bad game will not hurt a guy that much but a great performance at least sparks more I Teresa to follow a player more closely the rest of the season as a possible target for certain teams.

But of course Nobody in this game could ever be a better pro than Jack Hughes,right? That us not possible at all ,because all the posters who
think he is the Messiah at not even 18 , are correct ,and little old me who doubts he will impact like McDavid or Crosby or Mathews ,or be a franchise player, is 100% wrong,right?

How quickly we forget the busts like ..you know ...Alexandre Daigle who Ever body was 109% sure was going to be a superstar...or the really old case of ,dare I say it,Doug Wicjenheiser ..

Sure there are way more top of the draft success stories than total busts...not saying Jack Hughes will bust,he may just not be as good at 23 as he was at 17 -18 ...there are cases of junior stats who play NHL but never really turn to the gold standard at the NHL level..

He. Could be a big star..but there is a risk he may not be as great as some think. Just saying..Nothing us 100% guaranteed.

Again not saying he will bust ,he might turn out to be a star ...I may be wrong
.but still nobody should bet the farm that he is a solution to a bad team,when all he ever pays on are good teams in that cozy set-up UDNTDP has..

Too bad because he is not a CHL player,he will not be in this game .

Would have loved to see him play vs. a good all-star team of peer competition though he would still have lots of talent on his team to play off.

But alas.we cannot see that scenario ..

Jack Hughes probably will still go 1st overall...Whichever lousy team that is ,I doubt he brings instant success to ..It will take years and more high pucks to play with him for that to happen.
.

 

[LDF]

Not quoting hf50, but as a contrarian opinion, I think we have enough of the potential “good pros” in the system. We need some elite talent. Keep the pick and take Turcotte if available and Hawks fall in the draft.

I also have to say that Kurashev is intriguing. Faster than I thought, good shot, high compete level. Him, Strome, and Barratt make a nice 2-3-4 center trio if we lose on Hughes (who might start as a winger before moving to center, a la Seguin).

Kurashev and Kakko as been my 2 from the very beginning.... i do not know why, they just intrigue me. now with Kurashev it is his offensive stats that intriguing ......

 

[LDF]

now with the WJC ending ..... is there any players that the Bhawks should look into drafting in the later rounds ???

 

[migi]

now with the WJC ending ..... is there any players that the Bhawks should look into drafting in the later rounds ???

Let's wait until U18 and talk about that again.

U18 is the main competition for these guys.

 

[Kevin Musto]

My hard drive died so I lost all my scouting research :/

Really unfortunate

 

[BK]

My hard drive died so I lost all my scouting research :/

Really unfortunate

Assuming you are not a real scout (not a dig), how did you organize it? Excel and file folders?

Sorry to hear.

 

[Kevin Musto]

Assuming you are not a real scout (not a dig), how did you organize it? Excel and file folders?

Sorry to hear.

I am not a real scout haha. Just like doing it for fun. Folders and txt (notepad) documents. Excel would probably be more organized but I'm used to the way I do it. In hindsight I should've been doing them on Google Drive. Oh well.