deaderhead28
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In the last 8 drafts, only twice has the team finishing dead last,got the first overall pick.
2019 Draft Discussion
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KingsFan7824
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Under the current lottery system, teams finishing last have picked 1st twice. Teams finishing 2nd haven't picked in the top 3. Teams finishing 3rd have moved up once, and moved down twice.
I don't think there's a whole lot of trading down in the NHL draft on draft day. Not in the top half of the 1st round anyway. Some over the years, but it's probably been more about a strong desire for a team to trade up. You see trading down more in the NFL. Most players there are 21/22 already. More finished products, more guys that will play right now, so it's easier to target a need. If there's a d-man to take for the Kings, take the d-man if he's the BPA. They need forward skill, but a talented defenseman is never not a need. They need everything.
I don't think there's a whole lot of trading down in the NHL draft on draft day. Not in the top half of the 1st round anyway. Some over the years, but it's probably been more about a strong desire for a team to trade up. You see trading down more in the NFL. Most players there are 21/22 already. More finished products, more guys that will play right now, so it's easier to target a need. If there's a d-man to take for the Kings, take the d-man if he's the BPA. They need forward skill, but a talented defenseman is never not a need. They need everything.
Kaako Kappo
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Isn't this kinda like heads or tails? You can get tails 10 times out of 10 but it still doesn't mean you're more likely to get tails next time you flip the coin.
DoktorJeep
Luc and Rob are a waste of time and money.
Blake has his work cut out for him at the draft even if we don’t get a lottery pick. On the good side he has a surplus of draft picks which we desperately need to produce at least 3 nhl players.
But he also has this stack of dry cow turds he’s permitted to pile up and now is going to peddle with all the other traders at the summer bazaar. I’m worried that he’s more desperate to find dumping grounds for Quick, Carter, Phaneuf, Martinez, Lewis, Toffoli, Kovalchuk and, I pray, Forbort.
But he also has this stack of dry cow turds he’s permitted to pile up and now is going to peddle with all the other traders at the summer bazaar. I’m worried that he’s more desperate to find dumping grounds for Quick, Carter, Phaneuf, Martinez, Lewis, Toffoli, Kovalchuk and, I pray, Forbort.
TopT
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Turcotte is lighting up the USHL, 2,15 PPG vs 1,72 for Hughes; he will go third; we really cant be winning any more games 
; we are already out of the top 5 if the worst case scenario
; we are already out of the top 5 if the worst case scenario
KingsFan7824
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Yes, exactly. If the Kings don't get Hughes or Kakko, nobody will be satisfied, and it will be a total letdown. The only way to get one of them is to win one of the first two lottery picks. Going by history, we can see finishing 2nd worst guarantees nothing, either way, whether you have slightly better odds of picking 2nd or not. So if they finish 2nd, 3rd, or 6th, they will or will not get Hughes or Kakko. Worrying about the Kings daring to win a given game, or how much Detroit or NJ suck, is sort of pointless.
All that matters is lottery day. 2nd worst has better odds than anyone behind them to pick 2nd, but the field has better odds of having someone pick 2nd than the team finishing 2nd worst.
What gives you the impression he's desperate?
If people make it into a total letdown, then they need to spend more time researching the Top 10. Everyone(including myself) wants Hughes or Kakko but there are several players who could make a big impact on this team. Any player in the group of Cozens, Dach, Turcotte, Boldy, Zegras, Byram or Krebs would most be a nice addition to have in our system and would probably be our #1 or #2 prospect.
Peter James Bond II
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Agreed...I posted the same thing last page, I think....and the Tor apx #27 and Kings #2 apx #35 will get 2 more high end prospects. Or trade one of them and move up or package with something to acquire a roster player. Asset management. And have 2 picks in the 3rd round. The Kings have drafted better the last 3 years...and even got Mikey Anderson rd 4 2 years ago. So, 5 picks in the first
3 rounds is great.
KopitarFAN
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Precisely. Some people expect immediate gratification out of this pick, but due to college commitments or needing more time in Juniors that likely doesn't come with anyone other than Hughes or Kakko, and that's fine by me.
DoktorJeep
Luc and Rob are a waste of time and money.
Since the start of the season, several moves were made to try and turn things around.
First, the coach was fired on short notice and replaced with a cheap hack who won the job because they were basically the only person with a pulse and head coaching experience who returned our calls.
Second, a forward was traded from a team who has trouble scoring goals, because they failed to live up to expectations. The returns were ok at best, and those plus Pearson’s subsequent play show that the Kings overvalued him at the start of the season.
Both appear desperate given how different the message was only a couple weeks prior.
Blake came out and said what difficult it was to make these moves, so I take him at face value. Subsequently, he signals a fresh start for the team by trading Muzzin. Again, I take him at his word that now we are looking forward in a relentless pursuit of talent.
I’m not sure how you can be relentless with taking some risks, and usually those involve some desperate planning. Given the pattern of quick decisions and low to medium risk adjustments, I’m willing to suspect that the offices in El Segundo reek of desperation.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
I don't think it's that people don't like the next crop of players, it's just that not much separates them from, say, Vilardi (but obviously health). We haven't had an offensive superstar in over a decade and I don't think anyone but the top two will offensively surpass Kopitar. That's the kind of thing that changes a franchise, not "simply" a surefire top-sixer, which again isn't to disparage guys like Turcotte who I love.
Choralone
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Agree. We have holes all over the ice. Centers, wingers, defensemen - we need them all.
lumbergh
It was an idea. I didn't say it was a good idea.
KingsFan7824
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An early season firing and trade when the team and that player start the way they did is somewhat desperate, but Blake's job doesn't seem to be in jeopardy yet. That's what I mean by desperate. Pearson and Muzzin were a couple of the easier guys to trade, and Blake didn't give up anything extra to get rid of them, or anyone else on the roster. Until he starts doing that, I don't see him as desperate. Is giving Kovalchuk the extra year desperate? Maybe, in a way, but it didn't hurt the future. At least he was a free agent, and not a trade. He didn't even go all in for the 2018 deadline in any real way. I think we can see that there wasn't going to be a coach that was going to save the vets on this team this year. Whether it was Stevens, WD, or whoever else, this season ends up being toast from day 1 of camp. Sloppy at the start, and nothing ever got better. An amazing dud of a season.
KingsFan7824
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If the Kings finish 30th, they have better odds of picking 5th than they do of picking 2nd or 3rd combined. Previous results in the current lottery have nothing to do with this year's lottery. However, 100% of the time in previous results so far, the team finishing 2nd worst hasn't picked in the top 3. Both of those things are true, and both are worth keeping in mind. The whole tank idea may or may not mean anything.
kingsboy11
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Don't think an exact date has been released, but I suspect it'll be mid-late April
Unfortunately it's been pushed back to the last Saturday of April since 2016. That year, all seven Canadian teams managed to miss the playoffs. Perhaps it's just my own conjecture, but I always assumed they (CBC/Sportsnet) wanted to bait some extra viewers to tune in and stick around for a playoff game they might otherwise not care about.
Most recent drawings (all Saturdays):
April 18, 2015
April 30, 2016
April 29, 2017
April 28, 2018
So I'd wager a donut that this year's will be on April 27th before the prime time game. It's too bad, when TSN had the rights, they'd do it immediately after the regular season ended to give something to talk about during the three days before the playoffs got underway.
From a functional standpoint, it made more sense to do it in early April as well since the U18 tournament happens in the last two weeks of April. Perhaps a two week tournament shouldn't shift your rankings too much, but if I knew I wasn't going to be in a position to be drafting Hughes/Kakko, that would at least free up some focus on other guys.
I hate having to wait three weeks before the lottery order is settled. I can't help but start a mock draft and realize by pick #10 that it's all futile. And then I'll repeat that everyday until the lottery.
Ziggy Stardust
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I doubt that this guy's opinion will change anything. Hughes is going to go first overall. Podkolzin's ranking is interesting but it's looking more like teams are going to stay away from him and he is going to slide. It will be hard to risk a top 5 pick on a guy who may never play in the NHL.
kingsboy11
Champions Again
Feel like there's always that one guy who ranks the consensus 2nd overall pick and puts him 1st just to be different.
Herby
How could Blake have known?
Yup. I remember way back in the day it happened with Legwand.
The Tavares draft year also, some late pickers had Duchene going #1 overall.
It's like the longer they have to analyze, they start to degrade the top guy by nitpicking things. It's hard to remain #1 all year and not have people taking shots at you.
King'sPawn
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While I do think it's very likely Hughes goes first overall, I think Kakko's performance in an adult league and putting up better numbers than former 2nd overall picks makes it a fair conversation.
Especially since Kakko's numbers have improved over time, while Hughes put up insane numbers which were basically impossible to reach the year before. Plus, in head to head, Kakko's performances have stood out more.
At the very least, it's a fair conversation. I certainly don't think people are rating Kakko 1st overall to be edgy.
Especially since Kakko's numbers have improved over time, while Hughes put up insane numbers which were basically impossible to reach the year before. Plus, in head to head, Kakko's performances have stood out more.
At the very least, it's a fair conversation. I certainly don't think people are rating Kakko 1st overall to be edgy.
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