Prospect Info: 2019 Draft Discussion: LA Kings pick 5th, 22nd overall

[goosh]

Interesting Dillman article with Yanneti in The Athletic. Give him five names to talk about:

Byram/Caufield/Dach/Cozens/Turcotte

Says good things about all of them but kept the discussion short on Byram and Turcotte. Really praised Caufield and kind of had similar praise for Dach/Cozens but seemed to like Dach more.

Hard to glean anything because he isn't going to tip his hand, but Yanneti really likes Caufield. Doesn't mean he is the pick, but he seems to really dig him. At the same time, Dillman provided the names and used Caufields since she wrote a piece on him.

On the other hand, I don't think Yannetti would talk glowingly about someone he's seriously interested in at 5 one week before the draft. Makes me think Caufield is out, actually.

I think it's going to be Dach, or Byram if he's available.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Interesting Dillman article with Yanneti in The Athletic. Give him five names to talk about:

Byram/Caufield/Dach/Cozens/Turcotte

Says good things about all of them but kept the discussion short on Byram and Turcotte. Really praised Caufield and kind of had similar praise for Dach/Cozens but seemed to like Dach more.

Hard to glean anything because he isn't going to tip his hand, but Yanneti really likes Caufield. Doesn't mean he is the pick, but he seems to really dig him. At the same time, Dillman provided the names and used Caufields since she wrote a piece on him.

He also got me pumped up about Cozens, haha, talking about how he's the least developed physically even though he's the 'biggest' size wise now.

Like you said hard to glean anything there but also as you pointed out he was short about Turcotte and Byram, which leads us to the obvious conclusion that those are the two they like that they expect to not be there. They've really gotta do their homework on the other three.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

On the other hand, I don't think Yannetti would talk glowingly about someone he's seriously interested in at 5 one week before the draft. Makes me think Caufield is out, actually.

I think it's going to be Dach, or Byram if he's available.

He did speak at length about Dach with those Getzlaf comparisons, though. Like I said right above, makes me think that's where they're doing their hard homework now.

Did Dach's teammates go to his birthday party though, @KINGS17 ?

 

[King'sPawn]

Interesting Dillman article with Yanneti in The Athletic. Give him five names to talk about:

Byram/Caufield/Dach/Cozens/Turcotte

Says good things about all of them but kept the discussion short on Byram and Turcotte. Really praised Caufield and kind of had similar praise for Dach/Cozens but seemed to like Dach more.

Hard to glean anything because he isn't going to tip his hand, but Yanneti really likes Caufield. Doesn't mean he is the pick, but he seems to really dig him. At the same time, Dillman provided the names and used Caufields since she wrote a piece on him.

Maybe I'm reading too much into things, but considering the Kings met Caufield the week before the Combine, but didn't follow up with him at the Combine (the meetings are only 15 minutes), I have a feeling they aren't AS high on Caufield as others may be.

I still think they rank Kaliyev higher among the pure goal scorers, but that's just speculation on my part.

 

[KINGS17]

He did speak at length about Dach with those Getzlaf comparisons, though. Like I said right above, makes me think that's where they're doing their hard homework now.

Did Dach's teammates go to his birthday party though, @KINGS17 ?

I don't think Dach remembers his birthday party.

 

[RocketKing]

He also got me pumped up about Cozens, haha, talking about how he's the least developed physically even though he's the 'biggest' size wise now.

Like you said hard to glean anything there but also as you pointed out he was short about Turcotte and Byram, which leads us to the obvious conclusion that those are the two they like that they expect to not be there. They've really gotta do their homework on the other three.

If its down to Dach and Cozens its going to be a hard choice I bet. I know everyone want the big center but Boldy is also a really talented forward who can pass and score with speed and size. Like I said, someone's going to make a really hard decision.

 

[Steve Zissou]

I can't wait for rounds 1 + 2 to be done with so we can stop microanalyzing - I'm sure the scouts have been doing their homework all year so we don't get Hickey'd again.

 

[Herby]

So if they take a center that would be centers with the 1st&2nd in 2017, 1st&2nd in 2018 and 1st in 2019.

I know BPA, and while some centers can switch to the wing it's far from a guarantee, this seems a bit ridiculous to add yet another center. If they go C again it sure seems like they have lost hope with Vilardi.

 

[yankeeking]

Boldy really stood out at the U18 tournament, he passed extremely well , seemed to make the right or smart play consistently and skated well and is a big guy

 

[AzKing]

It would seem to be that the evaluation of Caufield really boils down to one thing. If a team feels that he can consistently score 35-40 goals a season, then draft him. He is a smallish guy who isn't really a complete player but he could be the most dynamic offensive talent in the draft if the projection hits. If he ends up as a 20 goal guy then it's a whiff on the pick. You take a guy like this because you think that he is going to score a ton of goals and be a high point guy. When you look at guys like Turcotte, Dach and Cozens, you probably are expecting them to play more of a complete game.

 

[King'sPawn]

So if they take a center that would be centers with the 1st&2nd in 2017, 1st&2nd in 2018 and 1st in 2019.

I know BPA, and while some centers can switch to the wing it's far from a guarantee, this seems a bit ridiculous to add yet another center. If they go C again it sure seems like they have lost hope with Vilardi.

Not really sure how you get to that conclusion.

Top 5 Centers: Hughes, Turcotte, Dach, Krebs, Zegras

Top 5 Defense: Byram, Harley, Seider, Heinola, Soderstrom

Top 3 goalies: Knight, Wolf, Sogaard

Top 5 RW: Kakko, Podkolzin, Caufield, Kaliyev, Brink

Top 5 LW: Boldy, Dorofeyev, Pelletier, Foote, Hoglander

Center is really where the top end players are. Big drop off after Boldy. Podkolzin's more risky. Caufield could be had, but at 5th overall? I didn't even mention Cozens and Newhook at center.

Defense has a significant dropoff after Byram.

I'm guessing if they get a center at 5, it's because they're pretty sure he's a good player.

 

[Kingspiracy]

On the other hand, I don't think Yannetti would talk glowingly about someone he's seriously interested in at 5 one week before the draft. Makes me think Caufield is out, actually.

I think it's going to be Dach, or Byram if he's available.

 

[Telos]

So if they take a center that would be centers with the 1st&2nd in 2017, 1st&2nd in 2018 and 1st in 2019.

I know BPA, and while some centers can switch to the wing it's far from a guarantee, this seems a bit ridiculous to add yet another center. If they go C again it sure seems like they have lost hope with Vilardi.

It should still be BPA. Centers can be converted to wing or they can be developed and traded, but if you don't take BPA then you just end up back at the Teubert situation. Also, we have potential at center but we certainly are not stacked.

 

[kilowatt]

Caufield would look real good next to Kupari and Wagner.

Side note, we have way too many forwards.

1. Kopitar
2. Carter
3. Kempe
4. Lewis
5. Amadio
6. Vilardi
7. Anderson-Dolan
8. Kupari
9. Prokhorkin
10. Thomas
11. Kovalchuk
12. Iafallo
13. Clifford
14. Wagner
15. Brown
16. Toffoli
17. Luff
18. Grundstrom
19. Brodzinski

 

[Peter James Bond II]

It should still be BPA. Centers can be converted to wing or they can be developed and traded, but if you don't take BPA then you just end up back at the Teubert situation. Also, we have potential at center but we certainly are not stacked.

And Boldy is a LW that can play center. Watched a lot of his footage and wonder if he's a better prospect than Dach, Cozens, Zegras...he's damn good and I don't see any holes
in his game and there's a lot to like. No real warts. He's grown over the last year too and not sure what he was at the combine, but is 6'2" 195 as well.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

Around 27 goals total, KP.

TT would be hard pressed to score 27 on the Reign. No way he scores 27 in the NHL ever again.

TT had 3 PP goals and 2 PP assists. That's probably the worst in the NHL for all players with simialr
PP minutes. 5.8% shooting percentage was 450th in NHL and behind King defenseman Matt Roy,
who was supposed to never play an NHL game....so how does TT become a 27 goal scorer in the NHL?
He had ample chances and clear shots on the PP. And 2 assists all year on the PP is putrid. Some players have 3 PP assists in a single game. I hope they trade him for anything and get hungry, young players, that care and will bust azz every shift. It's a new era and plan and one that does not include: Phaneuf, Carter and Lewis and hopefully TT.

 

[AzKing]

And Boldy is a LW that can play center. Watched a lot of his footage and wonder if he's a better prospect than Dach, Cozens, Zegras...he's damn good and I don't see any holes
in his game and there's a lot to like. No real warts. He's grown over the last year too and not sure what he was at the combine, but is 6'2" 195 as well.

Boldy is a good player. I doubt he makes it higher than #9 or #10. Awesome value from 10-15 though. Could have as much of a ceiling as any of the other guys except Hughes and Kakko.

I really like the 10-15 grouping and wish we could get up into it. I don't see any downside to the guys who will probably be there in Boldy, Krebs, Newhook, Kaliyev or the Dmen in Broberg, Harley and Seider.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

Boldy is a good player. I doubt he makes it higher than #9 or #10. Awesome value from 10-15 though. Could have as much of a ceiling as any of the other guys except Hughes and Kakko.

I really like the 10-15 grouping and wish we could get up into it. I don't see any downside to the guys who will probably be there in Boldy, Krebs, Newhook, Kaliyev or the Dmen in Broberg, Harley and Seider.

Fine, I have seen all the rankings...but how are the 3-4 forwards ahead of Boldy, better? it seems to me he's on par with all of them pretty much. He and Turcotte may be the 2 best 200 foot players in the draft, for that matter. I'm just wondering because he's LW, he gets bumped below Dach, Cozens and Zegras. I know the Kings will get a very good player at 5, I am just hoping they can somehow move up from 22 and get one of: Boldy, Kaliyev, Newhook.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

TT would be hard pressed to score 27 on the Reign. No way he scores 27 in the NHL ever again.

TT had 3 PP goals and 2 PP assists. That's probably the worst in the NHL for all players with simialr
PP minutes. 5.8% shooting percentage was 450th in NHL and behind King defenseman Matt Roy,
who was supposed to never play an NHL game....so how does TT become a 27 goal scorer in the NHL?
He had ample chances and clear shots on the PP. And 2 assists all year on the PP is putrid. Some players have 3 PP assists in a single game. I hope they trade him for anything and get hungry, young players, that care and will bust azz every shift. It's a new era and plan and one that does not include: Phaneuf, Carter and Lewis and hopefully TT.

Well we all know he had a bad season.

TT will score around 27 goals because he was averaging 24 goals a season in all of his latest seasons before that. That is why.

 

[Mats26]

Caufield would look real good next to Kupari and Wagner.

Side note, we have way too many forwards.

1. Kopitar
2. Carter
3. Kempe
4. Lewis
5. Amadio
6. Vilardi
7. Anderson-Dolan
8. Kupari
9. Prokhorkin
10. Thomas
11. Kovalchuk
12. Iafallo
13. Clifford
14. Wagner
15. Brown
16. Toffoli
17. Luff
18. Grundstrom
19. Brodzinski

The way I see it:
If JAD is ready Lewis is traded
If Vilardi is healthy Toffoli is traded. Traded at the TDL regardless.
Thomas is 2 years away
Brodzinski will not sign he is a UFA
Kupari starts in AHL.
Prokhorkin 50/50 he makes the team or heads back to Russia\Europe.

 

[RocketKing]

And Boldy is a LW that can play center. Watched a lot of his footage and wonder if he's a better prospect than Dach, Cozens, Zegras...he's damn good and I don't see any holes
in his game and there's a lot to like. No real warts. He's grown over the last year too and not sure what he was at the combine, but is 6'2" 195 as well.

If Byram and Turcotte are gone i would not be at all surprised to see us pick Boldy. The guy is a great player with a well developed physical presence who competes. He’s a guy i’d love to have in my team and would be totally happy with the pick even at 5. If Byram is still there then you just gotta take a guy with that impact.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Caufield would look real good next to Kupari and Wagner.

Side note, we have way too many forwards.

1. Kopitar
2. Carter
3. Kempe
4. Lewis
5. Amadio
6. Vilardi
7. Anderson-Dolan
8. Kupari
9. Prokhorkin
10. Thomas
11. Kovalchuk
12. Iafallo
13. Clifford
14. Wagner
15. Brown
16. Toffoli
17. Luff
18. Grundstrom
19. Brodzinski

Well, Vilardi isn’t healthy.

Brodzinski is a free agent.

Kupari will start in the AHL.

I believe Thomas goes back to juniors - only 19.

Dolan needs time in the AHL.

So that’s -5.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Both players appeared in 35 games total, combined, with the Kings. Yeesh.

 

[johnjm22]

TT would be hard pressed to score 27 on the Reign. No way he scores 27 in the NHL ever again.

TT had 3 PP goals and 2 PP assists. That's probably the worst in the NHL for all players with simialr
PP minutes. 5.8% shooting percentage was 450th in NHL and behind King defenseman Matt Roy,
who was supposed to never play an NHL game....so how does TT become a 27 goal scorer in the NHL?
He had ample chances and clear shots on the PP. And 2 assists all year on the PP is putrid. Some players have 3 PP assists in a single game. I hope they trade him for anything and get hungry, young players, that care and will bust azz every shift. It's a new era and plan and one that does not include: Phaneuf, Carter and Lewis and hopefully TT.

Brown will never score 20 goals in the NHL ever again!

The fact that TT's shooting percentage was a career low bodes well for him. It means last year was most likely an aberration.

Also not impossible that Carter bounces back, but I certainly wouldn't bet on it.

 

[Telos]

Brown will never score 20 goals in the NHL ever again!

The fact that TT's shooting percentage was a career low bodes well for him. It means last year was most likely an aberration.

Also not impossible that Carter bounces back, but I certainly wouldn't bet on it.

To be honest, I wouldn't bet on any of those. Brown is still going to be used in the top 6 and he is healthy and has had a couple of strong years now. He will have the chance.

Toffoli should do better, but he hasn't shown much improvement over the years and requires a lot of outside factors to help his game.

Carter played 6 games less, and as bad as he was, he still matched Toffoli and scored 13 and edged out Kempe. Given our young depth, if paired well and recovered from his ailments, he could still be able to put the puck in the net.

It's tough to say all-around...