Prospect Info: 2019 Draft Discussion: LA Kings pick 5th, 22nd overall

[King'sPawn]

I'd prefer not to get Knight at 22. While he is the top goalie prospect in this draft, our depth in goal is the strongest its been in years. I'd take him at 33 for sure, but I think this position is the least of our concerns and look to the later rounds.

Even though I wrote an article on Knight, I'm not really that high on him.

 

[Rekingsfan17]

If Byram and Turcotte are gone at #5 I am hoping (at the moment) that the scouting staff picks Alex Newhook or Trevor Zegras. I'd prefer Newhook as I feel like he has the most upside.

At #22 I'm hoping Kaliyev, Tomasino or Brink falls to us and the scouting staff picks one of them. I know Brink is ranked lower on a lot of lists but I think he's a riser by draft day.......
#stinkforbrink (credit to Evan Oppenheimer).

On day two at #33, I'm hoping Lavoie, Hoglander, Heinola or Puistola falls to us and the scouting staff picks one of them.....

Is it Draft Day yet.......?

 

[Foxtail]

I'm gonna disagree with you on this one, with a qualifier I think he's a no brainer if he's there at #33. He's the highest rated goalie in the draft. Petersen turns 25 as the season starts. One of Petersen and/or Campbell could be lost in the expansion draft, not to mention we don't know if we can even move Quick at this point (no market). Kings don't have any blue chip goalie prospects after Petersen. GM has to think 3-5 years down the road and "fill in the boxes". In 5 years Petersen is already 30. Seven year gap between Petersen and Knight. If Knight is the BPA at #33, we should take him, particularly is we get an excellent forward and defensive prospect with the first two picks. The reality is I don't think Knight will be there at #33. A lot of rumors Colorado picks him at #16.

There's been different discussions on whether the Avs should take Knight and personally I'd rather pass.

The thought process being take a stab at someone in later rounds . You can always trade for an up and coming goalie after some development time for a 1st after being more certain of him. Just seems like a waste to take one with a 1st with the risk involved. This has been the Avs strategy for years so I'd be shocked if we picked knight at #16

Having said this if he is picked at # 16 then combined with our young core players already and prospects potentially at every position, would allow us to throw an offer sheet at one of the big RFA's and give up the four future 1sts starting next year

Edit: Or we could play possum and bait a team really high on him for the 22 pick and pick up an extra 3rd from them and use it in Kotchetkov

 

[Mats26]

With 10 picks I am pretty sure we will pick a goalie somewhere but it will probably be after round 3. Some drafts, goalies are just overlooked and fall. We can grab one in the later rounds. i.e Cayden Primeau was picked in the 7th round.

 

[BigKing]

Watched my first highlight video on Dach. Real nice one-on-one moves against the goalie but kind of slow looking and sleepy.

Then you watch Byram and it is effing crazy how many of the plays he actually looks like a forward joining the rush. Looks like a better goal scorer then Dach. Seems really dynamic. The video I watched didn't show any defensive highlights though but, shit, put him at wing if he can't play defense. Joking, but barely.

 

[KingsHockey24]

Byram at 5 and then we trade 22/33 up for Newhook?

 

[regulate]

If Byram and Turcotte are gone at #5 I am hoping (at the moment) that the scouting staff picks Alex Newhook or Trevor Zegras. I'd prefer Newhook as I feel like he has the most upside.

At #22 I'm hoping Kaliyev, Tomasino or Brink falls to us and the scouting staff picks one of them. I know Brink is ranked lower on a lot of lists but I think he's a riser by draft day.......
#stinkforbrink (credit to Evan Oppenheimer).

On day two at #33, I'm hoping Lavoie, Hoglander, Heinola or Puistola falls to us and the scouting staff picks one of them.....

Is it Draft Day yet.......?

The sooner you come to terms with the fact the Kings will draft Dach if Turcotte or Byram are not on the table, the sooner you'll learn to accept it.

 

[Foxtail]

If Byram and Turcotte are gone at #5 I am hoping (at the moment) that the scouting staff picks Alex Newhook or Trevor Zegras. I'd prefer Newhook as I feel like he has the most upside.

At #22 I'm hoping Kaliyev, Tomasino or Brink falls to us and the scouting staff picks one of them. I know Brink is ranked lower on a lot of lists but I think he's a riser by draft day.......
#stinkforbrink (credit to Evan Oppenheimer).

On day two at #33, I'm hoping Lavoie, Hoglander, Heinola or Puistola falls to us and the scouting staff picks one of them.....

Is it Draft Day yet.......?

Avs fan here, Zegras and Newhook are the 2 of the 3
I want the most, Boldy being the other

 

[Foxtail]

Byram at 5 and then we trade 22/33 up for Newhook?

Avs and Habs are rumored to really like him #15 and #16 , no way he makes it to # 22

Edit: my bad I misread that sorry

 

[Foxtail]

Watched my first highlight video on Dach. Real nice one-on-one moves against the goalie but kind of slow looking and sleepy.

Then you watch Byram and it is effing crazy how many of the plays he actually looks like a forward joining the rush. Looks like a better goal scorer then Dach. Seems really dynamic. The video I watched didn't show any defensive highlights though but, ****, put him at wing if he can't play defense. Joking, but barely.

If you've not seen , which was posted on the Hawks board , Dach was feeling low at times this past year and had his mom make 4 hr trips to visit him frequently.

 

[Kingsfan1]

After everything being said and the plan moving forward , also currently having Petersen mounted as the future , and 4-5 other goalies in the pipeline I’d be furious if they picked Knight over forwards in the first 2 rounds. It would be stupid . No goalie in the past idk how long has made an impact in the NHL besides Gibson that was picked in the first 2 rounds . Goalies should always be chosen 3rd round and beyond . It would be a terrible mistake and truly confirm that Blake and Co are in over their heads . Vilardi plus another forward this year would be wasted if we take Knight and set us back further . I say we march to Blake’s house if they take Knight

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

After everything being said and the plan moving forward , also currently having Petersen mounted as the future , and 4-5 other goalies in the pipeline I’d be furious if they picked Knight over forwards in the first 2 rounds. It would be stupid . No goalie in the past idk how long has made an impact in the NHL besides Gibson that was picked in the first 2 rounds . Goalies should always be chosen 3rd round and beyond . It would be a terrible mistake and truly confirm that Blake and Co are in over their heads . Vilardi plus another forward this year would be wasted if we take Knight and set us back further . I say we march to Blake’s house if they take Knight

Carter Hart?

 

[Legionnaire]

Vasilevskiy?

 

[Brodeur]

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I don't like the blanket statement of never taking a goalie in the first round. I agree that I'd avoid using a top 10 pick on a goalie, but #22 is a different story. I know the tendency is to look at past drafts and cherry pick the forwards/defensemen who panned out in that range, but the typical guys who go in the 20-30 range aren't surefire NHL players either. For a good chunk of the 2013 class, this was the first year where they were no longer waiver exempt. Most of the guys taken in the 20-40 range were quietly readily available on waivers this past season.

 

[BigKing]

If you've not seen , which was posted on the Hawks board , Dach was feeling low at times this past year and had his mom make 4 hr trips to visit him frequently.

Jesus Christ.

 

[YP44]

look at the playoff teams and then look at how many teams had goalies that were drafted in round 1 and were still in the organization they were drafted on.

Tampa Bay...that's the list

Point is goalies take a while to develop and are moved a fair bit.

 

[tomd]

You take the BPA on your list when your turn comes up...if that is Knight then you take him.

 

[Steve Zissou]

Colten Teubert is a good example of drafting for your need/desired style of play rather than the best player available.

 

[Brodeur]

look at the playoff teams and then look at how many teams had goalies that were drafted in round 1 and were still in the organization they were drafted on.

Tampa Bay...that's the list

Point is goalies take a while to develop and are moved a fair bit.

I disagree with that line of thinking. That's like saying St. Louis won with three centers that they traded for/signed later, so you shouldn't draft a center since they move around a fair bit.

Took a quick look, and since the lockout there's only been a dozen first round goalies. So it's a pretty small sample size to make judgments on. I suppose I just dislike the thought that there aren't first round forwards/D who end up being disappointments too. Or the lazy analysis along the lines of "Boston wasted a first round pick on Malcom Subban. They could have had (take 20 seconds to scan the next 30 picks, cherry pick the most useful guy and ignore the other replacement level forwards/D)."

 

[YP44]

I disagree with that line of thinking. That's like saying St. Louis won with three centers that they traded for/signed later, so you shouldn't draft a center since they move around a fair bit.

it is not because st. louis is the one team like that. If 15/16 had centers they did not develop or traded for then it would be the same as me pointing out Tampa as the only playoff team to draft and start their own first round pick goalie.

Let me do a list for the 2018 playoffs:

Tampa Bay

So two straight years only one team (the same team) has drafted a goalie in round and still had that goalie as their starter in the playoffs. Pretty risky drafting a goalie in round 1 no matter who it is.

Edit: If you look at 2017 you can add Price and MAF (but I think he split with Murray) however Tampa didn't make so still only 2 of 16

 

[Brodeur]

Pretty risky drafting a goalie in round 1 no matter who it is.

Amended my previous post, there's been 12 first round goalies since the lockout. It's a very small sample size to make any definitive conclusions on. Occasionally you get a standout goalie like a Vasilevskiy.

Again, I think the term "first rounder" gets thrown around a lot with the implication that it's going to be an impact player. "First rounder" sounds sexier than 25th overall pick. The guys taken in the 20-30 range are usually "risky" regardless of position.

 

[BigKing]

It simply comes down to how good that goalie is vs. just taking him in the 1st round because he's the top rated goalie.

DL drafted for need and took Bernier with his first ever pick. Someone might come back at me with stats saying that he played x amount of games which is actually good for a 1st round pick and the Kings don't win in 2012 without his help during the push to the playoffs but, in all honesty, that pick was kind of a bust. The goalie of the future was already in the pipeline and Bernier never lived up to the hype of his first NHL victory.

I feel like goalie is like a QB in a fantasy football draft. You generally don't want to be the first guy to take one and there is a good chance that a guy gets better results from a QB taken five rounds later.

 

[YP44]

Amended my previous post, there's been 12 first round goalies since the lockout. It's a very small sample size to make any definitive conclusions on. Occasionally you get a standout goalie like a Vasilevskiy.

Again, I think the term "first rounder" gets thrown around a lot with the implication that it's going to be an impact player. The guys taken in the 20-30 range are usually "risky" regardless of position.

I get that but thing is there are 13 forward spots and 7 d spots to fill. So even if you miss on a late first they still may break the roster.

 

[Brodeur]

I get that but thing is there are 13 forward spots and 7 d spots to fill. So even if you miss on a late first they still may break the roster.

I guess I don't get the mentality that using a 1st on a replacement level roster filler is that much better than taking a shot at a goalie who doesn't work out. It's fine if you're scared of taking a goalie. It's just lazy analysis to say there was only 1st round goalie still playing for his drafted team in the playoffs. There simply haven't been many first round goalies who are even active at this point.

I get it, you're a fan of a team that won a couple Cups with a later drafted goalie. I'm a fan of a team that won a few Cups with a late first round goalie. I just don't like the blanket statement that you never do it. It really comes down to the specific player. If you're not a fan of Knight and/or really want Philip Tomasino then I won't argue ardently over it.

 

[Brodeur]

It simply comes down to how good that goalie is vs. just taking him in the 1st round because he's the top rated goalie.

DL drafted for need and took Bernier with his first ever pick. Someone might come back at me with stats saying that he played x amount of games which is actually good for a 1st round pick and the Kings don't win in 2012 without his help during the push to the playoffs but, in all honesty, that pick was kind of a bust. The goalie of the future was already in the pipeline and Bernier never lived up to the hype of his first NHL victory.

I feel like goalie is like a QB in a fantasy football draft. You generally don't want to be the first guy to take one and there is a good chance that a guy gets better results from a QB taken five rounds later.

Maybe Bernier didn't live up to expectations, but this is the thing that grinds my gears. Did you look at the other players drafted in the same area? The tendency to look down the draft list and pick out Claude Giroux's name but that's unfair cherry picking. Compare Bernier against guys like Peter Mueller, James Sheppard, Michael Frolik, Bryan Little, Jiri Tlusty, Michael Grabner, or Chris Stewart. Bernier doesn't look so bad compared with those names.