2019 Draft: 1st Pick: Philip Broberg

[780il]

I think it's a good idea...

He gets more minutes, and plays on the smaller ice surface.

 

[snipes]

He'd likely get a lot more ice time and a bigger offensive role playing in the OHL.

I also strongly prefer him to play in the OHL ala Boqvist from last year

Me as well.

25-30 mins/game in all situations. He’d step in as their number 1.

NA ice, gets to work on elements of his game he needs to, closer to the organization, etc.

 

[Cloned]

I know people are going to be mad at me for this comment, but...

When this pick was made, it reminded me of when the Oilers took Steve Kelly because he was so fast.

To be fair, if Steve Kelly was drafted in today's NHL he would probably put up 50 points a year on a second line somewhere.

 

[OilerTitanFan]

I dont get why we have 29 pages of angry fans posting as if the pick came as a surprise. Literally every credible Oilers insider has been posting for days that Broberg is a likely pick.

Oiler scouts has been convinced he's a reasonable pick at 8th, if he's 8th most valuable prospect on your list you pick him at 8th andd be happy.

Broberg was 14-15 consensus. Thats 6-7 spots up. Yes, thats value that could have been squeezed... maybe... its subjective ranking. Caufield was consensus 8ish, does that mean the scouting groups on 7 teams were just plain bad not to select him? Sometimes consensus and teams scouts do not align

If you do a page count again, I think it's less than 29 pages. I spewed about a page worth of comments regarding why this was an awesome pick so maybe 28 pages?

 

[OilerTitanFan]

I thought Zegras would have been the obvious choice.

What a stupid pick.

What a stupid post.

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

maybe Broberg can bunk with papa nurse in Hamilton...

 

[Cloned]

Watching some more games and highlights of Broberg today. Some quick thoughts:

- I think he's a better skater than Nurse
- not nearly as physical as Nurse, but he has better offensive sense with the puck
- puck skills are about the same as Nurse
- defensively ... could use some work there

If it comes together he has Jay Bouwmeester upside IMO, but he's more assertive and dynamic with the puck than Bouwmeester was.

(The reason I'm comparing him to Nurse is because they're picked in a similar range in the draft with similar question marks surrounding their all-around ability and puck skills).

 

[Bryanbryoil]

To be fair, if Steve Kelly was drafted in today's NHL he would probably put up 50 points a year on a second line somewhere.

His hands weren't good enough for that even in today's NHL.

 

[Cloned]

His hands weren't good enough for that even in today's NHL.

His hands were fine; he just had no ability to push through physical contact and get open.

If you want someone who was all speed with no hands, that's Rico Fata.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

His hands were fine; he just had no ability to push through physical contact and get open.

If you want someone who was all speed with no hands, that's Rico Fata.

I watched him live and his hands were crap. All speed and no hands.

 

[Cloned]

I watched him live and his hands were crap. All speed and no hands.

I don't think he was any worse in that aspect than someone like Erik Haula.

 

[guymez]

Not just the OHL. It looks like there was only 1 North American player picked.
Lots of European players.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

What a stupid post.

Ignore it then. Child.

 

[Deplorable Lenny]

Holland will just blame current scouting staff ala Chia and Reinhart

When did Chia do that?

 

[Deplorable Lenny]

I didn't consider Makar a prospect.

Zero regular season games

 

[CycloneSweep]

I'm going to apologize for all the vilitrol I posted about this player the other day. Pretty pathetic. Kids an Oiler and I'm going to express the good points in his game and cheer him on to improve and become the best player we can be. I'll post my thoughts about him in a positive manner with constructive criticism instead of negativity.

- Kids an extremely fast skater. His edgework could use some work but he gets up to speed very quick and puts defenders on their heels

- He has a hard slap and wrist shot. Needs to work on accuracy and release but the power is there

- He uses his speed well to get back defensively

- Plays a very clean game. Reminiscent of Klefbom. Doesn't use his body to hit or get agressive much, rather he uses his stickwork to get there.

- His defensive positioning is...relatively poor however his skating often can cover for it. When playing against adults in Sweden it was more exposed however against his age group the speed more than made up for it

- the knock I've heard most about him is that he doesn't really learn from mistakes too well. Tends to make the same mistakes multiple times and doesn't really correct fast. That said he is relatively new to playing defense and a lot of that could be coaching. I don't know a lot about how coach this year but it's possible that he didn't work with him or give him great direction to improve. Under the right direction I feel like he could correct.

- With him being a center till 4 years ago his offensive instincts are still good and he isn't afraid to join the rush or crash the net which can create chaos for opposing teams as he acts like a 4th forward at times but has the speed to get back defensively.

I believe with good coaching and lots of hard work, if he is able to start to learn from his mistakes and improve his defensive position he could be a very good second pairing defender in the NHL. Development can be wild and all over the place so he could sky rocket that as well. Hell if he has the se jump in ability Samorukov had he could be a #1 for sure from his elite skating alone.

I think he takes 2 more years overseas or Junior here. After that I believe he goes to Bakersfield until he is ready to breakout into the NHL.

 

[Paralyzer008]

I honestly don't expect to see Broberg as an Oiler for 4 years - 2 years of junior or SHL hockey, 1 year of Bakersfield. He's quite raw.

Probably getting cups of coffee in 2021-22 and an Oiler in 2022-23 if not traded by then. This is a long-term project for Holland.

I think Lavoie has a better chance to play games in Edmonton before Broberg.

Connor McDavid will have to be patient.

 

[North]

I'm going to apologize for all the vilitrol I posted about this player the other day. Pretty pathetic. Kids an Oiler and I'm going to express the good points in his game and cheer him on to improve and become the best player we can be. I'll post my thoughts about him in a positive manner with constructive criticism instead of negativity.

- Kids an extremely fast skater. His edgework could use some work but he gets up to speed very quick and puts defenders on their heels

- He has a hard slap and wrist shot. Needs to work on accuracy and release but the power is there

- He uses his speed well to get back defensively

- Plays a very clean game. Reminiscent of Klefbom. Doesn't use his body to hit or get agressive much, rather he uses his stickwork to get there.

- His defensive positioning is...relatively poor however his skating often can cover for it. When playing against adults in Sweden it was more exposed however against his age group the speed more than made up for it

- the knock I've heard most about him is that he doesn't really learn from mistakes too well. Tends to make the same mistakes multiple times and doesn't really correct fast. That said he is relatively new to playing defense and a lot of that could be coaching. I don't know a lot about how coach this year but it's possible that he didn't work with him or give him great direction to improve. Under the right direction I feel like he could correct.

- With him being a center till 4 years ago his offensive instincts are still good and he isn't afraid to join the rush or crash the net which can create chaos for opposing teams as he acts like a 4th forward at times but has the speed to get back defensively.

I believe with good coaching and lots of hard work, if he is able to start to learn from his mistakes and improve his defensive position he could be a very good second pairing defender in the NHL. Development can be wild and all over the place so he could sky rocket that as well. Hell if he has the se jump in ability Samorukov had he could be a #1 for sure from his elite skating alone.

I think he takes 2 more years overseas or Junior here. After that I believe he goes to Bakersfield until he is ready to breakout into the NHL.

I know I gave you a bit of a hard time due to how angry you were but this is a good post.

 

[780il]

There's definitely #1d upside here. It's just gonna take a long time and a lot of development to get him there. This is a long term project for sure.

I don't expect him in the NHL any sooner than 4 years post draft. 1-2 years in OHL/Sweden and another 2 in the AHL.

But if he is developed well and time is taken with him (with Holland at the helm that won't be a concern) he'll be a hell of player and well worth the wait.

 

[OilerTitanFan]

I personally would have preferred Zegras but I’m not against Broberg. With the amount of Defence taken after calmed my nerves a lot about the pick. I also maybe got caught up in the mob mentality about being against the pick but after watching highlights (both good and bad) about him, I’m cool with the pick at number 8. A good Defenseman does have more value then a winger.

I said that all along. Shortsighted fans are the ones crying about this pick. 5 years later, if someone offered one of Dach, Zegras, or Cozens for Broberg, you'll laugh hard. It's the same as us trying to unload RNH for Seth Jones. RNH wouldn't net the likes of Seth Jones or Werenski. Probably have to throw in a 1st or something.

 

[OilerTitanFan]

Watching some more games and highlights of Broberg today. Some quick thoughts:

- I think he's a better skater than Nurse
- not nearly as physical as Nurse, but he has better offensive sense with the puck
- puck skills are about the same as Nurse
- defensively ... could use some work there

If it comes together he has Jay Bouwmeester upside IMO, but he's more assertive and dynamic with the puck than Bouwmeester was.

(The reason I'm comparing him to Nurse is because they're picked in a similar range in the draft with similar question marks surrounding their all-around ability and puck skills).

Whatever you're trying to compare won't work.

This D man went 15th overall
Hockey's Future - Erik Karlsson

Any D man taken in the 1st round has Erik Karlsson upside as far as I'm concerned.

 

[LaGu]

If he goes to play for Hamilton can he still make the jump to AHL already next year? I assume not, that he'll fall under that CHL players age rule.

For that reason I actually prefer him staying in Sweden and play for SAIK. That keeps all options open and it's a really good team.

 

[Cloned]

The good news is that if he doesn't pan out as a defenseman, they could try converting him back to forward.

I'm not even joking.

 

[OilerTitanFan]

I'm a bit curious. Let's said the Red Wings took Broberg instead. Then we grab Moritz Seider with our 8th pick. What would happen here? Do we jump for joy because Seider was "supposed" to go 6th overall? Or do we see a lineup at the cliff where fans are racing to jump off?

I think the bigger question mark is did Yzerman outsmart everyone by picking Seider. If that was who he was targeting, wouldn't it be better for the Wings to trade down to the 15th pick and accumulate more assets?

What if Seider turns into the Draisaitl version on defense? Wouldn't that be something.

 

[780il]

I'm a bit curious. Let's said the Red Wings took Broberg instead. Then we grab Moritz Seider with our 8th pick. What would happen here? Do we jump for joy because Seider was "supposed" to go 6th overall? Or do we see a lineup at the cliff where fans are racing to jump off?

I think the bigger question mark is did Yzerman outsmart everyone by picking Seider. If that was who he was targeting, wouldn't it be better for the Wings to trade down to the 15th pick and accumulate more assets?

If Broberg went 6 then we would've taken Zegras. 100p