2019 Draft: 1st Pick: Philip Broberg

[McShogun99]

This is my takeaway as well

I like Jones and Bouchard, Bear I'm not sold on. I haven't watched enough of Persson or Samorukov to have an opinion on them. By the time Broberg is ready our defence will look completely different with only Klefbom and Nurse on it, possibly Larsson.

 

[edmoil3]

He seems like a young pro already. Trains with Larsson. Comes to Canada to work on skating for 4 weeks every summer. Top Dman in under 18- gold medal. I can’t wait to see this kid at 25.

Good pick.

We can go back to the ference Schultz nikitan days guys.

 

[Ck1]

Imo Broberg was considered the second best d-man in the draft and considered the best skater in this yrs draft. Everyone says they should have taken the bpa and they did take the bpa available as far as d-men go. Remember there all just teenagers yet and none of us know how there going to pan out in the future and if Broberg becomes a top pairing he will be more valuable then a top winger. I have no problem with this draft. Holland can make deals for the wingers we need today in the offseason

 

[LTIR]

That’s a little extreme I don’t think he’s a 5 year project.

The kid has way more holes in his game than Nurse did and isn't used to playing a lot of games per season.
How long did it take Nurse to become a NHL regular? This kid will be bouncing between AHL and NHL for a few yrs. Took Nurse 4 yrs to become NHL regular.

 

[harpoon]

Come on, I’ve worked very hard over the last 17 years to at least be characteristically snarky.

I’ve never had that impression. You always seem very level headed to me.

Yesterday was the sort of day that makes me glad I’m not a ‘prospect guy’. Kind of bewildering seeing the level of freak out that some posters have when defending their pick, or dumping on someone else’s. Lots can change in a year or two with players this young. Holland is paid big money to get it right. So far I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. At least he’s made a better start than Chiarelli.

 

[dustrock]

If you're lucky, he's a better Klefbom. If you're really, really lucky, he's a poor man's Hedman.

We knew it was hard to tell outside of Hughes and Turcotte how much the US team was zooming itself.

We'll be looking at Broberg but also Zegras and Caufield for years to come.

I get the idea of reaching for the rainbow and some people clearly thought Bro was the BPA but Gord almighty we need forwards.

Good luck, Broberg. I hope you dazzle.

 

[nuck]

That’s a little extreme I don’t think he’s a 5 year project.

Klefbom was in the NHL in 3 years and this guy is better than OK at the same age.. I think he will be in the AHL by 20-21 so fighting for a spot on the big club by 21-22. Lots of these Euros are decent AHL players their draft year but it doesn't see to get them to the NHL any quicker.Would love to see him in the OHL next season.

 

[MessierII]

Have we learned nothing?

Someone who skates like that isn’t a 5 year project. 2 years before seeing action is normal.

 

[Smartguy]

This post pretty much nails it on the head. They could have traded down for this player and didn't. More importantly though as you said they didn't draft a forward (BPA) and there were options. They also didn't draft the best defenseman available either.

If this pick is a barometer for future Holland moves (similar to Chia's Reinhart trade foreshadowing his tenure's future transactions) then the prognosis is very meh. Not terrible, but definitely a little questionable with better options available.

You can’t say that the oilers could have moved down, because as you witnessed last night all the defense went higher then ranked by outside sources. So obviously NHL scouts were higher on this D group then others. I also would have preferred Zegras. But as I put in another thread this is no Mcilrath style of reach pick.

The most interesting thing to me I don’t think people are talking about is if you recall when Holland was hired, he stated his time at the World U18s is what made him realize he still had the drive to want to be the the one calling the shots. He then said last night that it was Brobergs play at the U18 that swayed him toward him.
Very well could have been that Det was high on Seider all along and he was trying to argue that pick should be Broberg if they were taking a D, and that’s what landed him in Edmonton. Maybe I’m crazy though

 

[MessierII]

The kid has way more holes in his game than Nurse did and isn't used to playing a lot of games per season.
How long did it take Nurse to become a NHL regular? This kid will be bouncing between AHL and NHL for a few yrs. Took Nurse 4 yrs to become NHL regular.

Not sure I buy that. It’s tougher to get a read on euros.

 

[nuck]

If you're lucky, he's a better Klefbom. If you're really, really lucky, he's a poor man's Hedman.

We knew it was hard to tell outside of Hughes and Turcotte how much the US team was zooming itself.

We'll be looking at Broberg but also Zegras and Caufield for years to come.

I get the idea of reaching for the rainbow and some people clearly thought Bro was the BPA but Gord almighty we need forwards.

Good luck, Broberg. I hope you dazzle.

A lot of clubs will be looking at Caufield.

 

[nabob]

I’ve never had that impression. You always seem very level headed to me.

Yesterday was the sort of day that makes me glad I’m not a ‘prospect guy’. Kind of bewildering seeing the level of freak out that some posters have when defending their pick, or dumping on someone else’s. Lots can change in a year or two with players this young. Holland is paid big money to get it right. So far I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. At least he’s made a better start than Chiarelli.

Been a long time since I have cringed at HF posts as hard as I did yesterday after our pick.

 

[JetsOilersfan]

Mods can nuke or merge this thread with Broberg thread

thread from the prospect board to see how the discussion on him has prgressed over the last year or so

D Philip Broberg - AIK, Allsvenskan (2019, 8th, EDM)

I figure instead of arguing in that thread we have a thread just for the debate over the picks made and whether or not you agree with what the oilers have done with that pick

With Broberg I have made my view clear

I do not hate the pick--but I do not like the pick

Broberg is very young--turns 18 next week and if the oilers are smart they will put him on the same development plan used for Klefbom and many other Swedish D taken over the years

let him spend 2 more years in Europe, 3rd year send him to the farm for the full year and in year 4 he starts getting nhl action---Rushing this guy would be bad. He is a better skater then Klefbom but other than that he is almost a Klefbom clone--he could be good--but he 100% raw talent right now and it will be all about development for him.

my problem with the pick is two fold

in a draft you either draft the Best Player available (BPA) or you draft for organizational needs

Last year we drafted Bouchard and he looks like a stud and our future number 1 D. We still have Klefbom and Larsson who are 25/26 years of age and relatively young for D. Nurse is 23. Jones and Bear are nearly ready for the 5/6 roles on the team. I believe Samorukov will be in Bakersfield this fall. We have several young D running around in other leagues developing. Having Bouchard, Nurse, Klefbom and Larsson all being still rather young--I did not see the need to add another D man at this point in time

we have some depth there

My problem is that we are lacking depth up front

Was Broberg the BPA? Was he drafted for organizational need? for me the answer is no to both

for me there were several players on the board that would have addressed both needs and be ready for the NHL is maybe 2 years

1) Trever Zegras--maybe him going to uni scared off the oilers he a player who can play the wing and center
rankings

Ranked #6 by THE ATHLETIC
Ranked #5 by HOCKEYPROSPECT.COM
Ranked #8 by FUTURE CONSIDERATIONS
Ranked #10 by ISS HOCKEY
Ranked #6 by MCKEEN'S HOCKEY
Ranked #6 by NHL CENTRAL SCOUTING (NA Skaters)
Ranked #14 by ELITEPROSPECTS.COM
Ranked #7 by TSN/McKenzie
Ranked #6 by THE ATHLETIC
Ranked #5 by HOCKEYPROSPECT.COM
Ranked #8 by FUTURE CONSIDERATIONS
Ranked #10 by ISS HOCKEY
Ranked #6 by MCKEEN'S HOCKEY
Ranked #6 by NHL CENTRAL SCOUTING (NA Skaters)
Ranked #14 by ELITEPROSPECTS.COM
Ranked #7 by TSN/McKenzie

2) Vasili Podkolzin maybe in was the Russian thing--we are on a losing streak with Russians and that scared the oilers off

rankings

Ranked #12 by THE ATHLETIC
Ranked #7 by HOCKEYPROSPECT.COM
Ranked #4 by FUTURE CONSIDERATIONS
Ranked #6 by ISS HOCKEY
Ranked #11 by MCKEEN'S HOCKEY
Ranked #2 by NHL CENTRAL SCOUTING (EU Skaters)
Ranked #5 by ELITEPROSPECTS.COM
Ranked #8 by TSN/McKenzie

3) Matthew Boldy-another player going the university route

rankings
Ranked #8 by THE ATHLETIC
Ranked #9 by HOCKEYPROSPECT.COM
Ranked #9 by FUTURE CONSIDERATIONS
Ranked #7 by ISS HOCKEY
Ranked #12 by MCKEEN'S HOCKEY
Ranked #9 by NHL CENTRAL SCOUTING (NA Skaters)
Ranked #11 by ELITEPROSPECTS.COM
Ranked #11 by TSN/McKenzie

4) Cole Caufield this is a guy who other people sold me on--he is also going the uni route--I think he could be the steal of the draft

rankings

Ranked #5 by THE ATHLETIC
Ranked #11 by HOCKEYPROSPECT.COM
Ranked #12 by FUTURE CONSIDERATIONS
Ranked #9 by ISS HOCKEY
Ranked #13 by MCKEEN'S HOCKEY
Ranked #8 by NHL CENTRAL SCOUTING (NA Skaters)
Ranked #9 by ELITEPROSPECTS.COM
Ranked #9 by TSN/McKenzie

5) Peyton Krebs Like with Cole I think he will be one of the steals of the draft--while not flashy-he is good and developing nicely--while he was not the BPA--he would have addressed the organizational needs

rankings

Ranked #14 by THE ATHLETIC
Ranked #6 by HOCKEYPROSPECT.COM
Ranked #6 by FUTURE CONSIDERATIONS
Ranked #8 by ISS HOCKEY
Ranked #8 by MCKEEN'S HOCKEY
Ranked #10 by NHL CENTRAL SCOUTING (NA Skaters)
Ranked #6 by ELITEPROSPECTS.COM
Ranked #10 by TSN/McKenzie

Philip Broberg
rankings

Ranked #9 by THE ATHLETIC
Ranked #21 by HOCKEYPROSPECT.COM
Ranked #17 by FUTURE CONSIDERATIONS
Ranked #16 by ISS HOCKEY
Ranked #9 by MCKEEN'S HOCKEY
Ranked #5 by NHL CENTRAL SCOUTING (EU Skaters)
Ranked #29 by ELITEPROSPECTS.COM
Ranked #15 by TSN/McKenzie

If the oilers wanted him I think they could have done the Arizone/Philly trade and picked up a 2nd rounder--I believe he still would have been there at 14

we have a thread where we can talk about how good we think or hope Broberg will be--this thread is to debate whether or not he was the best player to take and also debate the other picks we make on day 2 when we disagree with whom the oilers take.

Like I said I do not hate this pick--I just do not like it due to who was on the board and the organizational needs.

For me you either draft the BPA or you draft by organisational needs--this pick fails to address either needs

Ok - I like this pick now. Yes - we took the best player available, and yes we took the player for organisational need. I don't come on here as much as I should, but what's the name of this forum? What, exactly, is the draft for? It's for FUTURE - not for NOW. NOW is UFA's and trades (in which sometimes you sell your future's to get).

Holland isn't looking at next year, he's looking at 5 years from now. Which to me, is fantastic! For the draft I mean. That's what you need to do.

This kid we took (and he's a kid) is 6'3" , he weigh's just over 200 lbs' and he's the second best skater in the draft after Jack Hughes. When he plays against 'kids his own age' he DOMINATES. When he plays against MEN who have 10 or 15 years of PRO experience on him, he looks lost. Good, he should. Kenny said it himself - if he had a high IQ at 17, if he could play with the brains of a 30 year old, he would have been a top 3 pick. Heck , he might of been 1st overall.

Yesterday I hated this pick. Today, I love it. This 'kid' will be at least 6'4" when he's here, but most likely he''ll be 6'5" or 6'6", with a long reach/stick (remember the finals this year) and weigh between 220 and 235 lbs and he'll be able to skate and keep up with McDavid. I'd love to revisit this thread in 5 years lol. And the best part, we'll have full control of him. We will be able to trade a Nurse or a Klefbom if they are wanting too much money and get a top notch winger in return.

Oh, as for the other guys - well lets see who we get in the 2nd round on. One thing you need to remember, there are a LOT more wingers out there than Dmen. Lots of star wingers come in the later rounds. Just because we didn't take a winger in the first round doesn't mean we won't in the 2nd and that that player won't develop into a 30/40 goal guy in three years, which by the way none of the players you listed will anyway (what I mean is those guys aren't coming here next season if we had drafted them anyway - in fact most can't even sign here as they are going to Uni - what happens if they decided they'd rather stay in the US and refuse to sign here?).

Nope, I like this pick and you can never have enough defensemen. Last thing we need, is two guys to go down and have to bring in another Brandon Manning or Alex Petrovich. - In fact, I love this pick now.

 

[Bumblebee Man]

He seems like a young pro already. Trains with Larsson. Comes to Canada to work on skating for 4 weeks every summer. Top Dman in under 18- gold medal. I can’t wait to see this kid at 25.

Good pick.

We can go back to the ference Schultz nikitan days guys.

This post speaks volumes as to why he should make the NHL rather seamlessly while that braindead Jesse Puljujärvi struggles

 

[Missing smitty]

Imo Broberg was considered the second best d-man in the draft and considered the best skater in this yrs draft. Everyone says they should have taken the bpa and they did take the bpa available as far as d-men go. Remember there all just teenagers yet and none of us know how there going to pan out in the future and if Broberg becomes a top pairing he will be more valuable then a top winger. I have no problem with this draft. Holland can make deals for the wingers we need today in the offseason

Better watch out, apparently those American kids will all be elite, 1st line players.

 

[ohheyhemsky]

....If Zegras is there, you take Zegras. What a joke.

Broberg was my #2 if Z wasn't there, but he was and this stinks.

With that said, I'm still really stoked on Broberg. He'll develop for the next 2-3 years and we'll have power on the back end. He's an exciting player. Let's see what this turns into.

 

[Louis Cypher]

Well.

I see this whole situation as similarly bad to when Chiarelli came into Edmonton. Chiarelli botched an extremely important pick his first year and now Holland follows suit.

Instead of just taking the BPA or an organizational need the new GM goes daft and makes a stupid move. Leaks his stupidity to boot in an attempt sway fans and media. Pathetically bad.

Maybe behind the scenes this is a pick that the scouts are behind 110% but from the little I've read it sounds like Holland likes the player, seen him good in a tourney, compared him to Nicklas Lidstrom... and pushed everyone else out of the conversation. A message to everyone he is the boss. At the expense of a much needed forward prospect.

Now there is immense pressure on Holland to find forwards. Immense pressure on the prospect to succeed way above his projections. Just a terrible terrible pick. At the worst trade down to 20 or whatever this kid would have actually gone and pick it another asset.

You realize there were 5 defensemen taken after Broberg to pick 20. Zero chance he's available if we traded down.

Theres still preasure to find forwards this year. NOBODY we were drafting is playing this season so your point is meaningless.

I dont mind the pick. Can't have enough defensive prospects. The ones we have are still no where near a #1.

 

[McDNicks17]

Have we learned nothing?

It's very rare for top 10 picks to not be in the NHL two seasons after the draft nowadays.

 

[Missing smitty]

....If Zegras is there, you take Zegras. What a joke.

Broberg was my #2 if Z wasn't there, but he was and this stinks.

With that said, I'm still really stoked on Broberg. He'll develop for the next 2-3 years and we'll have power on the back end. He's an exciting player. Let's see what this turns into.

I don't get the hype over the Zegras kid (or any if these American kids). I'm sure they'll be decent hockey players, but how often were they playing against men? Half of the highlights I've seen, they scored against goalies that looked like they wouldn't be out of place in the 80s.

 

[Rejean31]

Jamie Benn, Nikita Kucherov, Steve Yzerman. All picked outside the first round. Drafts are crap shoots.

Uh, Yzerman was drafted in the 1st round, 4th overall by Detroit.

 

[iCanada]

I know nothing about any of this round of draft prospects or how they compare.... but if you threw in a few hits this kids highlights package makes him look like Bobby Orr. Skates like Karlsson used to before his LBI's, strong hands, lethal stretch pass, seems to find a way to get the puck to the net. He's 6'3 and 203 lbs already (likely means he'll be like 220 when he is 22 or so).

Seems kind of raw, but there seems to be a lot of potential there.

Welcome to Edmonton Broberg, I wish you a ton of success and happiness. And a Stanley cup ring or three.

 

[ohheyhemsky]

Seriously though, how do you pass on Zegras. UGH

 

[McDNicks17]

He seems like a young pro already. Trains with Larsson. Comes to Canada to work on skating for 4 weeks every summer. Top Dman in under 18- gold medal. I can’t wait to see this kid at 25.

Good pick.

We can go back to the ference Schultz nikitan days guys.

I agree with you, but are the Ference/Schultz/Nikitin days better or worse than the Lucic/Rieder/Rattie days? haha

 

[frag2]

Broberg skates well.

That's all I know lol

 

[Missing smitty]

Uh, Yzerman was drafted in the 1st round, 4th overall by Detroit.

Yeah, I know. I was trying to do 5 things at once and my dad and I were talking about him. Posted it then sat there saying to myself "that's not right at all". By then it was too late to edit it, so now I'm just owning it.