Speculation: 2019-2020 Sharks Roster Discussion

[Fistfullofbeer]

Gambrell never really got a shot, and has consistently performed in the AHL. I think he has the skill, but surrounded by dudes who can't finish. He's for sure penciled in somewhere on the roster next year.

Yeah. I know he only got 8 games but he showed nothing during those games that makes me think he is a good 4th liner, let alone a fit on the 3C. He has the skill and talent but he needs to find out ways of producing if he wants PDB to trust him with tougher minutes.

 

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

Yeah. I know he only got 8 games but he showed nothing during those games that makes me think he is a good 4th liner, let alone a fit on the 3C. He has the skill and talent but he needs to find out ways of producing if he wants PDB to trust him with tougher minutes.

I realize it’s just one game, but he showed a lot in game 6. I also thought he looked pretty good for a few of those regular season games that he played in later in the season.

However, expecting him to step in as a #3C is very optimistic. If the organization is planning on leaving the #3C open for Sasha, Suomela, or Gambrell, they need to make sure they bring Donskoi back.

 

[Kcoyote3]

Yeah. I know he only got 8 games but he showed nothing during those games that makes me think he is a good 4th liner, let alone a fit on the 3C. He has the skill and talent but he needs to find out ways of producing if he wants PDB to trust him with tougher minutes.

He'll get there. He went almost PPG in his first year in pro hockey in the AHL, and spent three years in college learning a well-rounded style of hockey. I really think he just needs a more consistent role and linemates that aren't Goodrow, Haley, Karlsson or Radil constantly. I kind of want to see what he can do between a Sorensen and a Ch of some kind.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

I realize it’s just one game, but he showed a lot in game 6. I also thought he looked pretty good for a few of those regular season games that he played in later in the season.

However, expecting him to step in as a #3C is very optimistic. If the organization is planning on leaving the #3C open for Sasha, Suomela, or Gambrell, they need to make sure they bring Donskoi back.

He'll get there. He went almost PPG in his first year in pro hockey in the AHL, and spent three years in college learning a well-rounded style of hockey. I really think he just needs a more consistent role and linemates that aren't Goodrow, Haley, Karlsson or Radil constantly. I kind of want to see what he can do between a Sorensen and a Ch of some kind.

Yep. He was solid in game 6 but I don't want to get my hopes based on that 1 game. The truth is that we have lots of potential future 3C's.

Suomela, Gambrell, Chmeleveski, True.

I just don't think any of them are ready to fit in there this season. Potentially Suomela just because he did well there early last season before tapering off. I personally want the entire bottom-6 to be revamped and from within the organization.

Perron-Chmeleveski-Chekhovich
Gambrell-True-Bergmann

Something like that down the road is what we need. Players who are potential top-6 players to step in and start producing in a bottom-6 role while on their ELC's. That is why I am so excited about the Sharks signing EK65. It gives us a bigger window. If the guys I mentioned above start getting a real chance to produce, we could have a bottom-6 with a few of the players in 2020-21, with most of our top-6 largely intact.

 

[STL Shark]

He'll get there. He went almost PPG in his first year in pro hockey in the AHL, and spent three years in college learning a well-rounded style of hockey. I really think he just needs a more consistent role and linemates that aren't Goodrow, Haley, Karlsson or Radil constantly. I kind of want to see what he can do between a Sorensen and a Ch of some kind.

I also think he could do really well on the wing as well. Not sure he is physically developed enough to handle the rigors of playing Center in the NHL right now. He could be a solid 2 way 3rd line winger though. He has scoring touch as seen in his college stats and Cuda stats. He would be a guy I think PDB would trust alongside Sorensen and Jumbo if he comes back.

 

[Kegsey]

Doug's gotta play some serious moneypuck this offseason but if anyone can make it work it's him. The longer we go without a cup the more aggressive and decisive DW has been. I expect an exciting offseason.

 

[STL Shark]

Yep. He was solid in game 6 but I don't want to get my hopes based on that 1 game. The truth is that we have lots of potential future 3C's.

Suomela, Gambrell, Chmeleveski, True.

I just don't think any of them are ready to fit in there this season. Potentially Suomela just because he did well there early last season before tapering off. I personally want the entire bottom-6 to be revamped and from within the organization.

Perron-Chmeleveski-Chekhovich
Gambrell-True-Bergmann

Something like that down the road is what we need. Players who are potential top-6 players to step in and start producing in a bottom-6 role while on their ELC's. That is why I am so excited about the Sharks signing EK65. It gives us a bigger window. If the guys I mentioned above start getting a real chance to produce, we could have a bottom-6 with a few of the players in 2020-21, with most of our top-6 largely intact.

You can maybe get 1 or 2 of those guys filled into certain spots/situations in the upcoming season but no one realistically is going to ice 2 full lines of young guys with no veterans or actual experience at all, especially not this coaching staff (and I don't blame them in this extreme case).

Best case scenario is probably half of those guys are actual multi-year/non-fringe NHL players. Thinking we have 6 or more non-injury replacement only NHL forwards that are all as good or better than what we currently are icing that are not currently on the roster is incredibly ambitious.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

You can maybe get 1 or 2 of those guys filled into certain spots/situations in the upcoming season but no one realistically is going to ice 2 full lines of young guys with no veterans or actual experience at all, especially not this coaching staff (and I don't blame them in this extreme case).

Best case scenario is probably half of those guys are actual multi-year/non-fringe NHL players. Thinking we have 6 or more non-injury replacement only NHL forwards that are all as good or better than what we currently are icing that are not currently on the roster is incredibly ambitious.

Oh absolutely. That is why I was a little frustrated last year that Perron and True got no NHL games. Giving them some games should have given us some idea of their readiness. No team is going to ice a bottom-6 of rookies and sophomores unless they are looking to tank.

 

[Kcoyote3]

Man it's criminal how little Pavelski has been paid over his career.

2008-2010, 1.637 million AAV, he scores at a pace of 61 points/82 games
2010-2014, 4 million AAV, he scores at a pace of 68 points/82 games
2014-2019, 6 million AAV, he scores at a pace of 70 points/82 games

Dude has never been above 6 million AAV, and he's been a 60+ point scorer by pace since 2008, plus he's been our best goalscorer since 2011.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

Man it's criminal how little Pavelski has been paid over his career.

2008-2010, 1.637 million AAV, he scores at a pace of 61 points/82 games
2010-2014, 4 million AAV, he scores at a pace of 68 points/82 games
2014-2019, 6 million AAV, he scores at a pace of 70 points/82 games

Dude has never been above 6 million AAV, and he's been a 60+ point scorer by pace since 2008, plus he's been our best goalscorer since 2011.

Yah. For a goal scorer of his level, 6M being his best AAV seems unfair. Given his age, this is his last shot at getting a salary bump. I am just hoping that bump does not come from us.

 

[Patty Ice]

Gambrell was my other guess but dude barely performed as a 4th liner this year. That would be a massive leap of faith to think he can be an NHL calibre player on the 3rd line.

This goes with my line of thinking that you start Thornton as the 3c for a quarter of the season while Gambrell either plays his wing or as 4c. Gambrell should progress to take over the 3c spot after the quarter mark and drop Thornton down to 4c to save him for the playoffs.

 

[Patty Ice]

Pretty sure Dell is going to go with one of Braun or Dillon for a mid-round draft pick. I can't see anyone picking him up off waivers or taking him straight up.

Maybe Philly.

 

[Pavelski2112]

Maybe Philly.

They always need more goalies to go through the meat grinder.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Maybe Philly.

I'd expect Philly to go pretty hard after Varlamov and Lehner. Someone who can handle at least a platoon's load with Carter Hart but not someone they have to invest a lot of term into.

 

[Patty Ice]

I'd expect Philly to go pretty hard after Varlamov and Lehner. Someone who can handle at least a platoon's load with Carter Hart but not someone they have to invest a lot of term into.

Totally feasible but I see them as not wanting to shake his confidence by bringing in a guy viewed strictly as backup talent. With Philly's history of with goalies as of late, you want to handle said confidence like a Faberge egg.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Totally feasible but I see them as not wanting to shake his confidence by bringing in a guy viewed strictly as backup talent. With Philly's history of with goalies as of late, you want to handle said confidence like a Faberge egg.

Yeah but as a 20 year old, if you give him the starting job and he struggles, you want a guy to take the pressure off him for a while so he can figure it out. But I agree that is also a strong possibility.

 

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

You guys remember the report from Elliotte Friedman that the Sharks would have interest in Alexander Edler? I always thought it was "if Karlsson walks", but re-reading the actual quote, that is not the case.



The actual quote was "if they lose some of their D." And this was Friedman saying that he had heard San Jose; not that he thought San Jose. This was a report, and not speculation. Given San Jose's proximity to Vancouver, our status as contenders, and the high number of Swedish players on our team, I think there's a pretty good chance that Edler would take a discount to sign here.

Yay or nay to Edler at $5M/3Y with an NMC that requires he be protected for the expansion draft? If yay, what about 4 years?

 

[KirbyDots]

You guys remember the report from Elliotte Friedman that the Sharks would have interest in Alexander Edler? I always thought it was "if Karlsson walks", but re-reading the actual quote, that is not the case.



The actual quote was "if they lose some of their D." And this was Friedman saying that he had heard San Jose; not that he thought San Jose. This was a report, and not speculation. Given San Jose's proximity to Vancouver, our status as contenders, and the high number of Swedish players on our team, I think there's a pretty good chance that Edler would take a discount to sign here.

Yay or nay to Edler at $5M/3Y with an NMC that requires he be protected for the expansion draft? If yay, what about 4 years?

If we can part with both Dillon and Braun and still sign Pavs I'd be for it. Our d would hands down be best in the league. We'd also have to ditch, Melker and Dell.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

You guys remember the report from Elliotte Friedman that the Sharks would have interest in Alexander Edler? I always thought it was "if Karlsson walks", but re-reading the actual quote, that is not the case.



The actual quote was "if they lose some of their D." And this was Friedman saying that he had heard San Jose; not that he thought San Jose. This was a report, and not speculation. Given San Jose's proximity to Vancouver, our status as contenders, and the high number of Swedish players on our team, I think there's a pretty good chance that Edler would take a discount to sign here.

Yay or nay to Edler at $5M/3Y with an NMC that requires he be protected for the expansion draft? If yay, what about 4 years?

I was ok with Edler before the EK65 re-signing with my main concern with him being injuries. He struggles to play 80 games a season. Another concern now is cap space too. For term, I am fine with 3 years but 4 seems a little too much.

The expansion draft protection is actually not that bad. We will need to go 4 F and 4D which means one of Couture, Kane, Labanc, Meier, Hertl needs to be exposed. Most likely Kane, but it can be done.

Overall, I think the money spend on Edler is probably better spent on acquiring a top-6 F.

 

[Gilligans Island]

You guys remember the report from Elliotte Friedman that the Sharks would have interest in Alexander Edler? I always thought it was "if Karlsson walks", but re-reading the actual quote, that is not the case.



The actual quote was "if they lose some of their D." And this was Friedman saying that he had heard San Jose; not that he thought San Jose. This was a report, and not speculation. Given San Jose's proximity to Vancouver, our status as contenders, and the high number of Swedish players on our team, I think there's a pretty good chance that Edler would take a discount to sign here.

Yay or nay to Edler at $5M/3Y with an NMC that requires he be protected for the expansion draft? If yay, what about 4 years?

Are you suggesting $5m AAV? With what cap space?

 

[hockeyball]

You guys remember the report from Elliotte Friedman that the Sharks would have interest in Alexander Edler? I always thought it was "if Karlsson walks", but re-reading the actual quote, that is not the case.



The actual quote was "if they lose some of their D." And this was Friedman saying that he had heard San Jose; not that he thought San Jose. This was a report, and not speculation. Given San Jose's proximity to Vancouver, our status as contenders, and the high number of Swedish players on our team, I think there's a pretty good chance that Edler would take a discount to sign here.

Yay or nay to Edler at $5M/3Y with an NMC that requires he be protected for the expansion draft? If yay, what about 4 years?

Nay. We cannot spend anymore on our D then we already are, we have the best top-4 d-men in hockey easily, I'm not even sure I'd replace Simek with him since he and Burns had such great chemistry and Simek was such a rock solid player night in and night out. If there was no salary cap, sure, i guess.

 

[Sysreq]

If the 11 million dollar man wants Edler, or a Swede or even an 18 year old girl, then that is what you get him. At that contract we are building around him, not fitting him into the line-up next to whomever we have.

 

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

Are you suggesting $5m AAV? With what cap space?

This scenario assumes that Dillon and Braun are both gone.

 

[Gilligans Island]

This scenario assumes that Dillon and Braun are both gone.

I figured but even still, better to put that cap space to top 9 fwds

 

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

I figured but even still, better to put that cap space to top 9 fwds

You can comfortably fit Nyquist and Edler at $5M on a 22-man roster with $1.5M left in cap space.