Can you share that? I don't see how that is possible - even if you trade Dillon, Braun, Melker and Dell and replace them w/ min salaries.
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Can you share that? I don't see how that is possible - even if you trade Dillon, Braun, Melker and Dell and replace them w/ min salaries.
Fistfullofbeer
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You can comfortably fit Nyquist and Edler at $5M on a 22-man roster with $1.5M left in cap space.
I am not opposed to this lineup though my numbers would put us slightly over the cap.
Jumbo: 2M (Just don't see him going down to 2M)
Heed: 1.5M
Gambrell: 925K (same salary as this season)
Suomela: 925K (same salary as this season)
That will put us close to 300K over the cap. I do think that Nyquist goes for a bigger payday though or want an NMC. Either of which we cannot do.
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You can comfortably fit Nyquist and Edler at $5M on a 22-man roster with $1.5M left in cap space.
Or you could keep Joe Pavelski, easy pass. If you guys think we are not going to be hurting next year by losing our 38 goal scoring captain, slow or not, I've got a bridge to sell you. The only player son this team who could match that kind of production are Evander Kane (who has never done it, and was abysmal last playoffs) and Meier (who is still very young). Even if either of them managed to do it, that's still a huge loss in total goals since they both scored 30 goals last season. You need to make up for 38 less goals, even if Kane and Meier both scored 40, you are still 18 goals short, I'm not convinced LaBanc is going to make that up for us...
I think we should start getting used to accepting the Sharks are going to re-sign Pavelski, no matter what it costs. Imagine if Pavelski went to somewhere like Vegas, jeezus that's terrifying. He'll be re-signed, to do anything else would be season suicide.
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I posted an image from CapFriendly, but I guess it didn't work. This assumes a $3M ceiling.
Meier ($4M) - Couture ($8M) - Nyquist ($5M)
Kane ($7M) - Hertl ($5.625M) - Labanc ($3M)
Sorensen ($1.5M) - Thornton ($1M) - Gambrell ($800K)
Radil ($700K) - True ($763K) - Goodrow ($925K)
Suomela ($800K)
Edler ($5M) - Karlsson ($11.5M)
Simek ($675K) - Burns ($8M)
Vlasic ($7M) - Heed ($1M)
Middleton ($735K)
Jones ($5.75M)
Bibeau ($675K)
Cap Hit: $81.525M
Cap Space: $1.47M
With $1.47M in cap space, you leave yourself some flexibility to make an upgrade at the trade deadline. That 3rd line would probably need one.
Fistfullofbeer
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If it happens, it happens. Doesn't mean I have to like it.
Also, Vegas has its own cap issues to worry about which are worse that ours. He is not going there.
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You can comfortably fit Nyquist and Edler at $5M on a 22-man roster with $1.5M left in cap space.
I did one which was about the same except Pavs a 6m instead of Nyquist, Gamby as 4c, Chekovich in the top 9, True as 13th forward. I don't think the org trusts Suomel but we'll have to see how camp goes.
Edler is possible, but it becomes a debate as to where the team's priorities should be. Do we upgrade the top 6 or the d? Do we get a vet or go with prospects.
Meier ($4M) - Couture ($8M) - Pavelski ($6M)
Kane ($7M) - Hertl ($5.625M) - Chekhovich ($776K)
Sorensen ($1.5M) - Thornton ($1M) -Labanc ($3M)
Radil ($700K) - Gambrell ($800K) - Goodrow ($925K)
True ($763K)
Edler ($5M) - Karlsson ($11.5M)
Vlasic ($7M) - Burns ($8M)
Simek ($675K) - Heed ($1M)
Middleton ($735K)
Jones ($5.75M)
Bibeau ($675K)
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Thanks. Understand how you arrived at that now.
However, if the cap comes in closer to $82M, this won't work - and that's what I've been using in my rosters. Also, I think Labanc and Meier will come in at $500K and $750K higher, respectively. I did have Jumbo at $1.5M so $1M would be awesome. Doubt Heed would come in at $1M, though, if he comes back.
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This looks more likely to me, but I still don't think we go after Edler, that is just too much salary commitment to D for too long. We would have no flexibility for years.
Though I could see two scenario's where it makes sense:
1) Vlasic want's out and waives his clause. If he feels marginalized or whatever, and want's to be 'the man' on a team again, getting Edler makes a lot of sense and saves money.
2) It was part of Karlssons agreement, but I see that as super unlikely. Are they even that good of friends? Seems more likely he'd want Nyquist here then Edler, since we know they are good friends.
So, yah, if Vlasic bails, go for it, would save us around $2m which we could really use. Though, keep in mind how big a difference having Vlasic on the team made vs not. The Sharks rely HEAVILY on Vlasic.
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Pavelski scored 38 goals this year, but let’s add some context to it. He shot at 20.2%. If he shot at his career shooting percentage, he would’ve scored 24 goals. You can say that other guys on our roster aren’t going to replace that goal production, but Pavelski’s not going to replicate it either.
Why should we start to accept Pavelski being re-signed, no matter the cost? If that were the case, we probably would’ve heard more by now. The organization hasn’t made him a priority and if they do sign him, it’ll be at a discounted rate below what he gets offered in UFA.
Saying that losing Pavelski would be “season suicide” is just massive hyperbole. No, it wouldn’t at all. If losing 35 year old Pavelski would kill the season, then the team isn’t close to a championship as it is because Pavelski at this stage of his career isn’t good enough to be the difference between a contender and a team who punts their season.
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Another thought is if the Sharks are super pissed at Evander Kane for his performance (if he was in fact healthy) and they can find a taker for his deal, they could eject him. That pretty much solves all our cap problems.
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Pavelski has scored between 37 and 41 goals 4 times, so yah, he absolutely could. His shooting percentage is thrown out of whack my his tipping I believe as well (I think he often doesn't take a missed shot penalty when a tip misses).
Also, he's our captain, and I don't think there is much argument that he's not one of the best captains in the league (there's a reason he was chosen for team USA as well).
We would lose our best goal scorer, our captain, and the best puck tipper in the league.
Yah, that would be tough to replace, certainly not going to happen replacing him with Edler...
Patty Ice
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Here's a destined-to-be-unpopular-lose-any-credibility idea, Dion Phaneuf on a one year league minimum.
Pavelski2112
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Here's a destined-to-be-unpopular-lose-any-credibility idea, Dion Phaneuf on a one year league minimum.
...but why?
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Here's a destined-to-be-unpopular-lose-any-credibility idea, Dion Phaneuf on a one year league minimum.
I just want to comment that I like the idea that the wood planks would break before the nails or his forearms would give way. Buff Jesus magic.
Patty Ice
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Price tag and I want to hear more hate from the main board.
Also, Karlsson considers him a good friend.
"For now"
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JoeThorntonsRooster
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This is compared to his career shooting percentage. Whatever factors throw it out of whack this year have thrown it out of whack over the course of his entire career and they suggest he is a strong candidate for regression. He has not consistently maintained 20.2% shooting or anywhere near that over the course of his career. He shot at 9.8% last year and 12.4% the year before that.
His leadership is valuable but not enough so to make a long-term financial commitment to him and keep him in a top line role that he doesn't work in anymore.
You're not replacing him with Edler. You're replacing him with Nyquist or another top line winger who can handle top competition without bleeding goals against and then you're using the remaining cap space to sign a proven top-4 D like Edler.
Even if he was healthy, it's going to be hard for me to believe that they'd be mad at him given what he went through not long before the playoffs started. They're not going to treat Kane like that just after everything he went through and all the things we credit the organization for when it comes to the Karlsson situation. They'll give him another year and re-evaluate Kane then. I tend to agree that Pavelski is likely to re-sign even with the rumblings we've heard on these boards. I think people are exaggerating the cap problems. The team has prospects that will get a shot at filling in and if they fail, they can rent someone with their 2nd round pick next year.
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Don’t say eye test when you mean points
Dion Phaneuf is cooked. He's not an NHL player. And if we were looking to sign a veteran bottom pairing/#7 guy for league minimum, we would be best served to target an RHD. We've already got Simek/Ferraro/Ryan/Middleton on the left.
If I had to guess, that means it's up to Pavelski to determine whether he wants to be paid or will take a discount to stay here.
I would say Doug has a full roadmap for how his offseason is gonna go and he's just waiting for a few things to fall in line before he makes his moves. Signing EK was #1 priority and he did it 14 days before his set deadline.
I could totally see the Sharks talking to Phaneuf if they move Dillon and Braun.
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