I don't see why Vancouver would trade Boeser for Clague and a 2nd/3rd rounder. Seems ridiculous.
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Ziggy Stardust
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It'll likely cost more but the Eriksson part is what is going to stick them, if he's included. It cost the Leafs a 1st round pick to get rid of Marleau with one year remaining on his deal. Two more years of Eriksson will be costly, especially given the predicament Vancouver finds itself in.
It'll likely cost a lot more, lol. Which is why it doesn't make sense to do it.
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I'd easily take Ericsson for a shot at Boeser. I'm not giving anything of value to Vancouver if Ericsson were involved, but I'll take the cap problem to see how Boeser works here. To me that's an easy trade if it could be done. Ericsson is finished at the same time as Brown and Carter. It doesn't block anything. I don't care about Boeser's downside.
I could actually see a deal like Iafallo+Clague caliber prospect+ a 2nd for Boeser+ Erickson. being reasonable for the Canucks. They would downgrade at W but save 9.45 Mil in cap space. That's the type of deal I would do.
Edmundson is a bottom pairing guy with frequent brain farts. If the Kings can't find a legit top 4 guy to play with DD then they might as well
bring back Hutton.
AEG is absolutely hurting. I can completely see the team having an internal cap for the next couple years. But spending to the cap is not needed right now.
I'd rather the kings save the cash and spend more later when the kings are tying to compete.
Regarding Boeser, I would lean towards no. I would think twice about helping a rival with their cap issues. Plus judging by what one poster pointed out, Boeser had an insane offensive zone start % so his numbers are going to dive on the kings. And I'd rather see what we've got with our prospects.
Plus trading for him would require we protect him in the expansion draft.
I'd rather the kings save the cash and spend more later when the kings are tying to compete.
Regarding Boeser, I would lean towards no. I would think twice about helping a rival with their cap issues. Plus judging by what one poster pointed out, Boeser had an insane offensive zone start % so his numbers are going to dive on the kings. And I'd rather see what we've got with our prospects.
Plus trading for him would require we protect him in the expansion draft.
Ziggy Stardust
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I think he’s a bit better than that, gets around 18-19 mins, he earned the 4th highest ice time among dmen on the Cup winning Blues team. He’s not in the same vein as Jaccob Slavin, but he’s an upgrade over most of the defensive partners Doughty has had for the last few seasons.
Upgrade? That remains to be seen. The board could certainly use a new whipping boy.
EbonyRaptor
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I'm curious what Kings fans are thinking regarding the path the Kings should take - take the short term approach to try to win another Cup when Kopitar and Doughty are still playing at an elite level or a more long term plan to build for the future?
As a Hawks fan, my team is essentially in the same boat with Kane and Toews still playing at an elite level but the team nowhere good enough to have a legitimate chance to win the Cup. Hawks management has been straddling the fence for a couple years now - unwilling to commit 100% to one path or the other and my fear is that is the recipe to more years of wandering in the wilderness.
What say you?
As a Hawks fan, my team is essentially in the same boat with Kane and Toews still playing at an elite level but the team nowhere good enough to have a legitimate chance to win the Cup. Hawks management has been straddling the fence for a couple years now - unwilling to commit 100% to one path or the other and my fear is that is the recipe to more years of wandering in the wilderness.
What say you?
cyclones22
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Stay the course with the rebuild and hope that by the time the young talent is good enough that your core Cup winners are still capable of being impact players and can teach the kids how to win. The Kings already tried to extend the window for more Cups by trading assets and draft choices and it was a swing and a miss. Too many missing pieces of the puzzle to go for the quick fix.
EbonyRaptor
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Patience is not a virtue most fans have, including me.
A case in point is the fortunate move up the draft board last year to the #3 overall pick. The Hawks took Kirby Dach, who is a very nice player with a bright future, but they could have traded the pick for a player more ready to contribute in the playoffs. Obviously the salary cap plays a pivotal role and a player acquired with the 3rd pick would have an impact on the cap moreso than Dach's ELC, but at the time the decision was made to draft Dach, they didn't know if he would be ready to play in the NHL or if he needed more time in JR's/AHL.
The point is Hawks management seems indecisive - not wanting to alienate the fan base by doing the "unthinkable" of trading Toews and/or Kane for an all-in rebuild, but at the same time not going all-in on a win now plan by leveraging their young players to acquire more playoff ready players. It seems to me to be a "non-strategy" strategy with too much dependence on getting lucky.
Raccoon Jesus
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Patience is not a virtue most fans have, including me.
A case in point is the fortunate move up the draft board last year to the #3 overall pick. The Hawks took Kirby Dach, who is a very nice player with a bright future, but they could have traded the pick for a player more ready to contribute in the playoffs. Obviously the salary cap plays a pivotal role and a player acquired with the 3rd pick would have an impact on the cap moreso than Dach's ELC, but at the time the decision was made to draft Dach, they didn't know if he would be ready to play in the NHL or if he needed more time in JR's/AHL.
The point is Hawks management seems indecisive - not wanting to alienate the fan base by doing the "unthinkable" of trading Toews and/or Kane for an all-in rebuild, but at the same time not going all-in on a win now plan by leveraging their young players to acquire more playoff ready players. It seems to me to be a "non-strategy" strategy with too much dependence on getting lucky.
Kind of the same for us, then. Kings have demonstrated that they're amassing youth and aren't trading Doughty or Kopitar. I think we had the same conversations up to maybe a year and a half ago--it's a half measure, does management think we're competitive, or are we tanking?--but it became pretty clear that the only real strategy was to restock the cupboard and as evidenced by the trades of guys like Toffoli and Muzzin anything not nailed down was on its way out. It looks like the organization is comfortable riding Kopitar and Drew until they turn into statues but everything else is malleable.
Indeed, and that's why the Kings should go hard after Dillon. You aren't going to win anything with a D full of puck moving "rookies". Bringing in Dillon would also make KM expendable
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Raccoon Jesus
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You mean me. Dillon is a legit top 4 guy who hasn't even turned 30 yet. He should be a relatively cheap and big upgrade over what the Kings have now. Since when do defensemen fall apart at 31?
I really think the Kings should look into bringing Hutton back. His underlying numbers were absolutely fantastic last season. Among regular defensemen he had the second best SCF%, the best HDCF%, and the 2nd best CF%. He did all of this while being given the least optimal zone starts, he had the lowest O zone faceoff% on the team.
For reference, among regular defensemen on Carolina Edmundson has the worst SCF%, the worst HDCF%, and the worst CF%. He did receive the least optimal zone starts on Carolina like Hutton did.
For reference, among regular defensemen on Carolina Edmundson has the worst SCF%, the worst HDCF%, and the worst CF%. He did receive the least optimal zone starts on Carolina like Hutton did.
KINGS17
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Muzzin was no slouch when it came to physical play as well. The Doughty / Muzzin combination may have been the Kings best pairing over the last twenty years.
KINGS17
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Same thing happened in LA when it came to moving out Carter when he still had value. Of course, Doughty and Kopitar are sacred cows, but some of us like steak and hamburgers.Patience is not a virtue most fans have, including me.
A case in point is the fortunate move up the draft board last year to the #3 overall pick. The Hawks took Kirby Dach, who is a very nice player with a bright future, but they could have traded the pick for a player more ready to contribute in the playoffs. Obviously the salary cap plays a pivotal role and a player acquired with the 3rd pick would have an impact on the cap moreso than Dach's ELC, but at the time the decision was made to draft Dach, they didn't know if he would be ready to play in the NHL or if he needed more time in JR's/AHL.
The point is Hawks management seems indecisive - not wanting to alienate the fan base by doing the "unthinkable" of trading Toews and/or Kane for an all-in rebuild, but at the same time not going all-in on a win now plan by leveraging their young players to acquire more playoff ready players. It seems to me to be a "non-strategy" strategy with too much dependence on getting lucky.
Which Muzzin was that? The one in game thread after game thread where this board wanted him gone for a bag of pucks?
KINGS17
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I never called the guy "muffin". I thought Jake was a legit #2 for the Kings. Sure he had some brain cramps from time to time, but the combination of his size, physical play, and offense from the back end more than made up for his mistakes in my eyes.
Raccoon Jesus
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Not you, it's been mentioned before. He's a legit top-4 guy but he's no more a surefire top pairing guy than pretty much any other dude that's played with Doughty. He's probably a better option than other 'free' stuff out there, but not by as much as is suggested. He'd be a pinata in short order just like the others.
It's not a bad idea for a couple of non-competitive years anyway though, I'm just suggesting he's not at all a 'solution' either, he'd just be another in the line of dudes who ideally aren't playing with Doughty with Forbort and McNabb.
MxH0CKEY
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Who is Phil Kessel? The one who silenced the Toronto haters when he won the cup?
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