Speculation: 2019-20 News/Rumors,Roster thread Post Deadline

[Raccoon Jesus]

No one does, if they earn it they earn it.

I hope you are right about Carter, vets are important, but he seems nearing an end to me.

The article itself says the Kings are loaded on guys coming in that they may not need to consider outside help.

There is a balance between underripe and over-stagnate.

I'm with you but I really can't think of anyone who would fit into the last category right now

 

[LAKings88]

I'm with you but I really can't think of anyone who would fit into the last category right now

Clague and JAD come to mind. Grundstrom is probably right there. Grundstrom I would like to see take a spot and not take his foot of the gas.

 

[cyclones22]

I believe Grundstrom is out of options so use him or lose him like Hickey.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I believe Grundstrom is out of options so use him or lose him like Hickey.

He’s still waiver exempt, though I do hope he makes the jump next season. He still needs to play better than he did last season though, he seemed to be missing that same intensity we saw from him the first time he was brought up.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Clague and JAD come to mind. Grundstrom is probably right there. Grundstrom I would like to see take a spot and not take his foot of the gas.

Clague for sure--though let's not forget his injury. And right now our left side is relatively empty.

JAD is only 20 and a 2nd year pro, he SHOULD push for a spot, but it's not the end of the world if he doesn't lock it down until the following year.

Grundstrom is a good one I relatively forgot about, this is probably his make or break year here.


I guess just looking at the roster at the end of this year--

Iafallo-Kopitar-Brown
X-Vilardi-X
X-Kempe-X
Lizotte-Moore-Wagner

Fill in the blanks with any number of Prokhorkin, Amadio, Carter, Frk, JAD, Grundstrom, and whoever else pops up.

X-Doughty
X-Walker
X-Roy

Where X is any number of the rumored Nikita Nesterov, another UFA, Bjornfot, Clague, Anderson, etc.

I did this quickly so I'm sure I overlooked something/someone, feel free to correct me to shut me up, but that looks like easily 4-6 total rookies counting healthy scratches...so I'm counting on Clague and Grundstrom for sure but also some camp surprises (Fagemo, for example?).

 

[BigKing]

Clague for sure--though let's not forget his injury. And right now our left side is relatively empty.

JAD is only 20 and a 2nd year pro, he SHOULD push for a spot, but it's not the end of the world if he doesn't lock it down until the following year.

Grundstrom is a good one I relatively forgot about, this is probably his make or break year here.


I guess just looking at the roster at the end of this year--

Iafallo-Kopitar-Brown
X-Vilardi-X
X-Kempe-X
Lizotte-Moore-Wagner

Fill in the blanks with any number of Prokhorkin, Amadio, Carter, Frk, JAD, Grundstrom, and whoever else pops up.

X-Doughty
X-Walker
X-Roy

Where X is any number of the rumored Nikita Nesterov, another UFA, Bjornfot, Clague, Anderson, etc.

I did this quickly so I'm sure I overlooked something/someone, feel free to correct me to shut me up, but that looks like easily 4-6 total rookies counting healthy scratches...so I'm counting on Clague and Grundstrom for sure but also some camp surprises (Fagemo, for example?).

Big f***ing Mac

 

[Reaper45]

I fully expect...

Iafallo-Kopitar-Brown
Grundstrom-Vilardi-Frk
Lewis-Kempe-Carter
Lizotte-Moore-Wagner
Amadio

Maybe Prokhorkin over Lewis but I doubt it.

Bjornfot-Doughty
Anderson-Walker
Clague-Roy
MacDermid

UFA takes Bjornfots place if they can actually get someone decent.

 

[Statto]

Iafallo-Kopitar-Brown
X-Vilardi-X
X-Kempe-X
Lizotte-Moore-Wagner

Fill in the blanks with any number of Prokhorkin, Amadio, Carter, Frk, JAD, Grundstrom, and whoever else pops up.

X-Doughty
X-Walker
X-Roy

For the forwards I’m thinking more like this (ignoring this years draft):

Iafallo-Kopitar-Brown
Kempe-Vilardi-Frk
LW3-Turcotte-Carter
Lw4-C4-Rw4

The Vilardi line seemed to have some chemistry so I think they will get a chance to build on that. Turcotte I’m sure will start being expected to play and I think that may be alongside Carter to begin win. If Kaliyev earns a spot in camp Frk becomes the odd one out as I don’t see us dressing two players that are not great defensively.

Moore, JAD, Grundström, Lizotte, Wagner and Prokhorkin are IMO battling over 4 spots and that may well be 3 spots depending on who we draft.

I agree that on D our right side looks good and then on the left Anderson, Clague and Björnfot are going to play with Big Mac maybe subbing in for one of them now and then. They will split 160 odd games between them until 2 of them earn a more regular spot. We will then pick up a UFA for a more experienced head expected to play 82 games. Again, much depends on who we draft with our first pick this year as that could change plenty. If we pick a defenceman then Clague will get moved at some point, although I personally think that’s inevitable anyway.

There are so many possibilities though. It’s looking exciting and you’ve got to think that trades will be getting made as players emerge and start earning jobs. This is just my current thinking on how camp plays out... it will certainly change.

 

[Herby]

It would be a disappointing sign in his development if JAD is not an NHL regular next season. Especially based on where he was two years ago when he made team out of camp as a 19 year old.

This should be year before establishes himself as solid 3rd liner and then in the couple of seasons to follow he becomes one of those really excellent 3rd line players that championship teams need.

 

[KINGS17]

It would be a disappointing sign in his development if JAD is not an NHL regular next season. Especially based on where he was two years ago when he made team out of camp as a 19 year old.

This should be year before establishes himself as solid 3rd liner and then in the couple of seasons to follow he becomes one of those really excellent 3rd line players that championship teams need.

Let's hope so. Amadio is the guy running out of time. If he doesn't start showing some major improvement, he won't last much longer with the Kings. There will be guys nipping at his heels soon.

 

[kilowatt]

Let's hope so. Amadio is the guy running out of time. If he doesn't start showing some major improvement, he won't last much longer with the Kings. There will be guys nipping at his heels soon.

He’s got some sneaky puck retrieval skills, and I was hoping he would evolve into Mike Richards Lite, but he hasn’t shown an ounce of tenacity. He was the softest player on the team last season. I wouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t make the team out of camp.

 

[funky]

Hoping next year we start with

Iafallo. - Kopitar - Brown/Kaliyev
Kempe - Vilardi - Frk
Grundstrom- Turcotte/Amadio - Carter
Mitchell - Anderson-Dolan - Wagner
Lizotte - Porky

Bjornfot - Doughty
Edmundson - Walker
Anderson- Roy
MacDermid

Quick - Pederson

-I pay up or overpay for Edmundson- checks every box

-Both Kaliyev and Turcotte get a 9 game trial. I don’t think either one sticks but I think it’s worth giving them a bit of a shot if they have strong camps. If the season starts late Kaliyev can go straight to the WJC.

- Fagemo is my wildcard. That guy would add a lot of pop in the bottom six.

- I do not bring Lewis back. He is a great guy and a hard worker but it’s time to start injecting the kids into our lineup. We have enough veterans in the top six that should be in the bottom six. I think there will be a lot of veterans that have trouble finding a home next year, with the cap crunch and everything else we may be able to fill holes a month or two in with guys still looking for work.

 

[regulate]

It would be a disappointing sign in his development if JAD is not an NHL regular next season. Especially based on where he was two years ago when he made team out of camp as a 19 year old.

This should be year before establishes himself as solid 3rd liner and then in the couple of seasons to follow he becomes one of those really excellent 3rd line players that championship teams need.

I'm gonna disagree with you here a bit as far as disappointing sign of his development. He's only played about 3/4th of one full pro season in the AHL. He had a prominent role on a young team, played heavy minutes in multiple roles including PP and PK. His offense was improving in the 2nd half before the season when cut short when he finally had some steady linemates. He is only 20 years old still, and on path to become a 3rd or 4th line C (as was projected when he was drafted). He has some work to do, especially on face-offs which are way below par for someone who may be a bottom six center in the NHL, but his compete level and leadership abilities should get him there. Still needs to get a bit bigger and stronger too. It may come down to available roster spots this coming year and who the Kings re-sign (Lewis, Prokhorkin), but since he is still waiver exempt, players like Moore, Amadio, Grundstrom who are not will be on the team. Luff will also need waivers, although I don't think the Kings are as worried someone would pick him up. Even if JAD does not make the team out of camp, he's likely to get called up at some point and may even stick for good next year.

 

[No Name The Nameless]

I actually think LA has so many prospects that guys like Carter are taking up space at this point. I don’t want to throw guys in unnecessarily but these top end guys don’t need to toil to long in the minors.

I'm on the other side. I'd be looking to bailing out teams and their bad contracts in exchange for picks. Guys with two years left . Vets that will help the kids ease in

 

[Sparky206]

Lewis cant be getting another contract. He was a solid 4th liner in the cup years, but time has passed him by and hes become a slow, below average player. We managed to even move Forbert at the TDL when he had hardly played all season, theres a reason Lewis couldnt even get a 7th.

Someone I don't mind signing is Toffoli, you can give him 4x6mil, good experienced player, you can get him for a home town discount because he would want to keep living in LA and his contract has little impact to the cap with it expiring right as the kids would be needing upgrades and you can flip him for assets at the TDL when its time.

 

[Sleeping Dog]

-Both Kaliyev and Turcotte get a 9 game trial. I don’t think either one sticks but I think it’s worth giving them a bit of a shot if they have strong camps. If the season starts late Kaliyev can go straight to the WJC.

Turcotte isn’t limited with a 10 game trial as he didn’t come from CHL, or are you just referring to not burning a year of ELC?

 

[funky]

Turcotte isn’t limited with a 10 game trial as he didn’t come from CHL, or are you just referring to not burning a year of ELC?

Thank you. I totally forgot about that.

I would just like him to get a few games in to see life at the NHL level. I believe it will be a major growth year for him after being a little bit stagnant last year. Show him the NHL, give him a taste, and send them to the AHL to play major minutes, learn our system and hone his craft. I think in the long run he’s going to be a very exciting prospect and a very good NHL player. Maybe a mid season or year end call up if he plays well. I think he has the game to start as a third line center when and comes up a bit earlier. Play his way up the lineup after that.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Thank you. I totally forgot about that.

I would just like him to get a few games in to see life at the NHL level. I believe it will be a major growth year for him after being a little bit stagnant last year. Show him the NHL, give him a taste, and send them to the AHL to play major minutes, learn our system and hone his craft. I think in the long run he’s going to be a very exciting prospect and a very good NHL player. Maybe a mid season or year end call up if he plays well. I think he has the game to start as a third line center when and comes up a bit earlier. Play his way up the lineup after that.

I agree.

I would lean towards way more AHL than NHL this year for Turcotte though because we want him to become dominant and focus on his pro scoring touch imo.

 

[Rusty Batch]

I think you let all of these kids compete for spots, if they earn it then good for us and them. It means they will be placed into the proper spot for their development.

I am pretty confident that Turcotte and Kaliyev especially are better than at least two returning top 6 Kings players. I would not at all be surprised if you could add three+ prospects to that list. (Bjornfot, 2020 1st, Fagemo, Kupari, Madden, etc...) A lot of these guys will represent upgrades over the returning group of kings players that at best can be described as non impact players.

If you can earn it then you deserve it.

 

[Steve Zissou]

Amadio had a great pre-season last year but I think that ship has sailed at this point.

Wait, was it the year before last where he had a great pre-season? I can't even remember, but maybe it's moreso that I can't remember his play being anything notable during the regular season.

With Lewis being a UFA I can't see us bringing him back. He's toast. Too much Daddy time with the twins.

 

[regulate]

He’s still waiver exempt, though I do hope he makes the jump next season. He still needs to play better than he did last season though, he seemed to be missing that same intensity we saw from him the first time he was brought up.

Kings players not waiver-exempt for the first time at the start of the 2020-2021 season:

Wagner
Petersen
Grundstrom
Imama
Luff
Brickley

Wagner, Petersen and Grundstrom would be sure things to make the Kings in this scenario. I doubt they QO Imama so it's moot, Luff and Brickley would likely clear waivers if they don't make the club.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Kings players not waiver-exempt for the first time at the start of the 2020-2021 season:

Wagner
Petersen
Grundstrom
Imama
Luff
Brickley

Wagner, Petersen and Grundstrom would be sure things to make the Kings in this scenario. I doubt they QO Imama so it's moot, Luff and Brickley would likely clear waivers if they don't make the club.

CapFriendly shows Grundstrom as being exempt from waivers for another season.
https://www.capfriendly.com/waivers-calculator/carl-grundstrom#results

Unless their information is incorrect, it shows he will no longer be waiver eligible after 2021.

 

[KopitarFAN]

An issue for Kaliyev and a potential first round pick (Drysdale, Perfetti etc) the CHL could be looking at an October start date, which has you wondering, do you hold those players for 6-8 weeks? Or let them go?

 

[regulate]

CapFriendly shows Grundstrom as being exempt from waivers for another season.
https://www.capfriendly.com/waivers-calculator/carl-grundstrom#results

Unless their information is incorrect, it shows he will no longer be waiver eligible after 2021.

Look at the bottom where is says remaining. It states "Estimated waivers required beginning: 2020-21". You'll notice where it says years remaining 1, but look above that, it has not updated the fact he has already completed the 19-20 season as one of his 3 pro years, so as it states, he will require waivers at the start of next season.

 

[kilowatt]

I’ll guess our actual starting lineup:

Iaffalo - Kopitar - Brown
Kempe - Vilardi - Frk
Wagner - Lizotte - Moore
Grundstrom - Carter - Lewis
Amadio, Prokhorkin

Hutton - Doughty
Anderson - Roy
Clague - Walker
MacDermid

Quick
Petersen