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Still don’t get why Kings deal Martinez.

How many legit and proven top 4 D do we have? Doughty, Hutton and Martinez. Roy and Walker have stepped up but still unproven. Ryan and MacD are 5/6/7 guys. Forbort is injured and a ufa.

Over the years we have lost RR, Mitchell, Voynov, Greene, Muzzin and now Martinez? Sheesh.
It doesn’t matter, we aren’t winning and we need as many lottery tickets as possible.
As you’ve mentioned, Walker and Roy have stepped up and continue to improve. Anderson, Bjornfot and Clague are knocking on the door... We’re likely to have a high pick this draft back that could be Drysdale and we’ll have a ton of cap space for a veteran Dman should we go that route
 
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Still don’t get why Kings deal Martinez.

How many legit and proven top 4 D do we have? Doughty, Hutton and Martinez. Roy and Walker have stepped up but still unproven. Ryan and MacD are 5/6/7 guys. Forbort is injured and a ufa.

Over the years we have lost RR, Mitchell, Voynov, Greene, Muzzin and now Martinez? Sheesh.

One? If Hutton or Martinez are in your top 4, your top 3 have to be very good.

It's all going to depend on where they are at the deadline. If the rest of the West is bad enough, and the team puts some more wins together and gets back into the conversation, I don't know if they punt on the season. Outside of a stupid offer. If they're 7-10+ points out or whatever, then they'll sell for sure, and it won't even take a crazy trade to do it.
 
Still don’t get why Kings deal Martinez.

How many legit and proven top 4 D do we have? Doughty, Hutton and Martinez. Roy and Walker have stepped up but still unproven. Ryan and MacD are 5/6/7 guys. Forbort is injured and a ufa.

Over the years we have lost RR, Mitchell, Voynov, Greene, Muzzin and now Martinez? Sheesh.

you deal martinez if the offer is good enough. There are only a few D-men available at the deadline and players like Vatanen are pure rentals. If LA can get a good haul then I do it, if not Martinez will be solid for LA once back in the lineup. Our D sucks.
 
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Holy crap that is bad! I like Caufield but he's not worth Vilardi even in this injured state.



Caufield was rated as a mid to late first round pick to start most initial rankings. He ended up near the top 10 in the final rankings. He was actually picked 14th OA.

Vilardi was top3/top5 ranked skater all year. He fell in the draft to 11th OA due to skating and injury concerns. Which we found out to be major back issues.

Overall Vilardi is the much more highly regarded prospect. Hell even Turcotte is more highly regarded than Caufield. And just remember that when Caufield isn't scoring, he isn't doing much else to help the team as he rarely plays PK or a complete 200 ft game. Vilardi on the other hand plays a complete game and in all situations. I'd rather have that guy in the lineup than a hot/cold scoring winger.

For some reason I thought Caufield was drafted higher. Sorry about that.

I am just risk adverse and would still do that deal. I imagine most habs fans would also say no to it as well.
 
you deal martinez if the offer is good enough. There are only a few D-men available at the deadline and players like Vatanen are pure rentals. If LA can get a good haul then I do it, if not Martinez will be solid for LA once back in the lineup. Our D sucks.

Martinez has not looked great this year and turns 33 soon. Trade him. Bjornfot takes his place next year, or even after the deadline.
 
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Martinez has not looked great this year and turns 33 soon. Trade him. Bjornfot takes his place next year, or even after the deadline.

I think LA has turned a bit of a corner as far as adapting to a new system is concerned (looking at you Roy). I wonder now that the team around him is playing better if he too will. Beginning of the year was very ugly on D. Getting better each week it seems.
 
you deal martinez if the offer is good enough. There are only a few D-men available at the deadline and players like Vatanen are pure rentals. If LA can get a good haul then I do it, if not Martinez will be solid for LA once back in the lineup. Our D sucks.

25th in GF since Nov 10th, but tied for 4th in GA with Clb, StL, and Bos.
 
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so... why not just keep him?....

Good point. I would say no more than 3 years though and going rate. I don't trust him enough to go more than 3 years. So, if he's playing well and
has about 17-20 goals at the trade deadline, see about getting him signed, around Feb 1. If he wants 4+ years and big raise, trade him.
Why was he so bad last year? I am afraid of him reverting to that, at some point on a longterm deal.
 
so... why not just keep him?....

because will he be producing in 3 years when LA should be competitive again? Would a player drafted this year with a pick gained from dealing him be more valuable in three years? Do not know but cap space is a huge commodity and if we have guy producing on ELC in two/three years the cap spent on Toffoli maybe better used elsewhere.

Lot of questions on there and a lot would depends on how Toffoli continues to contribute.
 
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So we're back to 2015-2019, huh? Yay.

Or 2012 to 2014. Just without the same swagger/confidence.

The recipe hasn't changed all that much. When was the last time the team had a ton of high end talent? Until some of the young talent starts making the team, it's still the Lombardi Kings. Just a little faster? Lots of shots. Keep the puck out of your net. Had it not been for Kovalchuk apparently dragging the team down to the basement of the league, then it probably wouldn't have been all that different from most of this decade.

It feels like we've been on the whole tanking thing for 15 years now, but maybe they're not that awful. We'll find out in the next 46 games. It'll make the scouts jobs a little more difficult with the draft if they aren't.
 
I don’t think we’d can attribute the change in form to Kovi. Correlation frequently does not equal causation and there are a whole bunch of other factors to consider. The ever increasing influence of TM and the growing buy in to his new system and the fact Quick is still an NHL goalie after all are much bigger factors in our improved play than the absence of Kovi. Carters return to respectability has had a big impact and also allowed them to slide Kempe out to the wing, which has really helped the forecheck.

Taking Kovi out of the lineup has had a positive impact, but it’s a relatively small one and I agree with the termination as it made no sense keeping him. He just didn’t fit the system or where we are as a team, however he wasn’t dragging anyone down, thats a cop out for some of the poor individual performances early on. There’s also plenty of time for our form to nose dive again.
 
I don’t think we’d can attribute the change in form to Kovi. Correlation frequently does not equal causation and there are a whole bunch of other factors to consider. The ever increasing influence of TM and the growing buy in to his new system and the fact Quick is still an NHL goalie after all are much bigger factors in our improved play than the absence of Kovi. Carters return to respectability has had a big impact and also allowed them to slide Kempe out to the wing, which has really helped the forecheck.

Taking Kovi out of the lineup has had a positive impact, but it’s a relatively small one and I agree with the termination as it made no sense keeping him. He just didn’t fit the system or where we are as a team, however he wasn’t dragging anyone down, thats a cop out for some of the poor individual performances early on. There’s also plenty of time for our form to nose dive again.

I agree with you to an extent, but you have to agree that's a hell of a weird correlation, and yes, he absolutely dragged down the lines he played on
 
I agree with you to an extent, but you have to agree that's a hell of a weird correlation, and yes, he absolutely dragged down the lines he played on
Yes, I agree he affected the balance of the lines he played on. However, not to the extent of seeing his line mates get fundamentals things wrong like passing the puck to tape. I also remember watching on many occasions seeing him working far harder than his opposite winger on defensive assignments for example (which stood out to me). Kovi, was not good with defensive structure and terrible with reads but he tried most of the time. The mistakes on basics and lack of effort, even if you take the view it’s because they didn’t like playing with Kovi, is on them not him.
 
I don’t think we’d can attribute the change in form to Kovi. Correlation frequently does not equal causation and there are a whole bunch of other factors to consider. The ever increasing influence of TM and the growing buy in to his new system and the fact Quick is still an NHL goalie after all are much bigger factors in our improved play than the absence of Kovi. Carters return to respectability has had a big impact and also allowed them to slide Kempe out to the wing, which has really helped the forecheck.

Taking Kovi out of the lineup has had a positive impact, but it’s a relatively small one and I agree with the termination as it made no sense keeping him. He just didn’t fit the system or where we are as a team, however he wasn’t dragging anyone down, thats a cop out for some of the poor individual performances early on. There’s also plenty of time for our form to nose dive again.

I've said the same. The difference between what would be the worst team in the league since the start of 18-19(a .395 pt% in 81 games with Kovalchuk), and what would currently be the 19th overall team(.541 pt% in 37 non-Kovalchuk games) in the same time, can't be one guy. Can't be one winger. Can't be one winger that at times was on the 4th line.

However, in the 55 games during 17-18 without Carter or Kovalchuk, and with Kempe as a C, the team was still 28-23-4. Kopitar, Doughty, and Quick dragged the team as far as it could go. Not good, but not the worst team in the league. Still couldn't score, they were 21st in GF for those 55 games, but they were 4th in GA. Last year, a mess all the way down, but in the 18 games that Kovalchuk didn't play, 7-7-4. That pace gets them nowhere, but with the whole team a mess, it was still better.

Scoring, defending, winning, losing. Kovalchuk in the lineup didn't take the team from contender to last place. Nothing crazy like that. They're an average team, and probably a fragile team, which is why one guy not buying into the system made them crumble like a cookie. The difference in GA is big though. If he's on the lower lines, and he's not where he's supposed to be, and they get scored on more often, that screws up the whole team. Then put him on the top line, where he was brought in to play, but then Kopitar doesn't seem to mesh with him, and we go back to boring and predictable Iafallo.

He seemed happy here. When they scored, or they won, everyone on the team was excited. Kovalchuk just seemed to actively make the team worse. You're right though, is that him, or the other 20 guys?
 
Hello yet again. Pens fan here.

Would Jeff Carter be available? And if so, would LA retain 1/6 to 1/3 of his salary ($878,787.83 to $1,757,575.66)? Someone suggested this on the Pens board but I've got no clue if Carter is available.
 
Hello yet again. Pens fan here.

Would Jeff Carter be available? And if so, would LA retain 1/6 to 1/3 of his salary ($878,787.83 to $1,757,575.66)? Someone suggested this on the Pens board but I've got no clue if Carter is available.
Hey Sir,
1) great username.
2) No one does really knows if the following is the truth, but rumor is that Carter did threaten to retire if traded. If this is untrue, the Kings would be foolish to not retain salary and listen to any reasonable offer. It's not like we don't the cap space
 
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