2019-20 Kings News/Rumors

[BigKing]

No, the odds are not firmly in your favor that he will 100% not be an NHL regular.

You are correct that the success rate of UDFA signings is not all that high, but that could be said for basically every non 1st round draft pick. For example, there are currently 65 active players in the NHL who were UDFA, while there are only 38 active players who were drafted in the 7th round.

Saying that he is a guarantee to not amount to anything is just you being overly negative, especially when he had a pretty stellar first pro season.

So even first rounders aren't a lock? Kind of seems the odds are in my favor. I'm not being overly negative: just realistic. I mean, he wasn't even a thought this training camp and there are better players coming behind him.

Would love to be wrong but I'd put a healthy wager on being right.

Edit... Saw you said non first rounders. Point still stands though

 

[kingsfan28]

Nobody else wants to watch them either. Even the first home game is a Saturday afternoon. The Ducks are down. The Knights stole the Sharks. There's a price to pay for irrelevancy.

Damn, the truth really hurts sometimes. If the games on NBCSN, we'll have the double whammy of opening day/night suck. Although, the game starts at 3pm , so it's not all bad. If only we won the lotto...

 

[crassbonanza]

So even first rounders aren't a lock? Kind of seems the odds are in my favor. I'm not being overly negative: just realistic. I mean, he wasn't even a thought this training camp and there are better players coming behind him.

Would love to be wrong but I'd put a healthy wager on being right.

Edit... Saw you said non first rounders. Point still stands though

I am taking issue with you saying that he will 100% not be an NHL regular. You are basing your entire guarantee off of the fact that he was an UDFA, however I have shown you that UDFA players have made the NHL and become regulars. So, the odds are not in your favor that an UDFA will 100% not become an NHL regular.

It is not realistic to believe that a prospect has no chance of finding any success simply because he was not drafted.

 

[BigKing]

I am taking issue with you saying that he will 100% not be an NHL regular. You are basing your entire guarantee off of the fact that he was an UDFA, however I have shown you that UDFA players have made the NHL and become regulars. So, the odds are not in your favor that an UDFA will 100% not become an NHL regular.

It is not realistic to believe that a prospect has no chance of finding any success simply because he was not drafted.

100% is pretty strong, I agree, but that is also based off of his time in the NHL last year, reports from Ontario and his pedigree.

You're talking to a big Scott Parse fan over here so it isn't like I'm down on UDFA players. I also thought Piskula looked really good and felt the same about Drewiske. My initial post wasn't meant to imply signing UDFAs is dumb since I feel the opposite; however, I just don't see Rempal carving out a role in the NHL.

I suppose Seattle being a thing should lower my 100% guarantee a couple of notches. If I could get -120 odds, I'd put $5K on him never playing 100 games in the NHL. Just don't see it but I'm far from a scout, as evidenced by still waiting for that Scott Parse break out.

 

[Stimpythecat]

I'd rather switch Amadio and Kempe and have Lizotte the eventual 3C once he learns the pro game. I am not impressed with Kempe at 2C.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Lmfao ? “Over three months ago” ?

That makes it even worse, pal ! We are not talking about years later.

Once again, your failure to understand even the most rudimentary of context clues leaves you clueless.

We had this debate over three months ago and you’re still bringing it up. That’s the point. You attacked me out of nowhere after I asked a simple question about the roster. How unhinged are you?

 

[crassbonanza]

reports from Ontario

Where he won AHL rookie of the month in November, made the all star game and put up 30 points in his first 32 games? He did hit the "college wall" that most players only accustom to playing 30 games go through in their first pro season, but still ended with 40 points at the end of the year.

What reports from Ontario lead you to believe that he already is a bust?

 

[BigKing]

Where he won AHL rookie of the month in November, made the all star game and put up 30 points in his first 32 games? He did hit the "college wall" that most players only accustom to playing 30 games go through in their first pro season, but still ended with 40 points at the end of the year.

What reports from Ontario lead you to believe that he already is a bust?

I can easily say what reports lead anyone to believe he will be a successful NHL player that weren't penned before he hit the wall?

He's pretty far down on the Kings prospect list and there are two avid Reign watchers that aren't exactly pumping his tires in this very thread.

What I've seen hasn't been much but there hasn't been much to see in those limited viewings. It is tough to carve out a full-time roll in the NHL and the minors are littered with smaller guys with offensive skill. He's already 24 and didn't even get a sniff at this roster, a roster that is projected to finish near the bottom of the league.

It doesn't sound like he came in to camp like a man on a mission, unlike Lizotte who has already jumped him. Now, Lizotte could easily go back to Ontario but this camp can't be looked at as encouraging for Rempal.

I'm not even calling him a bust since I feel like an UDFA from college can't be a bust unless it is one of these dudes that gets super hyped. He doesn't come with real high expectations and, honestly, I think he is a great signing even if all he winds up being is a good player in Ontario for a couple of seasons. I like when the AHL team is good as it is good for those with an NHL future to play in meaningful games. If Rempal doesn't play 100 NHL games, I won't look at him as a bust but rather a guy that played well enough in the NCAA to get a pro contract.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

Once again, your failure to understand even the most rudimentary of context clues leaves you clueless.

We had this debate over three months ago and you’re still bringing it up. That’s the point. You attacked me out of nowhere after I asked a simple question about the roster. How unhinged are you?

If somebody fails so miserably and still acts like you are doing now, i keep bringing it up, yes.

I did not “attack” you out of nowhere. I pointed out, how wrong you might have been. Something I already said back than but just stay ignorant if you want.

 

[Lt Dan]

Once again, your failure to understand even the most rudimentary of context clues leaves you clueless.

We had this debate over three months ago and you’re still bringing it up. That’s the point. You attacked me out of nowhere after I asked a simple question about the roster. How unhinged are you?

If somebody fails so miserably and still acts like you are doing now, i keep bringing it up, yes.

I did not “attack” you out of nowhere. I pointed out, how wrong you might have been. Something I already said back than but just stay ignorant if you want.

you both need to go get a lap dance. They do wonders for your chi

 

[crassbonanza]

I can easily say what reports lead anyone to believe he will be a successful NHL player that weren't penned before he hit the wall?

I'm not sure what this means exactly, are you saying that any positive articles about him from before he hit the wall are meaningless?

He's pretty far down on the Kings prospect list and there are two avid Reign watchers that aren't exactly pumping his tires in this very thread.

I haven't seen any of those Reign watchers saying that he doesn't have a chance to make the NHL, but maybe I missed it. I will also say that quite a few Reign watchers did say that Wagner would not spend any time with the Kings last season and we saw how that went.

What I've seen hasn't been much but there hasn't been much to see in those limited viewings. It is tough to carve out a full-time roll in the NHL and the minors are littered with smaller guys with offensive skill. He's already 24 and didn't even get a sniff at this roster, a roster that is projected to finish near the bottom of the league.

It doesn't sound like he came in to camp like a man on a mission, unlike Lizotte who has already jumped him. Now, Lizotte could easily go back to Ontario but this camp can't be looked at as encouraging for Rempal.

That's fine that there are quite a few smaller offensive guys and many of them won't make it, but some will.

I'm not even calling him a bust since I feel like an UDFA from college can't be a bust unless it is one of these dudes that gets super hyped. He doesn't come with real high expectations and, honestly, I think he is a great signing even if all he winds up being is a good player in Ontario for a couple of seasons. I like when the AHL team is good as it is good for those with an NHL future to play in meaningful games. If Rempal doesn't play 100 NHL games, I won't look at him as a bust but rather a guy that played well enough in the NCAA to get a pro contract.

My issue is that you are already writing him off. You said that in your mind he 100% will not ever be an NHL player and your reasoning seems to be that he was an UDFA, he is small and that a couple of Reign watchers on here didn't pump his tires in this thread. I showed you that plenty of UDFA carve a role for themselves in the NHL and we see plenty of small guys are able to make it. I can't account for the Reign fans you mentioned, but fan scouts are not always right.

His first pro season was very positive; he put up good numbers and made the all star team. The odds are stacked against him, just as they are with every non blue chip prospect, but he is not guaranteed to be a career AHLer based on your reasoning.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

you both need to go get a lap dance. They do wonders for your chi

All I did was ask a f***ing question about the opening night roster.

 

[Bandit]

 

[Choralone]

 

[Bandit]

Oh boy...

 

[Choralone]

Oh boy...

Down the rabbit hole you go....

 

[verbalkint47]

you both need to go get a lap dance. They do wonders for your chi

Lt. Dan getting a lap dance is like going to Morton's or Ruth's Chris after getting your jar wired shut and them rubbing the steak on your belly

 

[Bandit]

Lt. Dan getting a lap dance is like going to Morton's or Ruth's Chris after getting your jar wired shut and them rubbing the steak on your belly

He lost his legs, not his dick... just ask Lenore

 

[BigKing]

<snip>.

I personally see no NHL future for him: at least not here. This is an internet message board so hyperbole is the name of the game. Of course, my 100% guarantee means nothing except to emphatically state that I personally don't believe he will amount to much at the NHL level, if anything at all.

I stated for years and years that no team that picked up Dany Heatley would ever win a Cup because he was a curse. No scouting involved in that but I probably guaranteed that as well, which is to say I may be pretty adamant about something based on little evidence other than my gut feeling. With Rempal, I've seen enough to not be impressed. When combined with his age and how things generally go for players of his size/skill/career path to date, it is enough for me to feel confident he won't make an impact.

As for Wagner, I understand where you are coming from because Regulate believed he wasn't ready so you score points there. Since we are talking about how I feel, I've always been high on Wagner and he differs from Rempal in a giant way: he has an absolutely elite skill + good size whereas Rempal doesn't possess anything of the elite variety. Regulate isn't wrong to say Wagner needed--or still needs--more seasoning to round out his game in the defensive zone but being in the discussion for fastest player in the league is going to get you some NHL playing time.

Rempal would be useless on the bottom lines so he'll need to be a Top 6. That would be a tall order for him to do. Not having an impact camp is pretty detrimental to him, as was goose-egging in his seven games last year and then not getting any more tastes of the NHL in a lost season when everyone else of worth from Ontario was coming up. I mean, I'm pretty sure he was getting healthy scratched.

All that being said, he could have a huge season down there and prove me wrong. Hope he does. I just don't see it. If he winds up being a thing, I'll eat crow and everyone on here can say "I told you so". If I'm right, I won't say "I told you so" though because I don't think I'm going out on much of a limb here.

 

[Stimpythecat]

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[crassbonanza]

I personally see no NHL future for him: at least not here. This is an internet message board so hyperbole is the name of the game. Of course, my 100% guarantee means nothing except to emphatically state that I personally don't believe he will amount to much at the NHL level, if anything at all.

I stated for years and years that no team that picked up Dany Heatley would ever win a Cup because he was a curse. No scouting involved in that but I probably guaranteed that as well, which is to say I may be pretty adamant about something based on little evidence other than my gut feeling. With Rempal, I've seen enough to not be impressed. When combined with his age and how things generally go for players of his size/skill/career path to date, it is enough for me to feel confident he won't make an impact.

As for Wagner, I understand where you are coming from because Regulate believed he wasn't ready so you score points there. Since we are talking about how I feel, I've always been high on Wagner and he differs from Rempal in a giant way: he has an absolutely elite skill + good size whereas Rempal doesn't possess anything of the elite variety. Regulate isn't wrong to say Wagner needed--or still needs--more seasoning to round out his game in the defensive zone but being in the discussion for fastest player in the league is going to get you some NHL playing time.

Rempal would be useless on the bottom lines so he'll need to be a Top 6. That would be a tall order for him to do. Not having an impact camp is pretty detrimental to him, as was goose-egging in his seven games last year and then not getting any more tastes of the NHL in a lost season when everyone else of worth from Ontario was coming up. I mean, I'm pretty sure he was getting healthy scratched.

All that being said, he could have a huge season down there and prove me wrong. Hope he does. I just don't see it. If he winds up being a thing, I'll eat crow and everyone on here can say "I told you so". If I'm right, I won't say "I told you so" though because I don't think I'm going out on much of a limb here.

I see where you are coming from, just got caught up in you writing him off already.

As an aside I think the days of a top 6 and bottom 6 is somewhat antiquated. Teams are moving towards scoring on all 4 lines or at minimum a top 9 and a tough/defensive/energy 4th line.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

Yes, I was so wrong for pointing out the similarities between Bjornfot and Hickey’s scouting reports. These similarities do not exist, except for:

- Average size
- Strong skater
- Leader in the locker room
- Natural PMD
- Captain material and experience
- LH shooter
- Good first pass
- Needs help advancing complete offensive game to become a #1-2

Other than that, the scouting reports have nothing in common; you’re right. Do you know how to read?

And not keeping up with roster decisions during camp has nothing to do with keeping up with prospects.

Again, we went over this and the argument ended and we agreed to disagree. But apparently you’re such a pathetic psycho you held onto it for three months all to try and play “gotcha” over a question about the opening night roster. Go **** yourself.

Why do you forget to add that you thought Bjornfot would turn into a bottom pairing defenseman like Hickey ?

That we had to worry about any defenseman who can skate as well as Bjornfot but not create a ton of offense ?

That Bjornfot was not worth to be picked 1st round.

Just a small summery because it is even worse.

Why do I need to **** myself. You were wrong back than and possibly even more wrong now. I dont need to let this go, this is a message board.

 

[kilowatt]

100% is pretty strong, I agree, but that is also based off of his time in the NHL last year, reports from Ontario and his pedigree.

You're talking to a big Scott Parse fan over here so it isn't like I'm down on UDFA players. I also thought Piskula looked really good and felt the same about Drewiske. My initial post wasn't meant to imply signing UDFAs is dumb since I feel the opposite; however, I just don't see Rempal carving out a role in the NHL.

I suppose Seattle being a thing should lower my 100% guarantee a couple of notches. If I could get -120 odds, I'd put $5K on him never playing 100 games in the NHL. Just don't see it but I'm far from a scout, as evidenced by still waiting for that Scott Parse break out.

Scott Parse would be the second-oldest player on the Kings, behind Kovalchuk. Time flies.

 

[jfont]

you both need to go get a lap dance. They do wonders for your chi

And ice cream.. Right, Lt Dan?

 

[Lt Dan]

And ice cream.. Right, Lt Dan?

After the lap dance though