2019-20 Kings News/Rumors

[No Name The Nameless]

Are we going to talk about Carcillo's allegations about Sutter?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Are we going to talk about Carcillo's allegations about Sutter?

He’s full of shit.

 

[YP44]

I want Dustin on a podcast tomorrow!!

 

[KINGS17]

He’s full of ****.

...and you know Sutter rode Penner's ass like Zorro.

 

[johnjm22]

I've heard multiple players say Darryl was the hardest coach they ever played for.

I don't know what constitutes abuse nowadays, but the whole point of a boss/coach/trainer/superior officer being hard on you is to make you stronger or get the most out of you.

If my coach bag skates me in practice until I puke is that abusive now?

I can't say if Darryl was/wasn't abusive because I wasn't there (none of us were), but I'm pretty skeptical of Carcillo's clams. I think Darryl is just extremely demanding.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Mike Commodore played for both Darryl Sutter and Mike Babcock, and look at the unflattering stuff he’s said about Babcock. I’ve yet to see him say anything derogatory about Sutter, and the only one making outlandish claims is a little shit stain who was barely even around Sutter.

 

[Choralone]

There was some second-hand stuff on the board about his time on the Kings - but so many people these days can't seem to interpret a simple sentence correctly, I hesitate to pass along a third-hand summary after a game of Twitter telephone.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

To be fair didn't he say "The Sutters" and not just specifically Darryl's matt greene incident or whatever?

I mean yeah I think it's telling that no one is rushing to corroborate those stories in contrast to the Babcock stuff. Sutter runs a farm, of course he isn't going to tolerate bullshit.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I've heard multiple players say Darryl was the hardest coach they ever played for.

I don't know what constitutes abuse nowadays, but the whole point of a boss/coach/trainer/superior officer being hard on you is to make you stronger or get the most out of you.

If my coach bag skates me in practice until I puke is that abusive now?

I can't say if Darryl was/wasn't abusive because I wasn't there (none of us were), but I'm pretty skeptical of Carcillo's clams. I think Darryl is just extremely demanding.

Yeah I don't think 'extreme accountability' is anything anyone is complaining about. He did allegedly f*** with Dustin Brown a lot but I'm not sure I'd make the leap to it was demeaning to his character or culture the way Peters was going in on rap music/black culture.

 

[Choralone]

There was some second-hand stuff on the board about his time on the Kings - but so many people these days can't seem to interpret a simple sentence correctly, I hesitate to pass along a third-hand summary after a game of Twitter telephone.

Ok, there's an LA Times article . Here's the significant bit:

Daniel Carcillo, a former NHL enforcer who played 26 games for the Kings during the 2013-14 season, said on Twitter he saw then-coach Darryl Sutter “kick someone in the lower back on the bench.”

Added Carcillo: “What he did to Matt Greene in front of the entire room before a team meeting when he had a concussion was absurd.”

Carcillo also said Sutter used profanity in addressing a female flight attendant because “he wouldn’t let us eat after a bad loss.”

Carcillo also tweeted a photo of a junior team’s rookie party, with players faces obscured, and said that underage drinking, and physical, verbal and sexual abuse took place at the event and were reported to the Western Hockey League and to Hockey Canada, which ignored it “bc it involved the Sutter name.”

Brent Sutter, one of six Sutter brothers who played in the NHL, owns the Red Deer Rebels of the WHL.

Darryl Sutter was known to be gruff in public and often harsh with players behind closed doors as he neared the end of his Kings tenure. Defenseman Drew Doughty, speaking this year, said he and Sutter often butted heads and that “at the end things kind of went south and we were getting in arguments,” but Doughty said he loved the coach who guided the Kings to two Stanley Cup championships.

The bit with the junior team and the hazing abuse is the salient bit as far as I'm concerned. Because Brent Sutter owns the team, the league and Hockey Canada turned a blind eye. But there doesn't seem to be any accusations that Brent Sutter - or any other Sutter - was involved directly.

Edit: sorry to say the word "bit" so may f***ing times.

 

[KINGS17]

To be fair didn't he say "The Sutters" and not just specifically Darryl's matt greene incident or whatever?

I mean yeah I think it's telling that no one is rushing to corroborate those stories in contrast to the Babcock stuff. Sutter runs a farm, of course he isn't going to tolerate bull****.

...but he has never had a problem with cleaning up the bull****. That's what I liked about Darryl Sutter.

 

[Bandit]

...and you know Sutter rode Penner's ass like Zorro.

True but I’m not certain DJ Penncakes, The Repo Man Enforcer’s character is above questioning either. The guy didn’t seem to care about much.

Carcillo has been largely vague about “The Sutters” which in and of itself is vague since there’s about 150 of them.

 

[kingsholygrail]

If Matt Greene comes out and complains, I'll listen. I'm not gonna jump on Carcillo's crusade based on third hand knowledge. That guy's nuts.

 

[Choralone]

This is an earlier tweet from Carcillo describing the Matt Greene bit:



I mean, it was lame of Sutter, and I can see why Carcillo didn't like it, but it's not beyond the pale or anything.

 

[Bandit]

If Matt Greene comes out and complains, I'll listen. I'm not gonna jump on Carcillo's crusade based on third hand knowledge. That guy's nuts.

Fair, but I’m not even sure it’s clear what he’s alleging regarding the Sutters.

 

[kingsholygrail]

Fair, but I’m not even sure it’s clear what he’s alleging regarding the Sutters.

He's a living fever dream on twitter, so who knows.

 

[Bandit]

This is an earlier tweet from Carcillo describing the Matt Greene bit:



I mean, it was lame of Sutter, and I can see why Carcillo didn't like it, but it's not beyond the pale or anything.

Yeah I think Carcillo is mixing some things together. That was a dick move by Darryl and I’m sure it triggered DC because a concussion was involved, but it’s a far cry from abuse.

 

[Steve Zissou]

Carbomb is a f***ing wreck.

 

[raswilliam]

whether or not S*** went down, true professionals dont air their dirty laundry on twitter. There are proper channels to go through i.e. NHLPA.

You never hear guys like Mike Richards talking S*** on coaches, teammates, GM's, etc and you can be sure he could crash HFboards with what he has seen/experienced.

Like kingsholygrail said, if I hear Matt Greene or someone with integrity chimes in I may change my mind.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

whether or not S*** went down, true professionals dont air their dirty laundry on twitter. There are proper channels to go through i.e. NHLPA.

You never hear guys like Mike Richards talking S*** on coaches, teammates, GM's, etc and you can be sure he could crash HFboards with what he has seen/experienced.

Like kingsholygrail said, if I hear Matt Greene or someone with integrity chimes in I may change my mind.

Oh god, can you imagine Richie unloading?

 

[kilowatt]

He’s full of ****.

And Penner peddles climate change bullshit and crazy right-wing conspiracy theories. What's your point? Penner's a nut case too, why do you believe one more than the other?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

And Penner peddles climate change bull**** and crazy right-wing conspiracy theories. What's your point? Penner's a nut case too, why do you believe one more than the other?

Because Penner has nothing to hide and was around a lot longer than Carcillo, who’s crying for the attention. And has any player corroborated Carcillo’s accusations that Sutter was abusive like others have done in support of Aliu and his allegations towards Peters? No.

Did you read what Carcillo has used as examples of Sutter’s abuse? He used mean language. That’s it. That man is in a fragile state of mind.

 

[ru4reals]

I'm sure it's been mentioned here and I haven't gone back to read any of the comments but the story of Marner and Babcock is flat out bush league right there. Damn Babcock is seriously a POS coach from what I've been hearing. I know I'm late to the party but dayem all these stories of NHL coaches and their tactics are really rearing it's ugly head. And haven't even mentioned about Akim Aliu and Flames head coach. If true dude should be canned ASAP in my opinion no place for racism anywhere any time.

 

[kilowatt]

Because Penner has nothing to hide and was around a lot longer than Carcillo, who’s crying for the attention. And has any player corroborated Carcillo’s accusations that Sutter was abusive like others have done in support of Aliu and his allegations towards Peters? No.

Did you read what Carcillo has used as examples of Sutter’s abuse? He used mean language. That’s it. That man is in a fragile state of mind.

What does Carcillo have to hide? How do you know Penner doesn't have anything to hide? Why are they hiding anything at all? This all happened yesterday, and he provided specifics of Sutter's verbal abuse already. I'm not saying Carcillo is right or wrong, but it's pretty easy to come out and confirm Aliu's story. No one's going to argue that Peters was in the right for saying what he said, or that saying it wasn't actually that bad. Of course not. That's a cut and dry case.

But we don't know half of what's gone on. Look at the Sherbrooke Phoenix case. Look at how Avery treated Brown. Hell, look at the tweet you posted from Penner. His coach apologized to his mother. Why is that just considered normal behavior? Hazings, berating players, all of that. It's easy to say "grow thicker skin", but not everyone has thicker skin, and not everyone should need it to be able to enjoy playing hockey.

Carcillo might have mental health issues, and this might be a lot of smoke and no fire, but to outright dismiss it is also wrong. Do you think Carcillo was just born damaged? Or do you think that specific actions throughout his life impacted his mental health? And if you think it might be the latter, do you think it's literally impossible that any of it could have included any of the Sutter family? He's already talked at length about the abuse he suffered playing in the OHL.

This is just a bad situation all around. If none of it is true, that's a bad look for Carcillo. If any of it is true, I hope it encourages others to speak out as well. I can't imagine how hard it must be to talk about any of this because I've never had to.

 

[Sol]

And Penner peddles climate change bull**** and crazy right-wing conspiracy theories. What's your point? Penner's a nut case too, why do you believe one more than the other?

Uhh what does Penner's political stance have to do with his experience under Sutter? That's a bizarre way of discrediting someone because you don't like their stance.

Carcillo is talking out of his ass on a smear campaign for attention with zero regard as to who he does it to. Penner had no easy time under Sutter and came to his defense. That means something.

Carcillo has zero evidence.

I turned on Sutter more quickly than most cause of his attitude. But that attitude doesn't mean he was being a monster. Carcillo is conflating a hard ass coach to something evil.

I can't say it didn't happen or that there's stuff we don't know about, but Carcillo is the last person Id trust.

Screw that guy.