2019-20 Kings News/Rumors

[tny760]

i don't want to rag on kopi too much cause he's still my favorite player and a PPG NHL player doesn't deserve much but i think sometimes we need more from him than his perimeter game, at least on the PP

someone with his skill needs to sometimes turn that skill on overdrive and force plays instead of safe safe safe

 

[kilowatt]

i don't want to rag on kopi too much cause he's still my favorite player and a PPG NHL player doesn't deserve much but i think sometimes we need more from him than his perimeter game, at least on the PP

someone with his skill needs to sometimes turn that skill on overdrive and force plays instead of safe safe safe

We just need more contributions from the rest of the team. When no one else on the team is even a threat, it's not hard to draw up a game plan to stop one player.

 

[Statto]

Which should make Kopitar's six game point streak that much more impressive since Brown wasn't doing anything (not playing bad) and according to some here Iafallo shouldn't even be in the NHL sooooo it's pretty strange that Kopitar sucks so bad/can't lead/is unproductive/can't cook.

His Lasagne sucks

 

[kings11]

i don't want to rag on kopi too much cause he's still my favorite player and a PPG NHL player doesn't deserve much but i think sometimes we need more from him than his perimeter game, at least on the PP

someone with his skill needs to sometimes turn that skill on overdrive and force plays instead of safe safe safe

This team isn’t good enough to allow him to do that.. He’s one of the best 2-way players on the planet for a reason. He’s always aware of his responsibility but maybe soon enough some kids will help alleviate that.

 

[DoktorJeep]

For $10M a season, Kopitar is expected to put up points and make his line mates better. He’s inconsistent at the first year over year. And other than Brown a failure at the second since signing his big money deal.

Some fans have low expectations combined with purple tinted glasses.

 

[kings11]

For $10M a season, Kopitar is expected to put up points and make his line mates better. He’s inconsistent at the first year over year. And other than Brown a failure at the second since signing his big money deal.

Some fans have low expectations combined with purple tinted glasses.

He was signed to continue being the same thing he’s always been.. a one man line which he still is.. Connor McDavid wouldn’t have much luck with Alex Iafallo and Dustin Brown either. The guys aren’t skilled scorers, give Kopitar a Taylor Hall and he’d likely hover over the 100 point mark. He’s still that good..
Some fans just don’t understand what’s in front of them until it’s gone...

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

For $10M a season, Kopitar is expected to put up points and make his line mates better. He’s inconsistent at the first year over year. And other than Brown a failure at the second since signing his big money deal.

Some fans have low expectations combined with purple tinted glasses.

He's over PPG, having a hand in 42% of the team's goals, with the best +/- on the team (other than Walker) despite the hardest, biggest minutes and deployment.

The only problem with Kopitar is that he's not McDavid. Some fans have unrealistic expectations combined with a desire to be miserable.

 

[kingsholygrail]

For $10M a season, Kopitar is expected to put up points and make his line mates better. He’s inconsistent at the first year over year. And other than Brown a failure at the second since signing his big money deal.

Some fans have low expectations combined with purple tinted glasses.

How many points does Kopitar need to put up?

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

How many points does Kopitar need to put up?

When he's putting up points, it's about the kind of points. Too many secondary assists. Not enough PP points. Not doing enough 'two way' stuff by my eye test. If he puts up 30 goals, he's not getting enough assists to make his teammates better. When he gets 50 assists, he's being too deferential.

Guy will never be appreciated property by this fanbase. It doesn't matter. Gets a 90+ point MVP caliber season and it's "So what? It won't happen again."

 

[King'sPawn]

When he's putting up points, it's about the kind of points. Too many secondary assists. Not enough PP points. Not doing enough 'two way' stuff by my eye test. If he puts up 30 goals, he's not getting enough assists to make his teammates better. When he gets 50 assists, he's being too deferential.

Guy will never be appreciated property by this fanbase. It doesn't matter. Gets a 90+ point MVP caliber season and it's "So what? It won't happen again."

I still remember people ragging on him years ago for assisting on an empty net goal instead of scoring the goal himself, which also extended his "goalless streak."

And the remarks of him taking annual sabbaticals never get old. As if other great players don't go through scoring droughts.

He's basically Henrik Zetterberg with less offensive support. Both are high end defensive forwards. Z had 960 points in 1082 games(.887 pts/gm). Kopitar has 910 in 1024 (.888 pts/gm).

When Kopitar is no longer playing, the Kings will miss him. He will go into the Hall of Fame, if anything, as the first regular Slovenian NHL player while growing the sport out there. His number will probably be retired by the Kings, as well.

He is among the most durable players, has done everything each coach has asked, and played insane minutes with difficult assignments. He has led the team in scoring every year except his rookie year and the year he was playing through injury (which some denied was a possibility - they just defaulted back to their preconceived notion that he doesn't care).

And yet, just because he's a different leader than some would like, fans still insist they have better insight from their armchair than people actually working in the NHL about his "character".

He's not perfect, but he's better than the attitude and shade ungrateful fans throw his way.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Wonder why Blake didn’t put a waiver claim in Brandon Pirri especially with Kempe bolting.

 

[KINGS17]

For $10M a season, Kopitar is expected to put up points and make his line mates better. He’s inconsistent at the first year over year. And other than Brown a failure at the second since signing his big money deal.

Some fans have low expectations combined with purple tinted glasses.

The primary problem with Kopitar as a player is limited to him being wildly inconsistent from season to season.

The problem the Kings have is that his third contract was the signed at the wrong time in terms of where the team was in the contention-cycle at the time. They had a valuable asset in Kopitar that has brought very little in return to the franchise over the course of his third contract.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Wonder why Blake didn’t put a waiver claim in Brandon Pirri especially with Kempe bolting.

He would have had to be on the NHL roster for 30 days if claimed, no?

 

[Rusty Batch]

The primary problem with Kopitar as a player is limited to him being wildly inconsistent from season to season.

The problem the Kings have is that his third contract was the signed at the wrong time in terms of where the team was in the contention-cycle at the time. They had a valuable asset in Kopitar that has brought very little in return to the franchise over the course of his third contract.

He's the only "wildly inconsistent" player that has led his team in scoring 11 out of the past 12 years, rarely ever misses a game, and is consistently an elite defensive forward.

The only thing wildly inconsistent with Kopitar, is the coaches/schemes and caliber of talent he's played with over his career.

 

[DoktorJeep]

Objectively, Kopitar has led this team to some of its worst seasons since he became captain and was given his cap busting contract.

It’s not his fault and he’s done more than his job in the stretch. And I appreciate him as the best Kings player of all time. But I can also look at him objectively in comparison to some of his current and past peers and see that there is another level available from your superstar players.

And that’s my basic point, he’s paid and treated like a superstar, but the results aren’t there. So either you expect more, or you’re comfortable with living in the past.

 

[kings11]

The primary problem with Kopitar as a player is limited to him being wildly inconsistent from season to season.

The problem the Kings have is that his third contract was the signed at the wrong time in terms of where the team was in the contention-cycle at the time. They had a valuable asset in Kopitar that has brought very little in return to the franchise over the course of his third contract.

I get this, I still however feel that the inability of the FO to recognize that the team needed to move vets really hurt the clubs ability to not only remain in contention but also the opportunity to surround Kopitar with real scoring talent. We obviously have a surprising gem in Sean Walker, who to my surprise can play both sides ala Marty the one man party. Bjornfot and Anderon look like they push hard for a spot next season and a cup of coffee this season. Alex Turcotte has a NHL game now and hopefully will get stronger with another Kings offseason program. Nikolai Prokhorkin, should he stay looks like a legit player as does Carl Grundstrom.
If we could had some quality depth and spirnkle in a Turcotte, Toby, Mikey and maybe Viladri then we could nab a playoff spot in the next season or two.. If we luck out and add a Lafreniere or Byfield, then I would expect that timetable to speed up considerably

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Objectively, Kopitar has led this team to some of its worst seasons since he became captain and was given his cap busting contract.

It’s not his fault and he’s done more than his job in the stretch. And I appreciate him as the best Kings player of all time. But I can also look at him objectively in comparison to some of his current and past peers and see that there is another level available from your superstar players.

And that’s my basic point, he’s paid and treated like a superstar, but the results aren’t there. So either you expect more, or you’re comfortable with living in the past.

In that case, so has McDavid. Hope Edmonton can get pennies on the dollar for that scrub.

He's 10th in cap and closer to 20th in salary this year, which is about where he is in scoring, which is not at all what he's all about. When you can recognize that 10 million is a pretty low bar for the future, you'll maybe understand a little better. Kopitar is making less than Benn, Seguin, Stone, Trouba...list goes on. He's not paid and treated like a superstar, those guys are getting close to 15 m now. He's paid commensurate with his status as THE elite two-way forward in the league, which is still true.

It seems like your qualm is with his salary for some reason. Not sure what 'results' you're looking for but no superstars are willing their teams to victory on their own and Kopitar isn't paid like the guys you're referencing anyway soooo your point still sucks, especially since you can't commit to writing what your expectations are. It's easy to hide behind abstractions. What could Kopitar do that would make you happy with him? I'd rope K17 into this since he's your biggest and looks like only cheerleader here but even he's made it clear nothing Kopitar can do matters, so at least he's committed. You're simply taking blind pot shots.

I'm not 'comfortable living in the past,' I simply recognize that a guy who is over PPG and in on nearly half of his team's offense while doing the bulk of the defensive heavy lifting on a last place team while STILL playing over 20 minutes a game is more than meeting my expectations.

Like, of all the things to complain about this year, imagine hating Anze Kopitar so much that you pin any of this on the guy who has 22 points when his linemates have 10 and the rest of the team has single digits (Doughty 13 to be fair).

 

[YP44]

For $10M a season, Kopitar is expected to put up points and make his line mates better. He’s inconsistent at the first year over year. And other than Brown a failure at the second since signing his big money deal.

Some fans have low expectations combined with purple tinted glasses.

He makes the goalies better. I know not a typical "linemate" but he is on the ice with them.

 

[BringTheReign]

There are 3 players in the world that have shown they can carry a true 1st line by themselves without star/elite support, and they are Crosby, McDavid, and Malkin.

You can argue Kopitar is overpaid, but expecting him to make wine out of water with Brown and Iafallo as linemates is a stretch. Bergeron has Marchand and Pastrnak, Barkov has Huberdeau and Dadonov, etc. Those are the players he should be compared to in my opinion, and he's doing pretty well given his quality of linemates. He doesn't even have Doughty helping him out this year given his terrible start to the season.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

There are 3 players in the world that have shown they can carry a true 1st line by themselves without star/elite support, and they are Crosby, McDavid, and Malkin.

You can argue Kopitar is overpaid, but expecting him to make wine out of water with Brown and Iafallo as linemates is a stretch. Bergeron has Marchand and Pastrnak, Barkov has Huberdeau and Dadonov, etc. Those are the players he should be compared to in my opinion, and he's doing pretty well given his quality of linemates. He doesn't even have Doughty helping him out this year given his terrible start to the season.

And this year Kopitar was outpacing both Crosby and Malkin before their injuries.

Bergeron is the 3rd scoring option on his line, the best in the league, and is getting outscored by 15-16 points. Barkov was outscored by his linemate, that's how good they are, and has always had someone within a handful of points of him.

McDavid/Draisaitl are doing something insanely special beyond even anyone's expectations of them.

Kopitar is the only one of the above who absolutely dusts everyone on his own team regularly and for every season of his career but his first and his injury.

 

[regulate]

He would have had to be on the NHL roster for 30 days if claimed, no?

No. He could be waived again the very next day, he would just have to clear waivers yet again. The 10 game, 30 day rule is for players that have already CLEARED waivers with a team (not claimed by another team). Players that have cleared waivers can stay on an NHL roster with their team for 10 games played or 30 days and then be sent down without having to clear waivers again.

 

[Little Psycho]

I just skip over those posts that rag on Kopitar when it's not warranted. I complain about him when it's needed, but doing it for years.... no thanks.

 

[Steve Zissou]

Savage.

 

[tny760]

i hope more people hit them with comments like that

i know their egos won't allow them to change but maybe someone in the org catches wind

 

[Ollie Weeks]

They have a podcast. Christ on his throne, who greenlit THAT?!