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BigKing

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Yeah lot of people going "Carter is washed" without realizing he'd be amongst every teams' leading goal scorers, heh. Imagine putting him in a complementary role on a contender where he can just rove up and down the wing for 2.5 million. He has value, absolutely.





Gosh, now we're making hair jokes about Carter? :P

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KingsFan7824

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1) Carter can still play, maybe not at the top level, but he will be an asset come playoff time.

The problem is the 2 years you have to account for after this year. Retention or not, he has to be accounted for on the roster, in some capacity, for 2 additional seasons, and he's already 35. That's a tough sell.

2) The Bruins desperately need Cap space for next season if they want to keep their core together, and they will with Marchand and Bergeron not getting any younger. They will have to get rid of Backes one way or another just like Toronto had to offload Marleau.

Then just get Thornton today, with no long term issues, and worry about Backes at a later date. He doesn't have to be traded at the deadline. Marleau was traded in June 2019 for a conditional 1st in 2020 or 2021. If the Bruins are absolutely desperate to get rid of Backes by Monday, ok, but I'm not sure the Kings are getting a + if they're shipping Carter the other way. Because Carter has that extra year. If the Bruins can wait, they might be able to get rid of 100% of Backes, and not have to deal with a 35/36/37 year old forward.

3) A third to 1/2 of our roster next season will be guys on their ELC or are RFAs with little negotiating power (Walker). We won't lack cap space and can take on Backes dead money for a year. Retaining on Carter in 2022 won't be so painful as Phaneuf's hit goes down and IK will be off the books.

The Kings aren't the issue though. I believe the Kings could fit Backes at 100%, get the 2021 pick, and not even bother including Carter in the deal. They can get Thornton cheap, clear out $6m for next year, maybe add another cheap veteran rental, and be done with it. Why get the 2 additional years of Carter? Backes at $6m, or Carter retained at 30% is around $3.7m, so they gain a little over $2m in space. Is that enough for them to do whatever they're doing next year?

Just seems like adding Carter in there is just us wanting to be rid of Carter. If Carter is still an asset come playoff time, why is Boston adding in that deal? Straight 1 for 1. The Kings get rid of Carter, the Bruins get rid of dead weight, the dead weight is done a year earlier, and that extra year of no cap space commitment is the value the Kings get in the deal, while the Bruins get a player that might help them more than Backes will at this point.

With only a quarter of the season remaining, Lewis and Forbort will only represent relatively small cap hits. One has to believe Blake is saving a retention slot for a bigger deal possibly extending beyond this season.

But if you can only have 3 guys you retain on at any given time, to give yourself the most flexibility, why lock up a retention slot for 2 years? Retain on Lewis and Forbort, and they're done after this year, so you have all your slots back. You never know what trade might pop up at a later date.

I think we might be trying too hard to find ways that Blake can get rid of Carter, but we'll see. Even the rumor with the Flyers, I don't really see how it fits together. They don't have any open space. Scott Laughton? It's the same issue that goes back to 2017, when people wanted Carter gone because the Kings were done. He was already 32 then, with 5 years left, which is that much more complicated in a hard cap world than the 2 years he currently has left.
 

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I'm not sure if anyone here listens to Friedman's 31 Thoughts Podcast, but they dropped a team by team trade deadline preview. I wasn't able to finish the episode, but here's what I heard so far:

On LA: Not much said. The Kings did a great job getting what they could for Toffoli, Martinez, Clifford, and Campbell. Not much left to move beyond Lewis.

On Carter: This was mostly Friedman speculating, but he brought up Philly again. Said it would be a nice ending for Carter and Philly writing some wrongs, but a trade wouldn't be for sentimental reasons. Philly wants a forward for a playoff push with Patrick's status so uncertain. But unsure of Carter's desire to return to Philadelphia. He likes the west coast lifestyle and with a young family he may not want to leave. They suggested Arizona as a possible destination.

On Boston: They're very specific on who they want. A good team that may have originally wanted to not do much, they balked at the price on Coleman. But after seeing Pittsburgh and Tampa make their big moves Boston may need to do something after all. He did say Boston may not want another rental, and if they did make a move they'd prefer to give up a prospect that hasn't worked out so far (Like Bjork or Vaakanianen) instead of picks.

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Now my own thoughts:

If Carter is open to a move to the east coast Boston makes the most sense. They want another RW/C thats a non rental. LA can easily take on Backes. That alone should warrant a 1st for taking Backes and a prospect for Carter. Now if LA retained 50% on Jeff that would make the return that much sweeter. Now that Bruins team with Carter as 2RW, Coyle as C3.. thats scary good. Add in Carter being able to take over at C if one of Bergeron/Krejci/Coyle go down and he's a perfect fit. With taking on Backes and getting Carter at 50% Boston comes out ahead on cap space for next year. Seems like a no brainer for a team thats in cup or bust territory.

The Flyers on the other hand don't make a lot of sense. You've got a team that fairly young and deep(ish) at forward. Giroux and Voracek aren't falling off a cliff yet so they've still got time. I'm not sure why they'd need Carter, but he certainly wouldn't hurt their offence.

Arizona makes a lotta sense, they're all in as I doubt Hall stays. They need a legitimate centerman, and Carter could be it. He doesn't put them over the top but neither did Hall.

The place I really thought he'd end up was Vegas. With these teams having already done the Martinez trade that seems unlikely, but we have seen teams make multiple deals this time of year. Adding Carter gives Vegas 3 legitimate top 6 centers, and Eakin can be taken back to make the cap work, as could retention on Carter. But I just think if this was going to happen Carter would've been going in the same deal as A-Mart.
 
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I wonder if we are on his trade list. I suppose if we told him we'd give him a roster spot or buy him out that he might be willing to waive his limited no trade clause if we aren't on his list.

There aren't many west conference teams that could absorb his contract. Basically us, San Jose, the Ducks and Minnesota. I doubt the Ducks would fork out the money for him, but I could see San Jose doing it as they apparently really want to get a 1st rounder.
 

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Kings do have the cap room for this sorta deal but i would want more then just a 1st if anything of value is going the other way

My money is on the Ducks. Kings could work this for a 1st to take on Backes, and send a B prospect back in return. Everyone says we have a ton of CAP room, but if you throw in Backes $6 million, it gets a bit tighter if we are trying to sign a decent D man over the summer. Still have to sign 9 or 10 guys. If the CAP goes up a couple million, leaves you with about 18-19 million to sign the rest of the roster if you take on that contract. It can be done, just not as much wiggle room to make moves next season.
 

Ollie Weeks

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I still think the hangup with such a deal, on LA’s end, would be AEG unwilling to spend during a rebuilding year. Which is too bad if so.
 
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My money is on the Ducks. Kings could work this for a 1st to take on Backes, and send a B prospect back in return. Everyone says we have a ton of CAP room, but if you throw in Backes $6 million, it gets a bit tighter if we are trying to sign a decent D man over the summer. Still have to sign 9 or 10 guys. If the CAP goes up a couple million, leaves you with about 18-19 million to sign the rest of the roster if you take on that contract. It can be done, just not as much wiggle room to make moves next season.
I was thinking more carter with 20% held for Backes a first and a b prospect Not sure on the cap but i think that would work better
 

DoktorJeep

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While Carter has scored almost 20 goals, he barely has 10 assists this year. Some of that is due to poor team play and lower quality linemates. But it’s unacceptable to have a forward getting the fourth most ice time who scores around 30 pts a season for $5+ M in cap space.

He’s signed for two more years after this one. If they trade him and he retires, his cap hit penalty is like $3.75M each year remaining. A buyout this offseason is worse financially.

His career accomplishments and earnings give him almost zero reasons to want a trade. Throw in his public displays of attachment to the SoCal lifestyle for multi millionaires both through personal and Kings marketing, there is only one possible outcome here which helps the player and team.

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While Carter has scored almost 20 goals, he barely has 10 assists this year. Some of that is due to poor team play and lower quality linemates. But it’s unacceptable to have a forward getting the fourth most ice time who scores around 30 pts a season for $5+ M in cap space.

It's not like he's had linemates who could finish, and besides, Carter has always been a Cy Young type of player. He scores off the rush; he's not curling up on the half wall or circling the net setting other players up.

I take your point that 30 pts doesn't look great, but 20-10 is a lot different than 10-20 in terms of value added.
 

DoktorJeep

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It's not like he's had linemates who could finish, and besides, Carter has always been a Cy Young type of player. He scores off the rush; he's not curling up on the half wall or circling the net setting other players up.

I take your point that 30 pts doesn't look great, but 20-10 is a lot different than 10-20 in terms of value added.

Amadio has the same number of assists as Carter; Lizotte and Kempe have more than him. All get way less ice time.

Throw in his team leading -21, he sees more than double the goals against versus what he produces. The next closest forward is at -12. “Defensive black hole” Kovalchuk was a -10 this season while here.

Carter actually leads the team in shots and has an ok shooting percentage, which is kudos to him, but more evidence of how he is ultimately dragging the team down given how much he plays and takes opportunity away from younger players.
 
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Piston

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At the beginning of the rebuild last year, Blake clearly stated he needed to have two additional #1 draft picks. He got one in the Muzzin deal. There is nothing on the current roster (save Doughty or Kopitar) that can get us another, so taking back a bad contract is the only way we can get an additional first short of cannibalizing other assets such as the bevy of second rounders we possess. I'm not sure we can get rid of Carter in such a deal, but cap space is the most important asset we have right now, so we may as well utilize it as so few teams have any. Don't worry about AEG, this is all chump change now that LA Live has been developed. Just thank the Lord we are not owned my Melnyk who does count his pennies- otherwise Ottawa with its two upcoming lottery picks and loads of cap space would be a real threat.
 

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I wonder if we are on his trade list. I suppose if we told him we'd give him a roster spot or buy him out that he might be willing to waive his limited no trade clause if we aren't on his list.

There aren't many west conference teams that could absorb his contract. Basically us, San Jose, the Ducks and Minnesota. I doubt the Ducks would fork out the money for him, but I could see San Jose doing it as they apparently really want to get a 1st rounder.

There's a quote somewhere from Backes about the Sochi Olympics in 2014 joking about feeling triggered since the arena had borrowed all their music and sound from Staples Center. (Dieter was the organist)

Maybe a few too many bad memories for David to have us on his list.
 
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