2019-20 Kings News/Rumors

[DoktorJeep]

I just don't see who can afford him.

I think before you can answer that, you have to figure what someone will pay for the player. $11m is cap busting given the expected output. But a number closer to $8.5 would be considered an attractive value today and likely for the next three to four years. Retained salary could also increase the quantity / quality of the returns.

 

[Fat Elvis]

It's the cost of living in LA. Except for NYC, LA out-prices all other markets by a large amount.
I think the travel is a bit less a concern now with the quality of the travel as opposed to years before.

 

[Fat Elvis]

In terms of dealing DD8. We're going to have this discussion again in 2 years, basically folks complaining they waited too long to deal him.
I'm not saying he needs to be dealt. What I am saying is that it needs to be discussed. I would rather deal him a year or 2 too early than a year too late.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

What? You can't trade every player over 30. No, in reality around here trading any player over 30 who would have brought a decent return was considered heresy.

???

Nicholls was 28, and that was a hockey deal......the type of deals you are proposing are....let's get younger with no plan involved deals....Carter turns 30. trade him, get something, anything for him, must move him....

Completely different.

 

[YP44]

Don't forget taxes. Nobody wants to pay these stupid ****ing tax rates. The property tax to own property in LA is also ridiculous.

For sure. That is a huge benefit to a lot of places, and negatively effects alot (not just LA) as well.

I would like to see a tax adjusted cap, where players salaries and the ceiling/floor float with the local tax rates.

edit: responded as if you were talking about income tax rates not property, sorry.

 

[YP44]

It's the cost of living in LA. Except for NYC, LA out-prices all other markets by a large amount.
I think the travel is a bit less a concern now with the quality of the travel as opposed to years before.

I disagree with the travel. It seems you always hear of retired players bitching abotu the western travel.

It makes it harder for coaches to schedule practices, players to have down time, is harder on families, etc. It is a violin as these guys are still paid good for playing a game they should love. But at the end of the day if everything else is equal travel could be a tipping point

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Travel alone makes it impossible for many players to choose LA over other destinations. Many teams up in the NE sleep in their own beds even after road games.

How do you figure? I mean after certain road games sure, but that statement strikes me as off, only because teams often are on the road 3-4-5-6 games at a time...

 

[jfont]

Don't forget taxes. Nobody wants to pay these stupid ****ing tax rates. The property tax to own property in LA is also ridiculous.

you should checkout the prop taxes in the northeast. yikes!

 

[Fat Elvis]

you should checkout the prop taxes in the northeast. yikes!

I'm sure many rent/lease

 

[raswilliam]

Trade Bait: Eyes on Montreal Canadiens as NHL trade deadline day nears - TSN.ca

2. Martinez
6. Tofolli

 

[KingLB]

I think before you can answer that, you have to figure what someone will pay for the player. $11m is cap busting given the expected output. But a number closer to $8.5 would be considered an attractive value today and likely for the next three to four years. Retained salary could also increase the quantity / quality of the returns.

So the Kings will get to try and contend with 2.5 mil in dead cap for 6 years!!!?

 

[YP44]

Trade Bait: Eyes on Montreal Canadiens as NHL trade deadline day nears - TSN.ca

2. Martinez
6. Tofolli

They have Kovalchuk 3 and carolina's 1st listed. haha

 

[Sol]

Drew Pouty in the Athletic article sounds pathetic.

 

[Bandit]

In terms of dealing DD8. We're going to have this discussion again in 2 years, basically folks complaining they waited too long to deal him.
I'm not saying he needs to be dealt. What I am saying is that it needs to be discussed. I would rather deal him a year or 2 too early than a year too late.

Have you not been paying attention around here? We already waited too long according to some.

 

[DoktorJeep]

So the Kings will get to try and contend with 2.5 mil in dead cap for 6 years!!!?

It’s not unreasonable to think so based on teams that are retaining salary today.

Toronto - Kessel
Dallas - Belesky
Boston - Belesky + Seidenberg
Tampa - Carle
Colorado - Barry

 

[Fat Elvis]

Have you not been paying attention around here? We already waited too long according to some.

Well, I'm trying my best to ignore the noise.

 

[KingsFan7824]

It’s not unreasonable to think so based on teams that are retaining salary today.

Toronto - Kessel
Dallas - Belesky
Boston - Belesky + Seidenberg
Tampa - Carle
Colorado - Barry

Kessel is the only one on that list in the same zip code as Doughty's contract. Some of those guys were simply bought out, which has nothing to do with it. In other words, it's very rare for a team to retain for that long a period of time. I would think it's easier to take some bad short term contracts back, like Toronto did with Phaneuf, than retain for half a decade.

 

[KingsFan7824]

What? You can't trade every player over 30. No, in reality around here trading any player over 30 who would have brought a decent return was considered heresy.

Guys in their 30's don't tend to bring back a decent return. Also not easy to dump guys in their 30's for nothing. If you had thoughts of trading Carter, then you can't really get him in the first place. Columbus didn't get as much for him as they paid. He was 27 and in the 1st year of an 11 year deal when Lombardi brought him in. He was already 30 in the first year post-golden age.

If you want any real value for anyone, you have to trade them at either 18-20, or 25. 30+ year olds do nothing but get old.

 

[KINGS17]

In terms of dealing DD8. We're going to have this discussion again in 2 years, basically folks complaining they waited too long to deal him.
I'm not saying he needs to be dealt. What I am saying is that it needs to be discussed. I would rather deal him a year or 2 too early than a year too late.

Yes, seeing as how the Kings have made this mistake multiple times already.

I am not saying every player needed to be traded, but to not trade any of them for the substantial return they would have garnered was a mistake.

 

[The Tikkanen]

Have you not been paying attention around here? We already waited too long according to some.

Doughty paired with an elite #2 Dman can still put up points ala Josi-Weber. Right now Drew has the anchor around his neck playing with awful defensemen and forwards who lack skill or drive.

 

[KINGS17]

Guys in their 30's don't tend to bring back a decent return. Also not easy to dump guys in their 30's for nothing. If you had thoughts of trading Carter, then you can't really get him in the first place. Columbus didn't get as much for him as they paid. He was 27 and in the 1st year of an 11 year deal when Lombardi brought him in. He was already 30 in the first year post-golden age.

If you want any real value for anyone, you have to trade them at either 18-20, or 25. 30+ year olds do nothing but get old.

You had time in the case of Carter to send him to a contender for a late first round pick and a very good prospect as the 2017 trade deadline approached. It was obvious at that point the Kings were done being a legit contender, and Carter was still producing. Carter has a very cap friendly contract and GMs who are in a position to win a Stanley Cup add that piece at the deadline and go for it.

 

[YP44]

Doughty paired with an elite #2 Dman can still put up points ala Josi-Weber. Right now Drew has the anchor around his neck playing with awful defensemen and forwards who lack skill or drive.

IF LA had an Elite #2 he should not be paired with doughty but should be anchoring the 2nd pair. I would love that.

 

[Bandit]

Doughty paired with an elite #2 Dman can still put up points ala Josi-Weber. Right now Drew has the anchor around his neck playing with awful defensemen and forwards who lack skill or drive.

True, but Doughty has lacked plenty of drive himself the last 2 seasons if you ask me.

 

[The Tikkanen]

True, but Doughty has lacked plenty of drive himself the last 2 seasons if you ask me.

The whole organization seems to have lost the desire to portray a winning franchise.

 

[Bandit]

The whole organization seems to have lost the desire to portray a winning franchise.

Surf's up!

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