2019-20 Kings News/Rumors

[KingsFan7824]

You had time in the case of Carter to send him to a contender for a late first round pick and a very good prospect as the 2017 trade deadline approached. It was obvious at that point the Kings were done being a legit contender, and Carter was still producing. Carter has a very cap friendly contract and GMs who are in a position to win a Stanley Cup add that piece at the deadline and go for it.

I think we'll just always disagree on this. He was 32 at the 2017 deadline, with 5 more years on his contract. Guys like that don't tend to get traded, they don't tend to bring a lot back in a deal if they are traded, and they don't tend to get dealt at the deadline if they're traded. Muzzin didn't even bring back a very good prospect, and he was younger, less expensive, locked in for only 1 additional season, and played as important a position.

Even June 2015 was probably too late to trade him, and that's assuming Lombardi ever had that kind of thought in his head at the time.

You look at other deals around the league at deadline time, and very few involve a 32 year old with 5 years left. You can throw Phaneuf in there. 31, with a bunch of years left, but he did not bring back a 1st, or a good prospect, for Toronto.

If we knew that Carter was even made available at the 2017 deadline, that would probably help any discussion about his value at the 2017 deadline. But you don't see too many guys in his situation traded for value, because of exactly what's happened to him since the 2017 deadline. Same reason you never want to give out the long contracts to old guys. If you get hurt, or your production goes down, it's much more difficult to get back to full health, or to get back to the production that made you valuable.

 

[Statto]

If we trade Doughty, in 2 years the kids will then be ready for a run a couple of years later. I guarantee I’d go insane reading post after post with people complaining that trading Doughty was a big mistake and that keeping him would have been the difference. If we add Doughty to the team we’d be serious contenders etc. All whilst Doughty lifts a couple more cups wherever he ends up.

Doughty is the least of our problems, we’d regret moving him no matter what we get for him.

 

[Steve Zissou]

Hey, it's not like we just traded for this:

* Lost a 1st in a deep draft
* Signed him and his broken body to $92 million deal while he's already showing the cracks in his game for the past 2 years
* And most of all the team is already looking like they are missing the post season

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Oh my god "are the sharks suddenly the team to beat" is an echo of that 2014 thread ahahaha

 

[Bandit]

Just saw someone say that 1 on 1, prime Karlsson vs. prime Orr that Orr wouldn't be able to touch the puck. Pretty sure it wasn't sarcasm...

 

[No Name The Nameless]

If we trade Doughty, in 2 years the kids will then be ready for a run a couple of years later. I guarantee I’d go insane reading post after post with people complaining that trading Doughty was a big mistake and that keeping him would have been the difference. If we add Doughty to the team we’d be serious contenders etc. All whilst Doughty lifts a couple more cups wherever he ends up.

Doughty is the least of our problems, we’d regret moving him no matter what we get for him.

Saying DD is the least of our problems is like closing your eyes and going lalalala. He has been a problem. He may not be playing BAD, but he's not been good. When your veteran, team leader, one of the highest paid players in the sport is not giving it his all and complaining to the media that makes him a big problem.

His expectations are higher. His salary is higher. He has to bring it up in order to justify the loss in equity he carries.

 

[kovacro]

Just saw someone say that 1 on 1, prime Karlsson vs. prime Orr that Orr wouldn't be able to touch the puck. Pretty sure it wasn't sarcasm...

Karlsson couldn’t even hold Orr’s jockstrap.

Bobby was better on one leg than a healthy Karlsson.

 

[lexlavender]

Oh my god "are the sharks suddenly the team to beat" is an echo of that 2014 thread ahahaha

Peak HF Mainboard thread: Are the Sharks quietly roaring back to burn down your village?

 

[Choralone]

Peak HF Mainboard thread: Are the Sharks quietly roaring back to burn down your village?

Or, "Are we really going to pretend the Sharks aren't quietly roaring back to burn down your village.?

 

[KINGS17]

Just saw someone say that 1 on 1, prime Karlsson vs. prime Orr that Orr wouldn't be able to touch the puck. Pretty sure it wasn't sarcasm...

...said this Sharks fan.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Just saw someone say that 1 on 1, prime Karlsson vs. prime Orr that Orr wouldn't be able to touch the puck. Pretty sure it wasn't sarcasm...

Johnny come lately sports fans are special. Just like the Bills Mafia, they're stupid.

 

[The Tikkanen]

Johnny come lately sports fans are special. Just like the Bills Mafia, they're stupid.

At least the Bills Mafia sends themselves to the hospital with crippling back and neck injuries every Sunday.

 

[Rusty Batch]

Doughty is a defenseman and he's second on our team in scoring. And scoring isn't even his strength. He's an excellent puck mover and aggressive defensively.

People need to be realistic with just how awful this supporting cast is surrounding Kopitar and Doughty.

Blaming them is weird imo. They are two way players that play in every brutal situation surrounded by ahl caliber players.

Good news is we have one of the deepest prospect pools in the league. I'm confident this will turn around within two years. If it doesn't then we really blew it in the last few drafts.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

At least the Bills Mafia sends themselves to the hospital with crippling back and neck injuries every Sunday.

That’s true. These idiots who trash any previous Hall of Famers and their accomplishments seem to be suffering from crippling stupidity.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Lombardi had to gut the future to trade for players to fill the holes on the team to win when expectations were raised, and then couldn't draft enough quality players later to fill the holes left by the guys who had been traded for who had to leave due to the cap, age, or whatever. That's how you end up with large contracts and no depth.

 

[KingsHockey24]

Not sure where to post this but a WIP of my three favorite LA Kings.

 

[TopT]

the Kings biggest problem is Carter, he is a fringe NHLer at this point

 

[kings11]

the Kings biggest problem is Carter, he is a fringe NHLer at this point

I'll take this as you being disappointed with this season and sucking overall, but lets get one thing clear... Jeff Carter is still a good NHL player... overpaid salary hit wise but still good..

 

[johnjm22]

The Kings biggest problem is they don't have very many good players.

While the farm is deep, it's unlikely that our prospects make a significant impact in the NHL soon. By the time they do, our current good players will probably be aged out, and the cycle of suck will continue.

It's gonna be a long time folks.

 

[KingsHockey24]

The finished product.

Cliffy, Kovalchuk, and Frolov.

 

[kilowatt]

the Kings biggest problem is Carter, he is a fringe NHLer at this point

Is he? On a cost-per-point basis, he's worth more than Kopitar.

 

[Bandit]

the Kings biggest problem is Carter, he is a fringe NHLer at this point

Nah, the Kings biggest problem is that they just don't have much talent beyond Kopitar & Doughty, yet people still expect them to be good for reasons that flounder somewhere between denial and mental illness.

 

[kingsholygrail]

The finished product.

Cliffy, Kovalchuk, and Frolov.

Bishi versions?

 

[kilowatt]

Bishi versions?

nani?

 

[kilowatt]

Here's a fun look at who our most valuable players are on a cost-per-point basis:

Cost Per Point - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

All of our whipping boys are at the top.

Edit: I had non-RFA contracts highlighted; here's the whole team:

Cost Per Point - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps