Hope he continues to be the anti-Forbort where he starts weak and gets stronger. Speaking of which, I'm starting to wonder if DF has seen his last game in a Kings sweater. Back injuries are so unpredictable, last I heard there wasn't a timetable.
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Hope he continues to be the anti-Forbort where he starts weak and gets stronger. Speaking of which, I'm starting to wonder if DF has seen his last game in a Kings sweater. Back injuries are so unpredictable, last I heard there wasn't a timetable.
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Unfortunately I think it's obvious that once Forbort is healthy they're gonna scratch someone.
Forborts on this team because of his draft position. No other reason.
Think they're too wimp to call him a bust and just waive him already. Forbort is easily the worst defenseman on this team but for some reason he's got a guaranteed spot with the Kings.
He's on this team because he showed he could be a difference maker and was a huge factor in an effective PK.. His current injury isn't just a random occurrence, its likely the result of having played through severe injuries the past 2 seasons and now he's likely to be dog shit much to your delight. I'm willing to see what he has much like we waited for Carts, who by the way looks really good this season
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Carter deserved the benefit of doubt. Don't know what stellar play you've seen from Forbort to indicate he's gonna be good.
He's a 7th dman on most teams.
Hmm. Forbort hasn't been good since his first month or so on the roster. He's better than a lot of the other stuff we have right now, but on a team with a good defense he's a scratch.
He's been the best defensive partner Doughty has had in his 4 years in the league..
Forbort's best 2 seasons coincide with Drew last 2 great seasons.. And no, its not a fluke. When Borts went down before that VGK series, our defense took a big hit and its yet overcome it... I would also like to point out that we still had Muzzin and a still good Marty.. So again, His injuries must have been serious for him to have pretty much shy away from contact and try to play a finesse game as he has.
Wow, so again.. the dude was lights out his second season '17 and was above average in '18 stunk last season after offseason surgery and has been a no show this year because of what has likely been the same back ailment
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I was surprised Kempe did not get out in OT. Perfect time for Kempe to use his speed and skill. And he had already beaten Rask. Kempe does fine on breakaways and tic-tac-toe plays,
which both happen in OT....whereas they don't always happen 5 on 5. I would want Kempe out on any 4 on 4 or 3 on 3; even the first unit for those situations.
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uhh... He's been a detriment to Doughty since Doughty was always covering for his lack of ability in all facets.
Derek is that you?
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what? comparing clifford with Pasternak? why not show how many more saves rask has over clifford? or how many minutes cassidy has been in Boston over the last month versus mclellan?
what? comparing clifford with Pasternak? why not show how many more saves rask has over clifford? or how many minutes cassidy has been in Boston over the last month versus mclellan?
I take this as you being lazy and not really understanding or wanting to understand just how good Doughty was with a healthy Forbort.
Borts actually allowed Doughty to play his game or have you not noticed how shitty Drew has been this season? As much as you hate him, you should hate Martinez even more! His inability to clear anything has led to countless scoring opportunities. You want to talk about guys that mailed it in.. look no further than how Muzzin is playing on a winner or how Marty looks like shit but will likely play like a top 4 on a better team.. those are the guys you should have/should be ragging on
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I dunno, I think that Pastrnak vs Clifford match up is compelling.
Somehow the kings had the best D in the league with Forbort paired with Doughty, now they are 27th but better off.
I disagree with this sentiment. He was a severe hindrance to Doughty as a partner. He was definitely in over his head and other teams were able to capitalize on that. All of the analytics show that Doughty played worse with him as a partner and the eye test did as well. The opposition could key on him and force him to make a poor play with the puck. I think Forbort is a valuable bottom pairing Dman who can chip in on the PK, I do not think he is a top pairing guy and do not think he is a good compliment for Doughty.
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I think it's worth seeing what a healthy Forbort looks like in this system.
People saying he's not a partner for Doughty have a fair argument.
People saying he's a healthy scratch are out to absolute lunch.
People saying he's not a partner for Doughty have a fair argument.
People saying he's a healthy scratch are out to absolute lunch.
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gotta love this place. Best win of the season and there's a page of people bitching about Derek Forbert
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I think, at this point, Forbort is best as a #4 or #6.
He's not the kind to anchor a pair and take the lead. Maybe in this system he could settle in as a #2, but he plays within his means and makes low-risk, low-creative plays.
There's nothing inherently wrong with that. Rob Scuderi wasn't creative either. Forbort just hasn't shown that veteran savvy.
I do think people are overly critical of him, either way.
I think you have your years mixed up, and I don't think I would ever use the words "lights out" to describe Forbort.
He was fantastic when he came up in 15-16, great metrics and solid production, one of the best D on the team for the month he was here. But in 16-17, all of his metrics were terrible and it was reflected on the ice. His numbers were way worse than crippled Matt Greene and Tom freakin Gilbert for gods sake. The team completely leaked possession when he was on the ice, his metrics were terrible. He was OK in 17-18, far better than in 16-17, but average at best. He totally gets a pass from me for last season, but still he's just not that good of a player. The expectations on him are unfair because of where he was drafted, but let's call a spade a spade. He's a bottom pairing guy on a weaker team.
And I 100% think he's a scratch on a team with a good defense. Take current Forbort and then think about when the Kings had a good blueline. Would you play him over:
Regehr
Voynov
Mitchell
Martinez
Doughty
Muzzin
Johnson
Scuderi
Greene
I certainly wouldn't. He's an injury fill in at best from any of those teams from '10-'14.
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I’d have to see Forbort in the new system, once he’s up to speed to give a fair assessment on that. However, I’d say Ryan and MacD for sure, Hutton maybe, possibly even AMart whose play before injury had really tanked.
I completely agree with the view he’s a bottom pairing guy on a contender btw, but I do think #7 is a touch harsh. We are just over rating the majority of our blue line. The system protects our left sided D, which along with Walker and Roy really stepping up has made the left side guys look better than we expected.
If and when Forbort comes back in, he will need to be given time before we can fairly assess how he looks in the new world. I’d still trade him at the earliest opportunity as he doesn’t fit long term no matter how good he looks once he’s back. However it won’t be reasonable to start posting ‘see, I told you he’s a bust’ 2 games into his comeback. I know you won’t be able to stop yourself though
. Sorry, I’m just playing...I’ve seen a number of comments suggesting Forbort has had a significant back issue for 2-3 years. Is that actually true or speculation? It seems unlikely to me that he’s have been allowed to play through such a problem, especially once the rebuild was underway.
