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Saying Zadina has skating issues is like saying Kucherov has skating issues.
2018 NHL Entry Draft Thread (Less then 24 Hours Edition)
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c_robio
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He also has Hughes at 4th which I'm in agreement with. I realize it's an unpopular opinion but he says the statistics show he can defend well against college players which is different than junior aged players. Hes ranked 9th I believe by McKenzie
I really like the idea of targetting a pick in the 8-10 range for Hughes/Kotkaniemi, preferably by trading Pacioretty and then moving up if needed
I really like the idea of targetting a pick in the 8-10 range for Hughes/Kotkaniemi, preferably by trading Pacioretty and then moving up if needed
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Everett Silvertips scout Doug Sinclair was on the Silvertips broadcast tonight and just had this exchange after the game ended regarding Wylie and how remarkable his defense was tonight
Sinclair: *laughing*
Benton: Are you just wow-ing at the whole theatre here?
Sinclair: Just defense. Just defense. Wyatte's defense, shutdown... man, he's gotta work on that defensive stick, getting them (the puck) out a little harder, but other than that, Jesus, it was a nice lockdown effort. Wow.....
Wylie also had 6 shots tonight on top of his defensive performance.
Sinclair: *laughing*
Benton: Are you just wow-ing at the whole theatre here?
Sinclair: Just defense. Just defense. Wyatte's defense, shutdown... man, he's gotta work on that defensive stick, getting them (the puck) out a little harder, but other than that, Jesus, it was a nice lockdown effort. Wow.....
Wylie also had 6 shots tonight on top of his defensive performance.
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Rick Dudley has an history of trading down at the draft. 100% sure he negociate something with his buddy Marc so he can pick Zadina at 3 to play with Necas while getting an extra pick
WinterLion
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Cool!! Thanks for sharing. That's a great list and a very good read. I definitely share this guys opinion on many things...
HuGort
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As mentioned by many, it's such a crap year to have a high pick. Zadina seems to be the consensus #3, but I worry about the long term value of drafting a winger.
Again like many, I think Svechnikov is on a different level and can be a legitimate play driver, but what can we realistically expect from Zadina? He's a great prospect, but can you legitimately project him to be a better player than Michael Ryder? Yes, he's miles ahead of Ryder as a draft eligible prospect, but Ryder proved to be basically a 30 goal, 60 point winger, who didn't provide much value other than offense. Historically speaking, I don't think we can expect more out of a winger drafted at #3.
So then what are the odds he'll be better than that and more of a 35 goal, 70 point guy (or more) who doesn't provide much value other than offense? And what would his salary be at that kind of production? And would that kind of player be worth that kind of salary?
Finally, what are the odds he'll be a 30-35, 60-70 point (or more) well rounded winger? That kind of winger could legitimately be worth a high salary, but, realistically speaking, what are the odds Zadina becomes that guy?
If we draft him, I'll hope for the best and love the goals, but, in a new age of valuing players, drafting a winger seems like drafting a corner outfielder or even a first baseman in baseball. They generally have to provide significantly more offense to overcome their positional disadvantage to produce similar value.
Again like many, I think Svechnikov is on a different level and can be a legitimate play driver, but what can we realistically expect from Zadina? He's a great prospect, but can you legitimately project him to be a better player than Michael Ryder? Yes, he's miles ahead of Ryder as a draft eligible prospect, but Ryder proved to be basically a 30 goal, 60 point winger, who didn't provide much value other than offense. Historically speaking, I don't think we can expect more out of a winger drafted at #3.
So then what are the odds he'll be better than that and more of a 35 goal, 70 point guy (or more) who doesn't provide much value other than offense? And what would his salary be at that kind of production? And would that kind of player be worth that kind of salary?
Finally, what are the odds he'll be a 30-35, 60-70 point (or more) well rounded winger? That kind of winger could legitimately be worth a high salary, but, realistically speaking, what are the odds Zadina becomes that guy?
If we draft him, I'll hope for the best and love the goals, but, in a new age of valuing players, drafting a winger seems like drafting a corner outfielder or even a first baseman in baseball. They generally have to provide significantly more offense to overcome their positional disadvantage to produce similar value.
Pompeius Magnus
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You've been a consistent fan of the guy for the whole year, to the point where you're really selling me on the idea of getting him with one of our mid-round picks. Our WHL dman all had decent to very good 17-18 so we might be on to something there. If we do end up picking him I'll think of you for sure !
WinterLion
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That's an interesting take about the positions... I'm not sure it is that dire, but definitely true to some extent. There are a lot of wingers who are nowadays proving to be more valuable overall. Those point totals would obviously be great. I think the hopes would be that Zadina has the type of overall offensive impact as a guy like Kucherov... which would obviously be out of this world...
Pompeius Magnus
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Pure goal scoring skills tends to translate very well to the pros. I really think Zadina's floor is pretty high, i.e a top 6 caliber winger production wise . In a context where we might trade Max Pac, I'll take that for sure. The more I look at the rest of the potential top ten, the more I see uncertainties and floors that won't be quite as high. I don't like looking at it from a floor based standpoint but sometimes it's the smart strategy.
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I get what you mean but Zadina is a lot more intense and involved in the play than people give him credit for. He's a hound on the puck and his defensive play will only get better with time. Right now, he's far from a floater/lazy sniper type.
The way I see it is if Svech or Zadina are elite wingers then you take one of them. We are trading Patches, can also then looking at moving Chucky. So it frees up another asset. I damn MB / CJ for not trying Chucky at centre when he had improved his all around game and we were out of it, let alone when we had freaken Byron at centre.
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To the Habs, we need some justice meted out by our defence, having Wyatt, Noah, Joshua & Victor to help our veterans.
Adding Adam(Boqvist) as our #3 OV of course would be monumental IMHO!!!...
Those defencemen as the Habs corps in the future, with Weber tutoring them in the finer points of defence, along with Lernout being the enforcer, Golden IMHO!!!...
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Interesting. Especially with Carolina who have not draft a single Russian since 2001. Your theory is very plausible and if it happen to be true, I'll be happy. Reading this board it seems like Svechnikov is one notch above Zadina.
WinterLion
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What's the gain in dealing Galchenyuk? We'd go from a position of strength on the wings to below average real quick.
I am a Chucky supporter but if he could help us get the Centre(s) and PMLD we need then I look at it.
CapSpace
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If we are to trade with the goddamn Rangers I want their 3 1st round picks for our 3rd overall. Nothing less.
Any player should be up for grabs if they could help us get a top center and that includes Drouin, Weber, Carey and our 3rd overall pick. But no team is going to trade you a young #1 center for them.
And if you're not getting a potential top line caliber center back for Galchenyuk then there is no value in dealing him in a lateral move as we'd also be bad on the wings now.
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Not if you believe in the second half production of Lehkonen and Hudon. If you think they will keep progressing, and you’re drafting Zadina, you should be okay.
We'd have Zadina and Gallagher as our only top 6 wings since Drouin would still be at center. Not excluding the chance Lehkonen becomes one but he still has some improving to do before getting there. Though I'll admit this draft could net us a few more potential 6 wings.
It makes no sense to trade Chucky for a 2C. Might as well just keep him and play him there.
I am open to moving anybody, including Weber and Price, but I know MB won't so I stopped making proposals involving them.
On Chucky, say the Canes were open to moving Hanifin and wanted Chucky as part of the return, would I do it ? Likely yes. But look, I would have tried Chucky at centre again, real shame to lose this guy, but I know they won't try him there.
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It depends what we are offered. He is UFA in two years and Julien does not seem like a fan so I don't expect him given a fair chance to develop his game here. That being said if we do trade him it would require to fill a need.
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Id do it 25 times because theyll use Galchenyuk at C and then Bergevin will look like a Pejorative Slur.
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