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2018 NHL Entry Draft Thread (Less then 24 Hours Edition)

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Janne Niinimaa said:
In the end, i don't think this draft is as good as it was hyped to be. Amazing top 2 but between 3-10 then 11-15 is a cluster of players.
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It's a good draft as far as depth goes, I think there are good players all the way to the end of the second and beginning of the third. After that, I don't think we will see much come out of the draft.

I definitely think the guys that go in the 6-10 range will end up better than the guys who go from 3-5. Would not shock me at all if Wahlstrom outshines Zadina/Tkachuk, Boqvist/Dobson outshine Bouchard.
 
WeThreeKings said:
Yeah.. I don't really see Zadina being rated over the big, right handed C who nearly had 100 pts in the WHL in his draft year or the supremely talented Swedish kid who was putting up ridiculous numbers in a mens league and then just went out and broke more records this year.

Any GM selecting Zadina over those two are as stupid as the two groups that took Heiskanen and Makar over them.
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Glass had 32 goals and 94 pts in 69 games. Zadina in 69 games would be on pace for 53 goals and 99 pts. The latter is much more impressive.

Also, Zadina got almost the same point total as Hischier had in his draft year. Ignoring team needs, Zadina could have went 2nd overall last year
 
It's probably been answered a few times but simply put, is there fair depth in 2nd/3rd rounds of this draft? Like I'm not asking if it's a stud draft or anything, just if our 2nds can potentially pick up a few good players.
 
WeThreeKings said:
You'd change your tune as soon as the Habs drafted him, tho.
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Not at all, I'd be melting down worse than you last year lol. I really don't view Kotkaniemi as a cut above Poehling. We have a future #2 in Ryan, drafting Kotkaniemi because he's a C would be lunacy. We need a true #1 C, but that guy isn't in this draft. I'd be happy to trade Pacioretty for a pick in the 8-12 range and take Kotkaniemi though.
 
WeThreeKings said:
It's a good draft as far as depth goes, I think there are good players all the way to the end of the second and beginning of the third. After that, I don't think we will see much come out of the draft.

I definitely think the guys that go in the 6-10 range will end up better than the guys who go from 3-5. Would not shock me at all if Wahlstrom outshines Zadina/Tkachuk, Boqvist/Dobson outshine Bouchard.
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Depth wise yes but I don't think 1st is as strong as it was made out to be.
 
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KawaYui said:
Glass had 32 goals and 94 pts in 69 games. Zadina in 69 games would be on pace for 53 goals and 99 pts. The latter is much more impressive.

Also, Zadina got almost the same point total as Hischier had in his draft year. Ignoring team needs, Zadina could have went 2nd overall last year
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The latter is not more impressive. WHL is a tougher league to score in and there is absolutely merit in a centers production versus a wingers.

As a Mooseheads fan who watched both of these players in their draft year.. Hischier is a tier above Zadina. Zadina has a better shot and there's no disputing that.. but Hischier is a much better prospect at a much more coveted position.
 
DramaticGloveSave said:
Not at all, I'd be melting down worse than you last year lol. I really don't view Kotkaniemi as a cut above Poehling. We have a future #2 in Ryan, drafting Kotkaniemi because he's a C would be lunacy. We need a true #1 C, but that guy isn't in this draft. I'd be happy to trade Pacioretty for a pick in the 8-12 range and take Kotkaniemi though.
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Would be hard to top that.. I was really drunk.

I will definitely top it if we draft Tkachuk at 3. Continue the legacy.
 
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DramaticGloveSave said:
Not at all, I'd be melting down worse than you last year lol. I really don't view Kotkaniemi as a cut above Poehling. We have a future #2 in Ryan, drafting Kotkaniemi because he's a C would be lunacy. We need a true #1 C, but that guy isn't in this draft. I'd be happy to trade Pacioretty for a pick in the 8-12 range and take Kotkaniemi though.
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Poehling, if all goes right, might be a good #2C. Likely a good #3C or decent #2C. Kotkaniemi is miles ahead offensively and can be a #1C or very good #2.
 
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Janne Niinimaa said:
Poehling, if all goes right, might be a good #2C. Likely a good #3C or decent #2C. Kotkaniemi is miles ahead offensively and can be a #1C or very good #2.
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Poehling only went where he went last year because of the absurdly good C class.

Kotkaniemi is only getting top 10 love because of this year absurdly poor C class.

Both are #2 Cs in my book. Kotkaniemi might be a bit more productive offensively, but Poehling is going to be a 2 way stud. They are the same tier.
 
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DramaticGloveSave said:
I think the group think that occurs on this board is clouding everyones minds....
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Before the U-18 tournament.. I had Akil Thomas ahead of Kotkaniemi, partly due to lack of exposure to Kotkaniemi since the FEL is a lot harder for me to see. That's changed. But it had nothing to do with a 'group think', at all.

I wouldn't take Kotkaniemi at 3, but I also wouldn't take Zadina or Tkachuk at 3. All I have ever said is the following

Condition 1: The Habs have identified Kotkaniemi as #2 or #3 on their draft board.
Condition 2: Kotkaniemi is on the board.

That they should just suck it up and pick him there, rather than risking a trade down and having someone below you thinking the same thing about the prospect.

The only time you trade down is this
Condition: Your number 1 and 2 prospect are off the board.
Condition: The team inquiring for your draft pick is within the range of your next clustered group of prospects
Condition: The view all players in that range as equal and are fine with whoever is left on your board when you go back up.
 
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DramaticGloveSave said:
Poehling only went where he went last year because of the absurdly good C class.

Kotkaniemi is only getting top 10 love because of this year absurdly poor C class.

Both are #2 Cs in my book. Kotkaniemi might be a bit more productive offensively, but Poehling is going to be a 2 way stud. They are the same tier.
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Poehling does not have the offence in his game to be a true top 6 centre. He might be #2 on our team because of how bad our C depth is. Kotkaniemi does literally everything in the offensive zone better. Hands and shot are WAY ahead. For how good Poehling is, Kotkaniemi pick pockets like a champ and has great defensive IQ.

I used to say Veleno and Hayton were close to Kotkaniemi. I was very wrong. Poehling is in that tier. Maybe even a tad behind.
 
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Poehling is on track to be a #2, let's be clear on that first. If you think Kot is more than that, fine, but I don't think he is. Oike the player, just not at 3.
 
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DramaticGloveSave said:
Poehling is on track to be a #2, let's be clear on that first. If you think Kot is more than that, fine, but I don't think he is. Oike the player, just not at 3.
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I agree 3 is high for him. But there is no player that is super deserving at 3 that is clearly above the pack, which is what I meant about this draft not being as strong as expected.

We can agree to disagree that Poehling is clearly on track of being a true #2 C.
 
WeThreeKings said:
The latter is not more impressive. WHL is a tougher league to score in and there is absolutely merit in a centers production versus a wingers.

As a Mooseheads fan who watched both of these players in their draft year.. Hischier is a tier above Zadina. Zadina has a better shot and there's no disputing that.. but Hischier is a much better prospect at a much more coveted position.
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Based on what?
The 3rd best scorer of the QMJHL this year is Alain (the guy we signed) with 87 pts. The 21st best scorer of the whl has 87 pt.

Seems like the QMJHL is much harder to score in than the whl.

Sure Hischier is above (not as much as you made it sound tho), and thats why I said Zadina could go 2nd overall last year.
 
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KawaYui said:
Based on what?
The 3rd best scorer of the QMJHL this year is Alain (the guy we signed) with 87 pts. The 21st best scorer of the whl has 87 pt.

Seems like the QMJHL is much harder to score in than the whl.

Sure Hischier is above (not as much as you made it sound tho), and thats why I said Zadina could go 2nd overall last year.
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He couldn't and wouldn't.. and the WHL historically is the league the most like the NHL in terms of playing style. The point totals in the QMJHL aren't all that high this year because there isn't a lot of talent league wide there. It's a down crop for the Q.
 
WeThreeKings said:
He couldn't and wouldn't.. and the WHL historically is the league the most like the NHL in terms of playing style. The point totals in the QMJHL aren't all that high this year because there isn't a lot of talent league wide there. It's a down crop for the Q.
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Its the same for the other years. QMJHL being an easier league is just a myth.
 
Kotkienemi has 1C potential... not Sydney Crosby 1C potential... He is more creative and has better vision than Poehling. If all goes well, they would make a very respectable pair as top 6 C's. IF all goes well...

I really don't have a problem with him at 3... but I think we will have fallen in love with one of the others. Certainly if you think any of those guys can be more than very good NHLers you take that one... right now I've watched quite a bit of all of them and I'm not sure if any of them will do that... and I'm also not sure that it won't be Kotkienemi.
 
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