WeThreeKings
Demidov is a HAB
There's really no difference from 3-9 so to "win" 3rd is the total bummer of it all.
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GREMLIN
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That’s Pejorative Slured.
You are a knowledgeable poster and you’re more often right than you’re wrong when it comes to prospects but this is one of your hot takes that is just incredibly stupid.
WeThreeKings
Demidov is a HAB
It's not "f***ed" almost every scouting agency or media personality agrees. There's Dahlin then Svechnikov then there's the wingers Tkachuk, Zadina and Wahlstrom with the group of defense not far behind which is Dobson, Boqvist, Bouchard and Hughes.
It's like an exaggerated version of last year where there was Hischier and Patrick, then the next group of prospects were all hotly debated as there was no clear three.
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I agree with @WeThreeKings there is a bigger difference between 2 and 3 than like 3 and 7, so "winning" 3 isn't much of an advantage. Also the guy you want at 3 could very well still have been available at 5-6-7 anyway since they are so many debatable options at 3.
It's so silly that Pettersson made it to 5. I feel bad that I had him ranked 4th. SMH.
WeThreeKings
Demidov is a HAB
It's ridiculous. He was in the conversation with Hischier for me. I have no doubts he will be better than Patrick but certainly easily better than Makar lol
WeThreeKings
Demidov is a HAB
Let me also quantify that if we had a GM that I completely trusted and an organizational philosophy that was relevant to this decade. Winning three would be awesome because a group of competent individuals would be getting an earlier shot at the guy they want.
But since we have Bergy and clown Churla and they are all concerned about character and attitude rather than skill, it paves the way for a reach on a lesser player.
Also you have to be concerned with MBs comments about being open to trade the 3. The scramble to contend... For the wildcard spot.. is real. Our second round picks which should be going to drafting and building our future.. are most definitely out for auction.
What could be a promising turning point for the franchise (like the 2016 draft) is likely to be the last big debacle created by Molson being too cheap and short sighted to fire a desperate GM who's clearly not good enough.
But since we have Bergy and clown Churla and they are all concerned about character and attitude rather than skill, it paves the way for a reach on a lesser player.
Also you have to be concerned with MBs comments about being open to trade the 3. The scramble to contend... For the wildcard spot.. is real. Our second round picks which should be going to drafting and building our future.. are most definitely out for auction.
What could be a promising turning point for the franchise (like the 2016 draft) is likely to be the last big debacle created by Molson being too cheap and short sighted to fire a desperate GM who's clearly not good enough.
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This, exactly this.
I mentioned this in the draft GDT, sincr half the place was losing their minds about how better Zadina was than anyone there.
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I feel like there is going to be an endless debate here about who should go #3.
WeThreeKings
Demidov is a HAB
I've just accepted it's Tkachuk and we are losing 2 2nd round picks at least in this draft.
WeThreeKings
Demidov is a HAB
0.3% chance. When your GM is open to trading the 3rd overall pick then the focus is completely on trying to make the playoffs.
Just never know. Canes owner is a meddler and wants immediate results ie play offs. Canes want to be tougher. Maybe they are looking at doing something stupid and would take Tkachuk at 3 and so be willing to trade their 2nd OA.
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Sure you can debate that the gap isn’t that big between a couple of guys but there is a difference in having the luxury of choosing. And really, Hughes, Boqvist, Kotkaniemi, Wahlstrom, Tkachuk, Dobson, Bouchard are all over the place from ranking to ranking while Zadina is the one guy that is constantly top 4, that tells me there is value in picking 3rd.
The later you pick the riskier it gets, some of the guys that you place as equal have some considerable flaws and could end up being average players, Zadina is obviously going to be very good. To me, the biggest difference between 3 and 9 doesn’t come to upside, it’s the downside that increases the further you drop in the top 10.
Anyway, I want Zadina and could live with Boqvist at 3, if we’re not going to do that I agree trading back a little gets interesting but it would also be a greedy thing to do as you might end up stuck with Bouchard and a couple 2nd rounders that are far from a sure thing.
And the #3 from last year was debated, sure, but Heiskanen, like Zadina, was as close as you got to consensus and he clearly looks like an awesome pick one year after. He was 3rd on Bobby Mac’s list, the other lists are just noise to me, Zadina will be 3rd on his final list and he’s a really good bet to be a great pick with very little downside, we should be very happy with that.
The later you pick the riskier it gets, some of the guys that you place as equal have some considerable flaws and could end up being average players, Zadina is obviously going to be very good. To me, the biggest difference between 3 and 9 doesn’t come to upside, it’s the downside that increases the further you drop in the top 10.
Anyway, I want Zadina and could live with Boqvist at 3, if we’re not going to do that I agree trading back a little gets interesting but it would also be a greedy thing to do as you might end up stuck with Bouchard and a couple 2nd rounders that are far from a sure thing.
And the #3 from last year was debated, sure, but Heiskanen, like Zadina, was as close as you got to consensus and he clearly looks like an awesome pick one year after. He was 3rd on Bobby Mac’s list, the other lists are just noise to me, Zadina will be 3rd on his final list and he’s a really good bet to be a great pick with very little downside, we should be very happy with that.
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In Buttons mock draft he has Montreal taking Zadina (not a surpirse) but he has Chicago taking Kotkaniemi as the first centre taken.
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Moving up to #3 obviously can't be a bad thing, it is just that we didn't win much, particularly when you envision for 2 hours about the likely possibility of landing on either Dahlin or Svech.
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Yeah, Svechnikov is better than the rest, that goes without saying.
I just disagree that here is no advantage at all in picking 3rd or later. You might agree that the advantage isn’t huge, which is probably true, but at least you get to pick your guy, it’s just a stupid way to go about it, no players are perfectly equal, especially not 6 to 7 guys, because that’s essentially the way WTK makes it sound, like there is no difference whatsoever in the odds of getting a great player between picking 3rd or 8th.
Why wouldn't he be open to trading that pick?
He would be dumb to not consider that possibility.
But he did say, that after suffering all year like the Habs have, it would take a very, very good offer for them to move it.
What's wrong with that?
Seems like a reasonable stance
And endless posts about how the Habs are going to end up with the absolute worst scenario/player at #3 overall.
This. And if I'm not mistaken, they never drafted a Russian in the first round... Also, for all the prospects getting a push from U18, Don't forget that 2 players can do the same with World Championship (Zadina and Hughes). What if Zadina goes on a tear and score 4 or 5?
I think it's huge for Hughes (no pun intended). If he shows he's not overwhelmed by big NHL players, I think he will answers a lot of questions and could be a consideration for 3rd.
There is just 0 confidence in MB and every glass is half empty, which is understandable. Throw in MB has his job tied in with making the play offs next season and it sets the stage for moves being geared to just that, and not to building for a legitimate Cup contender.
Carolina scouts should be shown the door if they pass on the clear cut BPA on the basis that Zadina showed chemistry with one of their prospects (who hasn't played an NHL game himself) during a short sample tournament.
Habs76
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Watching the bronze medal game rn, and I must say its refreshing to see suck a skilled player like Berggren go to the net.
Also, I'm rooting for this Klejna fella to beat the odds. Small, and gritty, and he plays like he's 6'4".
Also, I'm rooting for this Klejna fella to beat the odds. Small, and gritty, and he plays like he's 6'4".
Not sure Carolina goes for Svechnikov.
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