2018 NHL Entry Draft Thread (Less then 24 Hours Edition)

[WeThreeKings]

That's right. Zadina is not the clear BPA.

It's equally disingenuous to suggest Dobson is BPA over "immediate need" Zadina. If anyone should be labelled as BPA over Zadina, it's Tkachuk, not Dobson. Only 1/10 had Tkachuk out of their top 5, while 6/10 had Dobson out of their top 5.

BPA is entirely fluid based on the scouting group you are talking about. It only makes sense when you are talking about prospects who are clearly on different tiers. It's like when Smith is on the board and all the other top 11 are gone.. not taking him would indicate you didn't take BPA because you have now reached down a tier.

Dahlin
Tier
Svech
Tier
Zadina Tkachuk Kotkaniemi Bouchard Dobson Boqvist wahlstrom Kravtsov Smith
Tier

Within the tiers, the term BPA really depends on what skills, traits, positional value attributes matter most to a team. A team who plays a heavy game will certainly favor Tkachuk over Wahlstrom. Where teams who favor pure skill would have Wahlstrom ahead in theory.

 

[Runner77]

Burns me that the No. 3 for O'Reilly was tossed out there, legit or not.

Wish I hadn't read that.

Except that you read it from someone who isn't a reliable source. And you're bound to see lots more where that came from.

All part of the nutty week we're in.

 

[Sam I Am]

That is a great draft!!

Zadina, followed by two centermen with a lot of promise, Dellandria and O'Brien. I'll take that.

 

[GregSirico]

Hey Habs fans,

Seeing the ROR rumors out there, would MTL have any interest in trading w/ NYR? I know for a fact we can beat that package.

 

[jaffy27]

Hey Habs fans,

Seeing the ROR rumors out there, would MTL have any interest in trading w/ NYR? I know for a fact we can beat that package.

Well without further ado, spill your proposal mate......whatcha offering!!!

 

[NotProkofievian]

Hey Habs fans,

Seeing the ROR rumors out there, would MTL have any interest in trading w/ NYR? I know for a fact we can beat that package.

What do you want for Chytil?

 

[GregSirico]

Well without further ado, spill your proposal mate......whatcha offering!!!

Hayes, the 9th OA, the 28th OA ... essentially 3 firsts

 

[jaffy27]

Hayes, the 9th OA, the 28th OA ... essentially 3 firsts

 

[WeThreeKings]

Timmins just had a live video on Facebook

They want players no matter WHERE they come from. So that should make TVA and RDS mad.

Timmins said Brady himself doesn't see himself as a C. so there you go.

 

[philipsson]

For my top 93, I decided to do things a bit differently. A cursory glance will show that I didn't include several big names. I don't necessarily have this players are no drafts, only I'm far lower on them than the rest of the world. If I'm too much lower on a player than the rest of the world, I just cut them from the list. Essentially, I'm just not willing to pay the price to get them. The first list contains only first year eligibles, and no goalies. The second list contains only draft re-entries. The third list contains the most loathsome position, goaltenders, one of whom is a re-entry.

Couple notes: David Gustafsson fell quite a bit from where I had him all season. I decided to put him as low as possible while still being ahead of the highest ranking of whom I am aware. Between the ears, he is a first round talent. But let's get the best price for him. O'Brien vs Morozov: this is one of those situations where I want both, so I adjusted my ranking to reflect the reality of where you will be able to pick these players. How to mix the lists? Up to you, but I feel pretty strongly about my rankings until the 50's. After that point you can take what you want from any of them.

First years:

1	Dahlin
2	Svechnikov
3	Kotkaniemi
4	Wahlstrom
5	Dobson
6	Zadina
7	Hughes
8	Kravtsov
9	Boqvist
10	Tkachuk
11	Berggren
12	Smith
13	Farabee
14	Bouchard
15	Kupari
16	Hayton
17	Denisenko
18	Kaut
19	Alexeyev
20	Lundeström
21	Dellandrea
22	Lundkvist
23	K'Andre Miller
24	Bokk
25	Foudy
26	Ylönen
27	Hållander
28	Sandin
29	Eriksson
30	Noel
31	Olofsson
32	McLeod
33	O'Brien
34	Addison
35	Tychonick
36	Morozov
37	Nordgren
38	Beaudin
39	M. Samuelsson
40	Gustafsson
41	Thomas
42	Jenik
43	Bernard-Docker
44	Demin
45	Hillis
46	Lauko
47	Regula
48	Iskhakov
49	Ragnarsson
50	F. Johansson
51	Fonstad
52	Fehervary
53	Topping
54	Drury
55	Roman
56	Zhuravlyov
57	A. Andersson
58	SDA
59	Kral
60	L. Karlsson
61	Gogolev
62	Shafigullin
63	Kurashev
64	Steeves
65	Wise
66	Gruden
67	McShane
68	Dunkley
69	Fagemo
70	Wylie
71	Bäck
72	Vallati
73	Zabransky
74	Bahl
75	Jenkins
76	Stastney
77	Pekar
78	Barteaux
79	Emberson
80	Weiss
81	Eggenberger
82	McShane
83	Stotts
84	Salmela
85	Florchuk
86	Marchenko
87	Ranta
88	Pekar
89	Plasek
90	Gross
91	Berni
92	Madden
93	J. Harris

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Re-entry:

1	Almeida
2	Keane
3	Hutsko
4	E. Emanuelsson
5	J. Sellgren
6	Sharangovich
7	Perunovich
8	Mascherin
9	Khodorenko
10	Yeryomenko
11	Nyman
12	S. Johansson
13	Durzi
14	Brazeau
15	Lahtinen
16	Pajuniemi
17	Vorobey
18	Dewar
19	Saigeon
20	Salda

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Goalies:

1	Skarek
2	Dostal
3	Rodrigue
4	Annunen
5	Lindbom
6	Vehvilainen
7	Miftakov
8	Isayev
9	Myrenberg
10	Karki

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Great lists, thanks for sharing it ! There's 2 McShane in the first list (67 and 82). And who are the guys you have far lower than everybody (those not on list). I can think of Groulx, Merkley, McIsaac, but other than that ? Nice and bold to see Berggren at 11, we would be SO lucky if we could grab him early 2nd round or even trade up to get him late 1st !

 

[Runner77]

Hey Habs fans,

Seeing the ROR rumors out there, would MTL have any interest in trading w/ NYR? I know for a fact we can beat that package.

Hey Ranger fan -- no. Don't trust Gorton, he's a shark. And our guy, well ... let's not talk about it.

 

[GregSirico]

I know it's an over payment, but I would be comfortable with it because we move depth (C) for need (Wing)

 

[GregSirico]

Hey Ranger fan -- no. Don't trust Gorton, he's a shark. And our guy, well ... let's not talk about it.

The only reason you wouldn't do the deal I suggested is if you don't trust your org to draft well.

 

[jaffy27]

Hey Ranger fan -- no. Don't trust Gorton, he's a shark. And our guy, well ... let's not talk about it.

Oh come on man, have a little faith

Lol

 

[Ozmodiar]

BPA is entirely fluid based on the scouting group you are talking about. It only makes sense when you are talking about prospects who are clearly on different tiers. It's like when Smith is on the board and all the other top 11 are gone.. not taking him would indicate you didn't take BPA because you have now reached down a tier.

Dahlin
Tier
Svech
Tier
Zadina Tkachuk Kotkaniemi Bouchard Dobson Boqvist wahlstrom Kravtsov Smith
Tier

Within the tiers, the term BPA really depends on what skills, traits, positional value attributes matter most to a team. A team who plays a heavy game will certainly favor Tkachuk over Wahlstrom. Where teams who favor pure skill would have Wahlstrom ahead in theory.

It's more fine-grained than what you're suggesting. I doubt there's a team who would take Wahlstrom (or any of the last 3) over Tkachuk, regardless of preferred style. Only 1/10 polled had Tkachuk out of their top 5.

All these biases you mentioned are already factored in to the rankings. For example, the positional bias of scouts was likely at play to land Kotka at #5, but it still wasn't enough to vault him to #3. Despite a league-wide love for 2-way, minute-eating defensemen, and big centers with all the tools, two wingers still top the list in "Tier 3". If they were all so close that it comes down to team preference - in this league, in 2018 - then it would be centers and d-men at the top of the list.

 

[GregSirico]

What do you want for Chytil?

The pieces for me that we cannot part with are

Chytil
Shestyorkin
9th overall (unless it's to stay in the top 10)
Zibanejad (unless I am blown away)

 

[Runner77]

The only reason you wouldn't do the deal I suggested is if you don't trust your org to draft well.

We're in a phase where most of us don't trust our management, period. Status quo is best course of action in order to buy time for the next GM.

 

[Runner77]

Oh come on man, have a little faith

Lol

Ott, Martinsen, Flynn, Streit, Alzner, King ... and so much more deadwood.

The same people who brought us these gems are still advising Bergevin on the pro scouting side. Only 4 part time scouts have been replaced on the amateur side, it's the same contingent basically. Doesn't exactly inspire confidence. Gorton is a better horsetrader than Bergevin, he'd own him.

 

[GregSirico]

We're in a phase where most of us don't trust our management, period. Status quo is best course of action in order to buy time for the next GM.

I can understand that. Either way, the offer is MORE than fair and I know for a fact NYR would be open for business.

 

[Runner77]

I can understand that. Either way, the offer is MORE than fair and I know for a fact NYR would be open for business.

I've seen Brooksie's pieces, your guy is actively seeking deals. At least you won't get fleeced.

 

[GregSirico]

I've seen Brooksie's pieces, your guy is actively seeking deals. At least you won't get fleeced.

The Rangers have put themselves in a position to be successful for a long time. Having 10 picks in this draft (3 in the first round) + 30M in cap space + 5 RFA's that are quite attractive to other teams is a nice pool to improve the long term outlook of the franchise.

 

[Runner77]

The Rangers have put themselves in a position to be successful for a long time. Having 10 picks in this draft (3 in the first round) + 30M in cap space + 5 RFA's that are quite attractive to other teams is a nice pool to improve the long term outlook of the franchise.

I particularly like the fact that the NYR announced their colors and acted accordingly. No BS. You can only set yourself up to trade for missing pieces down the line without overpaying if you have accumulated quality organizational depth. It reduces your reliance on the UFA market which more often than not carries a huge downside risk.

 

[jaffy27]

Ott, Martinsen, Flynn, Streit, Alzner, King ... and so much more deadwood.

The same people who brought us these gems are still advising Bergevin on the pro scouting side. Only 4 part time scouts have been replaced on the amateur side, it's the same contingent basically. Doesn't exactly inspire confidence. Gorton is a better horsetrader than Bergevin, he'd own him.

One would think that he’s come to the conclusion that deadwood just don’t burn good.......needs to stockpile on oak and maple, leave the waterlogged poplar pieces behind.

Bergy’s last line of defence on Hf hangs on the success of this draft and his moves.....29.5hrs to go

 

[Runner77]

One would think that he’s come to the conclusion that deadwood just don’t burn good.......needs to stockpile on oak and maple, leave the waterlogged poplar pieces behind.

Bergy’s last line of defence on Hf hangs on the success of this draft and his moves.....29.5hrs to go

I'm glad you've put a timer on him except that we're really only going to know how well he's drafted, 2-3 years from now. Are we really going to wait that long to find out if he's gotten it right?

The better barometer on the short term will be how he manages his trades, UFA signings if any and the Cap in the next year. And whether he's traded away any futures for a short term run, which would be completely insane.

 

[Andrei79]

I love Hughes. Skill/IQ/Skating is just off the charts.

Truth. In any other year hed be much higher, I love his game. Pure skill and smarts.