2018 NHL Entry Draft Thread (Less then 24 Hours Edition)

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Pretty good highlight video showing Jesperi as a 15/16 year old in Jr A, as well as some plays that didn't make his Liiga goal/assist highlight reel.


As much as we need a number one center, I just don`t see it in this guy, he is big and has talent, but most of how he creates offense will not translate to the NHL level, I see second line winger written all over him. Take Zadina, tank and hope for one of the 6-7 elite centers from next year`s class.
 
I have not because I am flirting with doing a short list instead.. really cutting it down and saying, would I be happy that the Habs selected this player? Even if I think that say McIsaac will be a second pairing D man, would I be happy with them selecting him? If not then maybe I leave him off my list..

I'm really experimenting this year since the whole Poehling thing where I had a guy on my list right where we picked him but that was simply due to the likelihood of him being picked there and his safe upside

So we will see.

I'm going to submit a list of 100 skaters the day before the draft. Goalies will be a separate list.
 
As much as we need a number one center, I just don`t see it in this guy, he is big and has talent, but most of how he creates offense will not translate to the NHL level, I see second line winger written all over him. Take Zadina, tank and hope for one of the 6-7 elite centers from next year`s class.

Go on.
 

Perhaps not translate was the wrong choice of words, in order to translate he will have to get much stronger and much quicker making him a bigger question mark than I am comfortable with a 3rd overall. I see him as more of a puck protection player and although he isn`t slow, he is not fast enough to make those same plays against 1st pairing d-men in the NHL. And although he does have decent vision, I really don`t see an elite playmaker at the next level in his game, and again, something I want from a lottery pick center.
I just think at this point we are all getting a bit of tunnel vision when it comes to drafting a number one center, I`m just as sick of the Desharnais and Danaults playing on the first line as everyone else, but take the potential 40 goal scorer at 3, tank and draft a couple centers next year.

I still think the Kid has NHL potential, but not as team`s top pivot and certainly not with the pressure of being the Habs best center in 20 years.
 
I've seen enough flashes to have faith in Kotkaniemi's top 6 center potential but I can totally see how people would concider him more of a winger at the next level. It really comes down to how much better he can become and if he can keep his current development curve going. The jump from his injury laden 16 year old season to his pro player 17 year old season has been pretty amazing . Not quite Sasha Barkov level obviously but not all that far off from it.
 
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Perhaps not translate was the wrong choice of words, in order to translate he will have to get much stronger and much quicker making him a bigger question mark than I am comfortable with a 3rd overall. I see him as more of a puck protection player and although he isn`t slow, he is not fast enough to make those same plays against 1st pairing d-men in the NHL. And although he does have decent vision, I really don`t see an elite playmaker at the next level in his game, and again, something I want from a lottery pick center.
I just think at this point we are all getting a bit of tunnel vision when it comes to drafting a number one center, I`m just as sick of the Desharnais and Danaults playing on the first line as everyone else, but take the potential 40 goal scorer at 3, tank and draft a couple centers next year.

I still think the Kid has NHL potential, but not as team`s top pivot and certainly not with the pressure of being the Habs best center in 20 years.

I guess I don't agree on a number of levels regarding the package of skills he brings to the table. You should remember that in some of these clips, he's 15 or 16 years old. So, yeah, what you saw in that video ''wont transfer'' to the NHL. Because it's a 15 year old kid not named McDavid. Here's why I think Jesperi's offensive game will transfer.

First, he's able to pick corners with a variety of shots. He actually has a wider variety of shots than Zadina does. Zadina essentially has the one shot: classic wrist shot with weight transfer. Look at all of his goals this year, and they're almost all released off his outside foot, using body rotation to generate power. I can show you video of Jesperi beating pro goaltenders off his inside foot, and outside foot, and in terms of one timers, Jesperi actually has Zadina beat. Filip's one timer is actually pretty awful. It's more like he tries to surprise the goaltender than he blows it past him.

As for his passing game, in that video alone we see him deliver cross-ice saucer passes on the tape. I've seen him do this without looking across the seam of a pro defence. I actually rewound the tape to be sure of what I was seeing. Now, the recipient bobbled the pass, so it didn't make the highlight reel, but in case you're curious it was September 26th against IFK in the 3rd period.

And finally, as you say, he's a puck protection player. He's a beast against his age group, and capable of winning battles ahead of his age group. You can knock him down, and he can still win the puck battle. And if you have him completely cut off, with the flick of his wrist he can find an open player.

I agree he's not a future top 10 centerman. That sort of projection is, as of today, out of reach for him. However, the kind of centerman he is, you don't get the opportunity to draft every day. You either take your opportunities and get lucky, or you bitch and moan about having Danault and Byron playing center for you.
 
Interesting quote by Edwards explaining their Kravtsov ranking;
Kravtsov has ridiculous amount of skill. Going back to my answer about Boqvist, I wanted to talk to teams about their interviews with Kravtsov before I was willing to rank him as high as we did. I got great feedback and we ranked him way up there. I'm not predicting he goes that high but I can tell you based on some of my recent conversations with some scouts there is a lot of discussions about this player of late.
 
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Who did you want after Chytil went off the board? Kostin?

I was super pissed and just wanted to trade back at that point. Would have moved back into the 2nd and targeted Boqvist but if I were to make a selection, I believe Tolvanen was highest ranked left on my list. Just wasn't a C.
 
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I guess I don't agree on a number of levels regarding the package of skills he brings to the table. You should remember that in some of these clips, he's 15 or 16 years old. So, yeah, what you saw in that video ''wont transfer'' to the NHL. Because it's a 15 year old kid not named McDavid. Here's why I think Jesperi's offensive game will transfer.

First, he's able to pick corners with a variety of shots. He actually has a wider variety of shots than Zadina does. Zadina essentially has the one shot: classic wrist shot with weight transfer. Look at all of his goals this year, and they're almost all released off his outside foot, using body rotation to generate power. I can show you video of Jesperi beating pro goaltenders off his inside foot, and outside foot, and in terms of one timers, Jesperi actually has Zadina beat. Filip's one timer is actually pretty awful. It's more like he tries to surprise the goaltender than he blows it past him.

As for his passing game, in that video alone we see him deliver cross-ice saucer passes on the tape. I've seen him do this without looking across the seam of a pro defence. I actually rewound the tape to be sure of what I was seeing. Now, the recipient bobbled the pass, so it didn't make the highlight reel, but in case you're curious it was September 26th against IFK in the 3rd period.

And finally, as you say, he's a puck protection player. He's a beast against his age group, and capable of winning battles ahead of his age group. You can knock him down, and he can still win the puck battle. And if you have him completely cut off, with the flick of his wrist he can find an open player.

I agree he's not a future top 10 centerman. That sort of projection is, as of today, out of reach for him. However, the kind of centerman he is, you don't get the opportunity to draft every day. You either take your opportunities and get lucky, or you ***** and moan about having Danault and Byron playing center for you.


I do agree that he has a nice shot, I would like to see him work on a bit quicker of a release but his ability to get all kinds of shots off is impressive, and perhaps that`s one of the reasons I see him as more of a winger, there are very few shoot first centers in the NHL (perhaps Jeff Carter is bit of a comparable). And I`m not saying he will not be a useful player, I just feel that we are not getting our full value out of the 3OA pick. I would gladly trade Patches for a chance to pick Kotkaniemi I think Kotka and Drouin could be good on a line together. Truly wish we could trade 3rd this year for the 3rd next year.

If it was up to me I`d do everything in my power to move up 1 spot and grab svechnikov trade for as many 2019 1sts as possible and hope to grad a couple centers next year. At the end of the day I would not hate the Kotkaniemi pick, just feel there is a way to get more value out of it.
 
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I do agree that he has a nice shot, I would like to see him work on a bit quicker of a release but his ability to get all kinds of shots off is impressive, and perhaps that`s one of the reasons I see him as more of a winger, there are very few shoot first centers in the NHL (perhaps Jeff Carter is bit of a comparable). And I`m not saying he will not be a useful player, I just feel that we are not getting our full value out of the 3OA pick. I would gladly trade Patches for a chance to pick Kotkaniemi I think Kotka and Drouin could be good on a line together. Truly wish we could trade 3rd this year for the 3rd next year.

If it was up to me I`d do everything in my power to move up 1 spot and grab svechnikov trade for as many 2019 1sts as possible and hope to grad a couple centers next year. At the end of the day I would not hate the Kotkaniemi pick, just feel there is a way to get more value out of it.

I think this is the correct strategy no matter who we end up drafting. Let's say we take Kotkaniemi, and my wildest dreams come true. Sorry, but one top center doesn't win you a cup. 2019 is a great year to look for one. You've got Hughes, Turcotte, Newhook, Dach, and Lavoie and that's just to start. You don't have to win the lottery next year to solve our problem.

However, we still need two, IMO, even if we end up with Hughes. Just in our division we're up against Matthews and Kadri as a 1-2 punch, Eichel and ROR, Barkov and Trochek, Stamkos and Point, Bergeron and Krejci. Even if you draft Hughes, given who we have to support him, we're overmatched.
 
I think this is the correct strategy no matter who we end up drafting. Let's say we take Kotkaniemi, and my wildest dreams come true. Sorry, but one top center doesn't win you a cup. 2019 is a great year to look for one. You've got Hughes, Turcotte, Newhook, Dach, and Lavoie and that's just to start. You don't have to win the lottery next year to solve our problem.

However, we still need two, IMO, even if we end up with Hughes. Just in our division we're up against Matthews and Kadri as a 1-2 punch, Eichel and ROR, Barkov and Trochek, Stamkos and Point, Bergeron and Krejci. Even if you draft Hughes, given who we have to support him, we're overmatched.

My thoughts as well.

What's sad is that this is true pretty much top to bottom in the organisation. Meaning, we'll soon be needing defensemen as well. Sergachev would look nice in the depth chart right now.
 
My thoughts as well.

What's sad is that this is true pretty much top to bottom in the organisation. Meaning, we'll soon be needing defensemen as well. Sergachev would look nice in the depth chart right now.

Pretty much everywhere except for G and RD. W is fine (good, even) at the NHL level but in the minors? andersonsilvacringe.jpg.
 
I think this is the correct strategy no matter who we end up drafting. Let's say we take Kotkaniemi, and my wildest dreams come true. Sorry, but one top center doesn't win you a cup. 2019 is a great year to look for one. You've got Hughes, Turcotte, Newhook, Dach, and Lavoie and that's just to start. You don't have to win the lottery next year to solve our problem.

However, we still need two, IMO, even if we end up with Hughes. Just in our division we're up against Matthews and Kadri as a 1-2 punch, Eichel and ROR, Barkov and Trochek, Stamkos and Point, Bergeron and Krejci. Even if you draft Hughes, given who we have to support him, we're overmatched.

You are not wrong, but that`s why I wanted to try for 2 centers next year I think all those guys will be better than Kotka, but there is also our Dcore that sucks pretty hardcore.... Personally I think Zadina is better asset than Kotka right now, even Dobson so that is why I take them at 3, I don`t believe in drafting needs I always want the BPA unless two players are scouted as equal then I will draft for the position of need, I simply think Kotka at 3 is just too much of a risk/reach to make it worth it. I still like the player and would love for him to be a hab, I just don`t see him as a top 20 center in the league and I don`t think he is the 3rd best player in this draft.

God Bergevin has screwed this team... :ha: Full rebuild is in order, I believe that now more than ever.
 
However, we still need two, IMO, even if we end up with Hughes. Just in our division we're up against Matthews and Kadri as a 1-2 punch, Eichel and ROR, Barkov and Trochek, Stamkos and Point, Bergeron and Krejci. Even if you draft Hughes, given who we have to support him, we're overmatched.

So is it fruitless? Should they just hope for capable centres and draft excellent defenders to try and beat teams with D and a great goalie? Because it seems they could never match up at centre, at least with the likes of TO and Buffalo.
 
You are not wrong, but that`s why I wanted to try for 2 centers next year I think all those guys will be better than Kotka, but there is also our Dcore that sucks pretty hardcore.... Personally I think Zadina is better asset than Kotka right now, even Dobson so that is why I take them at 3, I don`t believe in drafting needs I always want the BPA unless two players are scouted as equal then I will draft for the position of need, I simply think Kotka at 3 is just too much of a risk/reach to make it worth it. I still like the player and would love for him to be a hab, I just don`t see him as a top 20 center in the league and I don`t think he is the 3rd best player in this draft.

God Bergevin has screwed this team... :ha: Full rebuild is in order, I believe that now more than ever.

I personally don't see Zadina as having totally separated himself from the pack asset-value wise. We'll have to just agree to disagree, which is fine. We'll see who has the better of it soon enough. I think very soon, actually.

I think Zadina ends up a 30-30 winger. That's great, but it's nothing we haven't had before, and ultimately been disappointed with. The winger who I think can make us regret taking Kotkaniemi or a dman is Wahlstrom.

So is it fruitless? Should they just hope for capable centres and draft excellent defenders to try and beat teams with D and a great goalie? Because it seems they could never match up at centre, at least with the likes of TO and Buffalo.

We need to be able to fight back at the center position, and I think that's about all we can hope for. Right now we're just getting crushed. Don't even have a puncher's chance.
 
Kotkaneimi was the 1st line center when Finland won this spring not Kupari, this fact shouldn't be overlooked IMHO!!!...:devdance::devdance::devdance: Then of course Team Canada's centers all were good, just not 1st line capable. Dellandrea certainly resembled Giroux(Flyers), is he capable of becoming a 1st line center or a very good 2nd line center? Tychonick was a treat to watch as were Foudy, Merkley, Veleno and many others IMHO, glad the Habs have 4 - 2nd's in this draft. Nice to see Lars Eller score a SC winning goal, the Habs other members of the EGG line must be thrilled for Lars. Go Lars Go happy for both him & Devante Smith-Pelly.:walrus::walrus::walrus:
 
I personally don't see Zadina as having totally separated himself from the pack asset-value wise. We'll have to just agree to disagree, which is fine. We'll see who has the better of it soon enough. I think very soon, actually.

I think Zadina ends up a 30-30 winger. That's great, but it's nothing we haven't had before, and ultimately been disappointed with. The winger who I think can make us regret taking Kotkaniemi or a dman is Wahlstrom.



We need to be able to fight back at the center position, and I think that's about all we can hope for. Right now we're just getting crushed. Don't even have a puncher's chance.


I do agree that we are getting killed down the middle, but our downfall last year was abysmal D and a non existent transition game (and Jordie Benn/Karl Alzner spotting the opposing team at least 1-2 goals every game for 82 long ass games) we need to convert what little assets we have into future assets because by the time our centers are ready to compete, our Dcore will be in wheelchairs. If Habs don`t manage to address both problems at once, it will be a 10 year rebuild and not 3-4 year rebuild. I am putting alot of emphasis on this year`s second round it could make or break the next 5 years for the Habs, if we walk out 2-3 NHL players (maby an offensive LD and a second line center) it expedites the process if we end up with 4 busts.... well.. we`ve wasted any capitol this team has over the next few years.
 
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As much as we need a number one center, I just don`t see it in this guy, he is big and has talent, but most of how he creates offense will not translate to the NHL level, I see second line winger written all over him. Take Zadina, tank and hope for one of the 6-7 elite centers from next year`s class.

He’s one of the youngest players in the draft. I agree we should take Zadina but a top 10 pick who’s a center is no slouch. Where would he be if he was older? I want a second top 10 pick for Patches to grab him.
 
He’s one of the youngest players in the draft. I agree we should take Zadina but a top 10 pick who’s a center is no slouch. Where would he be if he was older? I want a second top 10 pick for Patches to grab him.

If you read my other posts that`s exactly what I`ve been saying. I re-took the will not translate to has work to do... needs to get much faster if we wants to continue that style of play against first pairing D in the NHL. I like the kid, just don`t see 1st line potential and don`t think he`s the 3rd best prospect in the draft.
 
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Kotkaneimi was the 1st line center when Finland won this spring not Kupari, this fact shouldn't be overlooked IMHO!!!...:devdance::devdance::devdance: Then of course Team Canada's centers all were good, just not 1st line capable. Dellandrea certainly resembled Giroux(Flyers), is he capable of becoming a 1st line center or a very good 2nd line center? Tychonick was a treat to watch as were Foudy, Merkley, Veleno and many others IMHO, glad the Habs have 4 - 2nd's in this draft. Nice to see Lars Eller score a SC winning goal, the Habs other members of the EGG line must be thrilled for Lars. Go Lars Go happy for both him & Devante Smith-Pelly.:walrus::walrus::walrus:

I liked Tychonick and Foudy at the U18s. Foudy I see as basically a guaranteed NHLer. He's futuristically fast, and not stupid (so he avoids the Beaulieu-itis). Tychonick was better than Smith at the U18s.
 
If you read my other posts that`s exactly what I`ve been saying. I re-took the will not translate to has work to do... needs to get much faster if we wants to continue that style of play against first pairing D in the NHL. I like the kid, just don`t see 1st line potential and don`t think he`s the 3rd best prospect in the draft.

He does need to get faster. In Liiga I've seen him have a clear gap to either get out of his zone, or gain the opponents zone, and have to peel back because he just wasn't going to win the race. I think he can do it though.
 
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